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Outbreak of ‘nightmare bacteria’ in Illinois stirs worry
Wall Street Journal ^ | Jan. 7, 2014 7:29 p.m. ET | Caroline Porter

Posted on 01/08/2014 11:11:33 PM PST by Olog-hai

The largest outbreak to date of one strain of what authorities have called “nightmare bacteria” is adding to concerns about the spread of such drug-resistant bugs.

The outbreak, centered on a hospital in a Chicago suburb, has infected 44 people in Illinois over the past year, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said. The bug, known as carbapenem-resistant enterobacteriaceae, bears a rare enzyme that breaks down antibiotics.

“This is a huge cluster,” said Alex Kallen, a medical officer with the CDC and supervisor for the Illinois outbreak investigation, noting that only 97 cases of the infection have been reported to the agency since 2009. The superbug, which typically lives in the intestines and is part of a large family of bacteria, can be spread via fecal matter. It isn’t typically transmitted by casual contact outside hospitals. …

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KEYWORDS: chicago; nightmarebacteria; pestilence; superbug
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1 posted on 01/08/2014 11:11:34 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Does the article say what hospital it is? I don’t have a subscription to the WSJ. (I live in the Chicago suburbs.)


2 posted on 01/08/2014 11:14:02 PM PST by BlessedBeGod (Democrats are Cruz'n for a Bruisin' in 2016. / Obama=Unspeakable Audacity)
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To: BlessedBeGod

It’s the Advocate Lutheran General in Park Ridge.


3 posted on 01/08/2014 11:14:55 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Outbreak of ‘nightmare bacteria’ in Illinois stirs worry

Sounds like gun control.

The superbug, which typically lives in the intestines and is part of a large family of bacteria, can be spread via fecal matter.

Yep. Definitely Democrats and their gun control legislation.

Sorry. It's a serious thread. But I couldn't resist.

4 posted on 01/08/2014 11:19:01 PM PST by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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To: Olog-hai

It’s the Rham Emanuel virus.


5 posted on 01/08/2014 11:20:10 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Olog-hai

PBS Frontline had a very scary episode about this type of bacteria:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/hunting-the-nightmare-bacteria/


6 posted on 01/08/2014 11:26:35 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Olog-hai

Bottom line.....

If there is any way you can, stay away from hospitals.

Factor in low paid custodial staff, millions of new Medicaid patients, millions of foreign born immigrants, and it might be much safer to die at home.


7 posted on 01/08/2014 11:34:38 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: Olog-hai

Can’t say much good about a newspaper which has a “ killer bacteria outbreak” news story and then hides it behind a damned pay wall. Presumably this gross slap in the face of concerned / worried Americans is just more of the “rich greedy pig one percent elite’s “ contempt for the good downtrodden poor people who, through kapitalist exploitation are impoverished, oppressed and victimized on a daily basis and cannot afford a WSJ subscription. “Let them eat cake” is now “ let them die from the killer bacteria we won’t tell them about”. At least, at the WSJournal. ???? Or?


8 posted on 01/08/2014 11:46:41 PM PST by faithhopecharity (no)
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To: zeestephen

I can imagine Joseph Lister’s reaction to today’s hospitals. He would shudder at the near-100 percent reversal on his antiseptic techniques.


9 posted on 01/09/2014 12:00:26 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
The superbug, which typically lives in the intestines and is part of a large family of bacteria, can be spread via fecal matter.

Sounds like something of great concern to our "gay" friends.

10 posted on 01/09/2014 12:26:59 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (If you liked the website, you'll LOVE the healthcare!)
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To: DakotaGator

Spread by “fecal matter?” How could that happen? Does it involve sodomy, by some chance?


11 posted on 01/09/2014 12:44:45 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Olog-hai
The outbreak, centered on a hospital in a Chicago suburb, has...

Ah. More goodness from the Chicago area. The gift that keeps on giving, I guess, eh?

12 posted on 01/09/2014 1:09:48 AM PST by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: faithhopecharity

Every “killer bacteria” story goes like “44 people died in a year”. Okay, well so it got 44 in a year. Let me know when one gets 44 million in 6 months. Then I will start worrying.


