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Buzzfeed: Anti-Abortion Republicans Are Largely Quiet As Israel Adopts Liberal Abortion Law
Buzzfeed ^ | January 8th, 2014 | Kate Nocera

Posted on 01/08/2014 8:35:21 PM PST by MadIsh32

WASHINGTON — Israel adopted this week one of the most liberal abortion laws in the world, and will now provide government funding for non-medical abortions for Israeli women aged 20 to 33.

But Washington’s most anti-abortion lawmakers are largely silent on the new policy. These same members of Congress are also some of Israel’s loudest defenders, highlighting a peculiar aspect of the relationship between many of Israel’s ardent U.S. supporters and Israel’s domestic political landscape.

Last month, a health ministry panel in Israel recommended the state pay for the abortions of women aged 20 to 33, including non-medical abortions. The measure was adopted this week, and will cost the state annually about $4.6 million. Unlike in the United States, abortion is relatively non-controversial in the country.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
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Interesting how this had little controversy in Israel
1 posted on 01/08/2014 8:35:22 PM PST by MadIsh32
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To: MadIsh32

Nothing good can come from this.


2 posted on 01/08/2014 8:36:45 PM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: Jane Long

bump


3 posted on 01/08/2014 8:38:55 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: MadIsh32
Little controversy? Depends on what source you read. Just because Buzzfeed wants to repress the abortion controversy in Israel does not make it nonexistent.
4 posted on 01/08/2014 8:41:47 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Jane Long
Nothing good can come from this.

Judith 5:21-22 "All went well with them [Israel], so long as no sin of theirs offended his eye, the God that is an enemy to all wrong. But there was a time, these many years back, when they forsook the old paths God had given them to follow; then, in battle after battle, nation after nation defeated them, and a multitude of them were borne away as captives into an alien land; "

5 posted on 01/08/2014 8:45:02 PM PST by frogjerk (We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates)
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To: Olog-hai

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israels-abortion-law-now-among-worlds-most-liberal/

You sure? Sounds like Bibi had no problem with it


6 posted on 01/08/2014 8:46:22 PM PST by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: MadIsh32

Like I said, depends on the source. Times of Israel is like the NY Times; they and Haaretz are the more prominent left-leaning media in Israel.


7 posted on 01/08/2014 8:49:38 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: MadIsh32

Classic Alinskyish attack.


8 posted on 01/08/2014 8:53:29 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: MadIsh32

This event has caused me to rethink whether Israel is the Divine biblical restoration of the dispersed Nation of Israel or just another wart on the socialist backside of Mother Nature.

Clearly they have turned their back on the God of their Fathers.


9 posted on 01/08/2014 8:57:54 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: P-Marlowe
The Jews have to be there, per Zechariah 14 and many other prophecies, before the “time of trouble” mentioned in Daniel and the “day of the LORD” in the minor prophets (in Revelation as well). The restoration of the lost tribes is a Messianic charge to be handled by the Messiah Himself. So yes, the Jews being there is prophesied, as is yet another liberal falling away.
10 posted on 01/08/2014 9:01:33 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

The Jews are gleefully aborting their race out of existence. If the Lord does not return quickly, there will be no more Jews in Israel. The Muslims are breeding like rats inside Israel and the Jews are busily aborting their posterity and paying for it with tax dollars.


11 posted on 01/08/2014 9:09:59 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: P-Marlowe

Our Tax Dollars.


12 posted on 01/08/2014 9:14:40 PM PST by ebshumidors
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To: P-Marlowe

The same could be said of any pro-abortion country; no way are Jews unique in this. There are still the anti-abortionists in each country this occurs in, remember; it’s the liberal left that feels “glee” at this abomination, and all nations that do this will be punished alike.


13 posted on 01/08/2014 9:15:53 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: MadIsh32

I would guess the ultra-Orthodox are not protesting because they don’t abort, and this will only hasten secular Israel’s demographic demise.


14 posted on 01/08/2014 9:29:09 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: MadIsh32

I thought they already had a liberal abortion law?


16 posted on 01/08/2014 9:47:56 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: MadIsh32

I also think it’s stupid for Israel. But it’s good for the Palestinians.


17 posted on 01/08/2014 9:49:00 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Viennacon
Most protests don’t get covered by the media anyhow.

There are many chief rabbis that condemn abortion openly notwithstanding.
18 posted on 01/08/2014 10:01:46 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Yehuda
ebshumidors wrote: “Our Tax Dollars.”

Horseshit.

Whatever money Israel gets in U.S. foreign aid (a) PALES against what the U.S. is giving to muslims

Regardless of how much tax money is given to other nations, our tax money is given to Israel, so pointing out that others are on the tit isn't a refutation of the point being made. Money is fungible. More U.S. tax dollars free Israeli tax dollars for other purposes.