13 posted on 01/09/2014 1:11:11 AM PST by FreedomStar3028 (Evil must be punished.)
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To: DakotaGator

The gun hatred (I wouldn’t call it mere fear) are only a proxy for a raging dread of God.

But nobody needs to dread God any more, because... well, Isaiah 53 spells it out. It’s the original Christian faith before Christendom let its mission vision get diluted to making society nice but keeping the unique work of the Cross politely hidden because all of a sudden things get very inconvenient when that’s brought up. Rolling sin backward gets Satan roaring in your face. He keeps losing, but our pride does not like it when we temporarily lose nerve while it’s happening.

All in my humble/honest opinion of course, but check it out and see if it’s true.

Anyhow, back to these germs. MY READ on the work of God is that there are going to be challenges, but nothing is going to fundamentally knock the healing arts powerless, though Satan is going to try very hard. They are a symbol of God’s mercy. Other technologies will come down the pipeline to meet these destructive bacteria. But we need to take these mini-plagues as warnings, because if our home is not in heaven, we are going to be trembling in our boots every single time we hear about them.


14 posted on 01/09/2014 1:23:07 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: faithhopecharity; neverdem
Ditto negative on this subscription-only source.

I have a son who lives in Lisle, about 20 miles from the city. He has an infection almost impossible to conquer, and I spent a month and a half this fall trying to help him with getting his house cleaned up from filth deposited by flooding last spring.

God knows what kind of disease was in that dirt deposited. He had been in the hospital twice over this infection, and unable to work or do for himself this summer.

Where can I find more on this, a clinical-type report/discussion?

Thanks anybody.

15 posted on 01/09/2014 1:23:08 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1

I’d recommend your friend look in a different direction, to God. God is master over everything that happens in the world. He knows where every last atom is. Evils come to warn us of our need. I pray the Lord that your friend might have this infection purged from his body, but I hope he notes there is an infection of the soul called sin which needs a cure, and its quarantine area is called this mortal coil.


16 posted on 01/09/2014 1:31:24 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Cowboy Bob; neverdem
Spread by “fecal matter?” How could that happen? Does it involve sodomy, by some chance?

Not mysterious. The area is flat. Someone with a bulldozer and time on their hands with no engineering direction can seriously shift the 100-year flood line in this plain.

This spring, the areas in which my sons live (Lisle, Bolingbrook)had heavy flooding this spring. My son's cellar was filled almost to the first floor, and spoiled about $30,000 of servers and other equipment and records. And his well is situated under an addition to the house. A real mess.

The fecal matter swept from anywhere on the flood plain surface just gets redistributed everywhere by the hydraulics of the flooding, and deposited with the filth settling out when the water recedes. It contaminates everything.

I am so concerned for my son, and his home. This has nothing to do with your suapicions (which is a quite separate issue).

17 posted on 01/09/2014 1:44:49 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Cowboy Bob
More likely spread by having to treat and clean-up after patients with diarrhea. Easy to get contaminated from dirty, wet bed linens and gowns.

In addition, there are amazing statistics on the percentages of men and women who don't wash their hands adequately after using the bathroom (or don't wash them at all). The percentages are developed by examining the test subject's hands (via swabbing, I believe) for minute particles of fecal matter.

18 posted on 01/09/2014 1:52:21 AM PST by Captain Rhino (Determined effort today forges tomorrow)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I appreciate your concern, but this is not a spiritual issue. Both my sons arewell-established in their walk with the Lord. Both of them served five years with the Institute in Basic Life Principles (Bill Gothard) and coud give a few pastors hints on Christian conduct.

The problem here at this point is the effect this last year of flooding in the area described, I think. And the hospitals serving infected persons can concentrate the infection, and become infecting "Typhoid Annies" if great care of hygeine is not uniformly maintained at these sites.

I know your thoughts are well-intentioned, but in this issue are at least probably peripheral, if not perhaps misplaced. The basic overriding issue is one of sanitation and disease control, however much guided by intents of doing good through spiritual counseling.

20 posted on 01/09/2014 2:02:11 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: redshawk

This is a serious health issue that could happen anywhere, and these jibes are not funny, actually. Your comment, and that of others in this vein in this thread, sound at least dim-witted, if not totally disregarding the gravity of this matter. IMO


21 posted on 01/09/2014 2:07:23 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1

I have a few bones to pick with IBLP’s philosophy, having seen it and talked with people who have seen what chaos happens when unbalanced Christians get hold of it. I’d like to see an Institute of/for Basic Gospel Principles to be raised up. It would outline how grace and maturing righteousness works, and law would have a minor (and mainly illustrative) role.

I am sorry in turn to hear that you and yours really have your mind anchored in this world. Because as long as you do, you won’t even get a lot in this world.


22 posted on 01/09/2014 2:07:37 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: FreedomStar3028
Every “killer bacteria” story goes like “44 people died in a year”. Okay, well so it got 44 in a year. Let me know when one gets 44 million in 6 months. Then I will start worrying.

Until it's your son or your daughter or grandchildren that are involved, eh? Then it won't be funny, and you will not appreciate sarcasm.

23 posted on 01/09/2014 2:12:08 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1

And if they continue not looking past this world, they won’t appreciate ANYTHING that God brings to the picture.

As C. S. Lewis put it, aim for heaven and by virtue of Christ, get it and also get earth “thrown in.” Aim for earth and get neither. Worship is not “a bunch of rules.” It’s an attitude and it has a frankly supernatural subject. Catch the world up in God and get blessed. Catch the world up in more world and end up chasing your tail vainly.


24 posted on 01/09/2014 2:15:04 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: imardmd1

I assert that there is a “count your blessings” lesson to be learned here. And sometimes the blessings need to be endangered temporarily before we see them on a grander scale.

Nobody says don’t pursue these issues through means given by God, but always always always present the entire pursuit to God by way of worship. It matters. I can vouch for that in spades.


25 posted on 01/09/2014 2:17:26 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Lmo56

Thank you so much for providing this link. It’s long, and I watched the first part. I’m hoping they will have found a treatment. I’ve just paused to thank you and ponder on it.


26 posted on 01/09/2014 2:38:04 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Cowboy Bob

This country enjoyed a dirth of third world diseases for decades. This stopped when our government began to allow more and more illegals into this country. Besides the obvious social and fiscal problems they bring, they also bring diseases, bacteria, viruses, etc. that weren’t here or that had been eradicated.

There is a reason why we once required applicants for entry into the US for residency to have a health and background check.

We are paying the price now for Democrats to add 20 million more voters to its rolls.


27 posted on 01/09/2014 3:00:23 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

I DO feel bad for those who have contacted the disease. I also wish them a speedy recovery.

That being said, too bad some drug company couldn’t come up with a pill that would only effect demodummies, as we all know they are full of sh&t.
(Sorry, I just couldn’t refrain)


28 posted on 01/09/2014 3:10:58 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: Progov

Ever thought about where illegals do to get their healthcare?

Emergency rooms at hospitals.


29 posted on 01/09/2014 3:14:14 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I know your thoughts are well-intended here, but they are a little off-center of my concerns at this point. And I do a little discipling of others myself, FYI.

Regarding IBLP, its basic seminar is (or was, it's kind of stale to many now) well-founded. I saw Bill in August and had a little chat with him on discipling. It was a nice moment of renewal of old times.

Like many parachurch ministries, IBLP had its time, that now seems to be past. However, the general thrust of the Basic and Advanced Seminars, if applied, will help bring stunted Christians to a deeper and more fruitful relationship with Christ. To tell the truth, many, if not most, churches and denominations are missing the mark in their methodology, and producing spiritual midgets amongst the general congregants. Putting the basic life principles into action can and has countered that for many, many people.

The material of the Basic Seminar both valuable and timeless. It has helped both me and my family, as well as my former wife, as well.

Finding fault is one of the easiest paths to take. With IBLP, one must make some eclectic choices, saving the good parts. IBLP is not a "church" and never pretended to be. Bill always insisted that his employees each find a local wholesome church assembly, and attend and serve in it faithfully. He and his enterprise never pretended to take the place of the local church nor its pastor.