End the overseas welfare.

American taxpayers shouldn't be compelled to carry the interest expense into perpetuity for money borrowed from abroad to be given away abroad.

If people want their money to go to Israel, send them your money. If you want your tax dollars to go to Israel, move to Israel and let them tax you.

19 posted on 01/08/2014 10:12:52 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: MadIsh32

There is lots of opposition to this in Israel. But, your news source did not choose to inform you of this.
It also appears that the new abortion policy there violates Jewish law, which begins with a strong anti-abortion stance and then allows exceptions but on a limited basis. For more information on Jewish abortion law, you may wish to quickly review: http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48954946.html (”in general, abortion is permitted only if there is a direct threat to the mother...”).

Of course, not all Catholics follow the Church’s pro-life teachings, either...

Many Republicans in USA do not speak up against abortion in America. Why should they talk against abortion overseas?

The problem is far larger than described in your news article. The problem is in peoples’ hearts...
Somehow many people recognize the wonder and beauty of their own lives, but not the wonder and beauty of a little baby’s (or anybody else’s) life.

Pray that these stone- hearted people may find true Love (God, faith) and not just love of themselves.


20 posted on 01/08/2014 10:18:38 PM PST by faithhopecharity (no)
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To: P-Marlowe

>> The Jews are gleefully aborting their race out of existence.

The primary reason for voting Democrat.


21 posted on 01/08/2014 10:22:53 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: MadIsh32

Maybe we should get the log out of our own country’s eye first?

Duh.


22 posted on 01/08/2014 10:39:13 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: MadIsh32

fta.... But Washington’s most anti-abortion lawmakers are largely silent on the new policy.
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Hey, Buzzfeed Kate... It’s Israel, where they are free to make their own laws.

Most Americans do not like the UN or other countries telling us what we should or should not do. Same holds true for the US States not wanting the federal government butting into their laws. So why do you idiots at Buzzfeed think our federal government should become involved in a law democratically passed in another country???


23 posted on 01/09/2014 12:59:54 AM PST by octex
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To: MadIsh32

How ironic. The Israeli government comes up with a scheme to eradicate more Jews than even the most radical Palestinian terrorists could dream of.


24 posted on 01/09/2014 4:08:55 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: octex
So why do you idiots at Buzzfeed think our federal government should become involved in a law democratically passed in another country?

Because our Federal government provides billions of dollars in our taxpayer money to Israel -- ostensibly to help it protect itself from military threats. What's the purpose of sending aid to protect a country like that, if its own government is hell-bent on implementing a policy that will probably kill more Israelis in a few weeks than terrorist attacks related to the Palestinian intifada have killed in several decades?

25 posted on 01/09/2014 4:13:24 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Yehuda
PLease feel free to point us to your and the other guys complaints here about U.S. foreign aid to countries other than Israel.

You won't find me in support of foreign aid in any threads. It is preposterous policy to borrow money, and put permanent interest payments on the backs of the American taxpayer to fund any other nation.

(Which I think should end asap to both sides so Israel can clean house already).

Why does that need to happen in order for Israel to 'clean house'?

Until then, kindly buzz off.

That's what I wish the Israeli and other vampires would do for the American taxpayer.

27 posted on 01/11/2014 7:16:28 AM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Yehuda
I didn’t suggest you SUPPORT foreign aid. PAY ATTENTION: I wrote WHERE ARE YOUR COMMENTS AGAINST U.S. FOREIGN AID WHERE THE RECIPIENT ISN’T ISRAEL?

In my experience preponderance of capital letters has an inverse relationship to the merit of what is being written. If you care to read through my 10+ years of posts on this board you'll find me criticizing foreign aid link.

Just because I don't share your Israel fetish doesn't mean I'm not against, and haven't written on this forum against, welfare payments from this nation (which we must borrow and carry the expense of into perpetuity) to any other nation. I take General Washington's hard earned wisdom in international affairs to heart.

Perhaps you were under age / not born/ not paying attention / rooting for the wrong side in past Israeli wars, where the IDF nearly exterminated their enemies’ militaries / destroyed their capitals, when the U.S. held Israel back / stopped them.

How did the U.S. hold Israel back? If Israel was truly on the verge of eliminating its enemies, why listen to the U.S.? Why would they need our welfare payments if they eschewed them in favor of destroying their enemies? Perhaps you exaggerate?

29 posted on 01/13/2014 10:11:29 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Yehuda
As for how the US dictated to Israel suggest you read history of the 67 and 73 war.

You're ducking the question. How did the U.S. hold Israel back? If Israel was truly on the verge of eliminating its enemies, why listen to the U.S.? Why would they need our welfare payments if they eschewed them in favor of destroying their enemies?

Perhaps u prefer Israel b more like the rest of the Middle East rather than the reverse.

I don't care about Israel. Certainly no more than I care about Laos or Lesotho. I do observe demographics and birth rate and wonder how there will be a 'Jewish state' in the same territory if trends continue. But that has nothing to do with my indifference to foreign nations, and my desire to end their welfare payments that we can't afford and must borrow to fund.

31 posted on 01/15/2014 5:17:21 AM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: MadIsh32
I thought they already had the most liberal abortion laws???

Do you suppose leftist harpies will now support Israel against the MB and the PLO? Or will they, like the "gays," continue to support the people who wouldn't put up with their foolishness because they are their fellow "oppressed?"

Unfortunately, outside of the Orthodox, abortion and "gay rights" are non-controversial in Israel. No one else thinks a thing about it. As Rabbi Yehuda Levin has often observed, "Is it any wonder that the sword has been unleashed on our Holy Land?"

32 posted on 01/15/2014 5:22:25 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: P-Marlowe
This event has caused me to rethink whether Israel is the Divine biblical restoration of the dispersed Nation of Israel or just another wart on the socialist backside of Mother Nature.

The ingathering most certainly has Divine biblical significance, but the state founded in 1948 is not and never was the prophesied Third Commonwealth. Fundamentalist Protestants have interpreted it as such because the real Restoration will not fit their chrstian beliefs.

Clearly they have turned their back on the God of their Fathers.

The Zionist movement was founded as just one more nineteenth century secular European nationalist movement, no different from the Italian risorgimento, the Fenian movement, or the Armenian Dashnaks. Most of the new settlers were not religious. However, there is now a large Orthodox community there with numerous yeshivot.

There is no doubt that much good has come from Jews once again having a state in the Holy Land. But this state is still not the restoration prophesied in the Bible.

33 posted on 01/15/2014 5:30:37 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Viennacon
I would guess the ultra-Orthodox are not protesting because they don’t abort, and this will only hasten secular Israel’s demographic demise.

The "ultra-Orthodox" do protest. Secular Jews are still, after all, Jews. And halakhah is halakhah.

34 posted on 01/15/2014 5:33:14 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: ebshumidors
Hmmm. Don't tell me . . . "The Political Cesspool . . . "

Right?

35 posted on 01/15/2014 5:34:49 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: MadIsh32

Killing babies is wrong. We also have a lot of work to do in our own country to end abortion.


36 posted on 01/15/2014 5:36:28 AM PST by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: MadIsh32
Sounds like Bibi had no problem with it

Bib isn't the restored Melekh Yisra'el; neither is he the Kohen Gadol. In fact, he isn't even an observant Jew.

I think the only observant Jews who have been PM of Israel are Begin and Shamir.

37 posted on 01/15/2014 5:37:05 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Gunslingr3
Regardless of how much tax money is given to other nations, our tax money is given to Israel, so pointing out that others are on the tit isn't a refutation of the point being made.

Given the fact that our tax dollars are given to all these other nations, exactly what is it about tax dollars given to Israel that makes it so uniquely onorous?

38 posted on 01/15/2014 5:40:16 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: faithhopecharity
It also appears that the new abortion policy there violates Jewish law

The old abortion policy also violated Jewish law, even with the Jewish position on abortion being different from the Catholic one.

39 posted on 01/15/2014 5:41:51 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Gunslingr3
I don't care about Israel.

Oh, an atheist.

Shouldn't you be on a Communist forum somewhere?

40 posted on 01/15/2014 5:46:02 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Yehuda; Gunslingr3; ebshumidors
You're wasting your time, Yehuda. You and I both know that if the US cut off aid to Israel and kept it to every other nation that's getting it, these jokers would never utter a complaint.

Man! What kind of mind hates the Jews so much that it even resents helping them to exterminate themselves (G-d forbid!)?

41 posted on 01/15/2014 5:54:06 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Given the fact that our tax dollars are given to all these other nations, exactly what is it about tax dollars given to Israel that makes it so uniquely onorous?

Strawman.

No one said it was uniquely onerous.

They are ALL onerous, and should ALL be cut off. I've been clear and consistent on that, so please cease muddying the waters with made up arguments.

42 posted on 01/15/2014 6:48:46 AM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I don't care about Israel.

Oh, an atheist.

Tacit admission that the support of Israel is a religious cause? If that is indeed the case you have supplied an additional reason that the U.S. government should not be borrowing on the credit of the U.S. taxpayer to funnel money into Israel.

Shouldn't you be on a Communist forum somewhere?

I'm interested in a Free Republic, not a communist or theocratic government.

I don't think that American Buddhists, Hindus, muslims, Catholics, or even voodoo priests should be taxed to support a foreign government, of any stripe.

If you want so dearly to give money to Israel, send them your money. If you want to pay taxes to Israel, move there and pay taxes.

There is no just argument for taxing Americans to fund the governments of other nations, regardless of your affinity for them.