30 posted on 01/09/2014 3:16:18 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I am sorry in turn to hear that you and yours really have your mind anchored in this world. Because as long as you do, you won’t even get a lot in this world.

I see you've moved from the observational point of view into the judgmental. I'm afraid you have far too little information to adequately fill that seat, or issue such advice.

31 posted on 01/09/2014 3:32:19 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I’d recommend your friend look in a different direction, to God.

It's not my "friend"--it's my son. You took maybe 3 to 5 minutes to read and think over my comment before typing your response. Are you sure you thought this through thoroughly before coming up with your advice?

My experience is that my son and I have the God part of our concerns pretty well covered, and are now engaged with the more mundane prophylactic phase of the matter.

32 posted on 01/09/2014 3:53:45 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Olog-hai

Genus and species. Antibiotic resistant? The article is useless.


33 posted on 01/09/2014 4:23:42 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: zeestephen

God willing, that’s my plan.


34 posted on 01/09/2014 4:27:56 AM PST by tomkat (you'll know when it's time)
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To: vetvetdoug
This is carbapenem resistent enterbacter (enterobacteraciae). There is a related bug CRAB (carbapenem resistant acenitobacteracea). The latter is a pneumonia that is damn near impossible to treat, when I see this in the ICU I know it is a long haul with a probably fatal outcome

Now for the science -- I have recently learned that not all on the freerepublic care for the science, but rather the emotion. This is a resistant BACTERIA. This is what happens when we overuse antibiotics. A specie eventually emerges that defeats the antibiotic we use. This generally is tha fault of physicians overperscribing, and worse yet, the culture demanding antibiotics for things that do not require antimicrobial therapy.

This is not some butt humping disease like proffered up above, this is a problem based on overuse. This tends to be endemic in long term care facilities and long term vent units.

At the end of the day, the story on this bacteria is create a better mousetrap and you will breed a smarter mouse eventually. This also represents probably the biggest health threat to the human specie. The bugs always win in the end...

35 posted on 01/09/2014 5:19:16 AM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America)
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To: gas_dr

-——I have recently learned that not all on the freerepublic care for the science-——

A more correct statement is that rather than not caring, a better characteristic is not having. one can’t care if he does not have


36 posted on 01/09/2014 5:24:43 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: zeestephen
If there is any way you can, stay away from hospitals

I'm cynical. Next to nobody is signing up for nazi health insurance, So now, we're hearing about a swine flu epidemic-to-be and killer bugs that are drug resistant. Next the media will be feeding us stories about how expensive health care is for those who aren't insured and end up paying the bills for their medical care.

And about those hospitals. If you show up at one and they decide you MIGHT have a killer flu or whatever that's contagious, the hospital can force you into quarantine. You're not getting out until they do tests and decide you don't have a deadly contagious disease. Only problem is they might give you one before they end your incarceration. It happened to me four years ago, when I had symptoms similar to swine flu.

37 posted on 01/09/2014 5:27:03 AM PST by grania
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To: gas_dr

This generally is tha fault of physicians overperscribing, and worse yet, the culture demanding antibiotics for things that do not require antimicrobial therapy.

**
Agreed. For once I’d like to show an undercover video of one of my patients as I tell them I won’t be prescribing an antibiotic for their 10th “sinus infection” of the year ....you will see the immediate dirty looks, pout, and/or outright footstamping FITS people throw because you aren’t prescribing them an antibiotic. They are TOLD they need a Z-pack by their cousin, their aunt, their grandma, or their best friend and dam it, YOU’D better give it to them or they’re going to find another place to get it.

IMO, the gubmit needs to get on it and do a massive educational campaign and get people on board. No fever? You probably do NOT have an infection! You’ve been coughing for 2 weeks? Whatever. That’s not long enough for anyone to be concerned.

Go home, make some chicken soup and suck it up, or pretty soon we won’t be able to treat anything that matters.


38 posted on 01/09/2014 5:33:51 AM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: imardmd1

Prayers up for your son — and for you.