43 posted on 01/15/2014 6:57:49 AM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Zionist Conspirator
You and I both know that if the US cut off aid to Israel and kept it to every other nation that's getting it, these jokers would never utter a complaint.

But you're wrong, and I've already provided evidence to the contrary.

Man! What kind of mind hates the Jews so much that it even resents helping them to exterminate themselves (G-d forbid!)?

I have no hatred of Jews, or foreigners of any nation. I simply don't think they have a right to tax Americans, and that's what 'foreign aid' is - taxes placed on Americans to fund foreign governments.

I have no vote in the representation of the Knesset, why should they have my tax dollars? We fought a revolution over this principle once. You appear to forgotten, or never learned.

44 posted on 01/15/2014 7:02:03 AM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: MadIsh32
This is something that never made sense to me.

Many Evangelical Christians give their unconditional support to Israel, in spite of the fact that Israeli government supports social policies that they oppose here in the US (homosexual "marriage", abortion, a welfare state).

Meanwhile, they condemn Muslim societies as backward, barbaric, and Medieval, even though the social policies and views of those Muslim nations on those social issues are probably much close to Evangelicals than those in Israel.

Similarly, leftists who advocate abortion and homosexuality spew their venom at "red state Americans" for opposing these things, oppose Israel in spite of its liberal policies, and support Muslim nations who actually put people to death for abortion and homosexuality (I guess Phil Robertson bad-mouthing gays is so much worse than some Imam ordering their decapitation).

45 posted on 01/15/2014 7:51:55 AM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: Gunslingr3
Strawman.

No it's not.

No one said it was uniquely onerous.

I notice no one ever complains about the foreign aid to any other country than Israel. Indeed, the other countries are only mentioned in the context of condemning aid to Israel, to provide a phony cover of "consistency."

They are ALL onerous, and should ALL be cut off. I've been clear and consistent on that, so please cease muddying the waters with made up arguments.

Let's see you mention your opposition to foreign aid (which I am also against btw) someplace than a thread on Israel.

46 posted on 01/15/2014 10:47:06 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Gunslingr3
Tacit admission that the support of Israel is a religious cause?

You say that as if it's a bad thing.

If that is indeed the case you have supplied an additional reason that the U.S. government should not be borrowing on the credit of the U.S. taxpayer to funnel money into Israel.

So, are you also against blue laws, anti-vice laws, sin taxes, and laws against abortion and sodomy? Those laws are, after all, ultimately "theocratic." As are the laws against murder and theft, for that matter.

You do realize, I hope, that unless laws and standards come from G-d they have no objective existence whatsoever? Without G-d, what are all our laws and customs but constructs of the human mind? Hmmm?

47 posted on 01/15/2014 10:52:33 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Gunslingr3
But you're wrong, and I've already provided evidence to the contrary.

You've provided no evidence whatsoever. The only thing you have provided are your claims of consistency, of which I have seen no proof whatsoever.

I have no vote in the representation of the Knesset, why should they have my tax dollars? We fought a revolution over this principle once. You appear to forgotten, or never learned.

So Israel is Our Most Ancient Foe of All! All True Americans must take up arms against the arch-villainous Israelis who are tyrannizing us (doubtless through "international banking") just as the British once did! Shoot, I bet you think George III was only following the orders of the Rothschilds!

This thread never had anything to do with foreign aid. It is about Israel's unfortunately very liberal and anti-Halakhic domestic social policies. Why would a Proud Rationalist like yourself come onto a thread bashing Israel for violations of Theocratic laws and start squawking about "foreign aid," other than to form an ideological and rhetorical "pincer movement?"

I smell the stench of Willis Carto about you. Kindly find a forum for The Truth Seeker and leave us Bible-thumpers alone.

48 posted on 01/15/2014 11:01:12 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Gunslingr3
There is no just argument for taxing Americans to fund the governments of other nations, regardless of your affinity for them.

Agree. There is absolutely nothing in the US Constitution to authorize the transfer of funds from the US treasury to that of any foreign country.

As to why aid to Israel gets the most attention, there's a simple answer for that: Israel receives more foreign aid than any other country. However, I was equally opposed to the billions that we gave to corrupt African governments as alleged humanitarian/medical aid (by "compassionate conservative" George W. Bush, no less), and to Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

49 posted on 01/15/2014 11:24:53 AM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: Yehuda
There is no just argument for taxing Americans to fund the governments of other nations, regardless of your affinity for them.

When the US was dumping billions in aid to Sub-Saharan African countries (thereby helping to prop up governments like the ANC in South Africa), there was plenty of opposition to it from libertarians and conservatives. It's one of the many reasons I gag when people on both sides of the aisle call George W. Bush a "conservative."

50 posted on 01/15/2014 11:36:57 AM PST by ek_hornbeck
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