39 posted on 01/09/2014 5:46:09 AM PST by Bigg Red (Let the lying lips be dumb, which speak insolently against the righteous in pride and contempt.--Ps3)
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To: gas_dr

...this is a problem based on overuse.

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But isn’t the lack of proper hygiene also a major factor?


40 posted on 01/09/2014 5:54:16 AM PST by Bigg Red (Let the lying lips be dumb, which speak insolently against the righteous in pride and contempt.--Ps3)
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To: LibsRJerks

...FITS people throw because you aren’t prescribing them an antibiotic.

***
I understand the problem for you, but part of the blame must be put on the physicians for not adequately educating patients. It has been my observation that far too many docs assume that their patients are more knowledgeable than they actually are. It may be time-consuming, but the patients need to learn. Perhaps a print-out could be given to them. Even better, instead of having some stupid TV show on in the waiting room, perhaps a video done cartoon style could explain the difference between viral vs. bacterial infections, the rise of ABR bacteria, etc.


41 posted on 01/09/2014 6:01:48 AM PST by Bigg Red (Let the lying lips be dumb, which speak insolently against the righteous in pride and contempt.--Ps3)
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To: imardmd1

Just said a prayer for your son. God bless him.


42 posted on 01/09/2014 6:38:30 AM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: Captain Rhino

I actually saw someone here on FR brag about not washing his hands after going to the bathroom. He said it keeps his resistance up.


43 posted on 01/09/2014 6:40:30 AM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: imardmd1

Hi!
Contaminated water is the most likely candidate in a flood to cause illness... by now the local health department should certainly have determined what specific bacteria are at fault. I would suggest contacting them with your question (and if there were other health hazards caused in your son’s flood the health dept should know that, too).

“Health Related Concerns
Residents affected by the recent flooding who have health or safety related questions/concerns pertaining to mold, tetanus vaccines, well water safety, etc can contact the DuPage County Health Department at (630) 682-7400 or visit the Health Department website at www.dupagehealth.org “


That there was a contaminated water in that flood is pretty clear from the following:

(tree guy but he does mention several interesting things about the flood:)

http://www.fs.fed.us/foresthealth/fhm/fhh/fhh_10/il_fhh_10.pdf

“Health concerns rise over water...”

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20130520/news/705209922/

http://lizchaplin1.blogspot.com/2013/07/lisle-flood.html

Village of Lisle news update:

http://www.villageoflisle.org/home/index.asp?page=10&recordid=1048


44 posted on 01/09/2014 6:57:27 AM PST by faithhopecharity (no)
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To: faithhopecharity

Thanks for your concern and response. I scanned through these links briefly, but will scrutinize them later —


45 posted on 01/09/2014 7:38:53 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Bigg Red

No it is not a lack of hygeine. Bacteria is upiquitous. What has happened is these patients have received so much antibiotics that the CREB and CRAB have been selected. We are colonized with bacteria. SO there is isolation once these are diagnosed to prevent transfer from patient to patient with a health care vector, but that is pretty low probability. These are generally bugs that we are colonized with (everyone of us has C. Dif, MRSA, etc. etc) but the chronicall ill eventually have to little of an immune system to deal with this and thus become sick.


46 posted on 01/09/2014 7:43:46 AM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Thanks so much for your thoughts. I hope that this is not the infection he has.


47 posted on 01/09/2014 7:45:11 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Bigg Red

The fact is that my colleagues and I often educate these patients. However, they then write letters to Boards of MEdicine filing complaints because they are not wanting to be educated. They go shopping to the local doc in the box and get the antibiotic because at some point the patient can be so painful to deal with we just want them to go away. I assure you, it is not for lack of education on our end.


48 posted on 01/09/2014 7:46:19 AM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America)
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To: CatherineofAragon
I actually saw someone here on FR brag about not washing his hands after going to the bathroom. He said it keeps his resistance up.

What a piker.

I *lick* my hands clean.

49 posted on 01/09/2014 7:48:11 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz
"What a piker.

I *lick* my hands clean."

Spreading them zombifying flu germs, are you?....

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50 posted on 01/09/2014 7:57:43 AM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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