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First North American death from bird flu (Canada)
The Telegraph ^ | 1-9-2014 | (Unclear)

Posted on 01/09/2014 8:45:46 AM PST by Sir Napsalot

The first fatal case of bird flu in North America has been reported in Canada.

Officials in Canada said the victim, who was from Alberta, had just returned from Beijing.

The unnamed victim, who was not identified, died on January 3, having been admitted to hospital on Jan 1.

Four days earlier the victim, whose sex was not disclosed, had complained of a headache and fever.

Rona Ambrose, the Canadian health minister, insisted this was an isolated case, although officials are trying to contact others on the flight.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: beijing; birdflu; health

1 posted on 01/09/2014 8:45:46 AM PST by Sir Napsalot
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To: null and void

bird flu ping


2 posted on 01/09/2014 8:46:20 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

bttt


3 posted on 01/09/2014 8:48:27 AM PST by txhurl
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To: Sir Napsalot

Another February, another outbreak in Southern China.

SARS, bird flu, it doesn’t stop ....


4 posted on 01/09/2014 8:55:45 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: Sir Napsalot; neverdem; ProtectOurFreedom; Mother Abigail; EBH; vetvetdoug; Smokin' Joe; ...
Bring Out Your Dead

Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.

5 posted on 01/09/2014 8:56:45 AM PST by null and void (It is as if they all had one head. Too bad they don't all have one neck.)
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To: null and void

But I’m not dead yet!


6 posted on 01/09/2014 9:07:48 AM PST by Crazieman (Are you naive enough to think VOTING will fix this entrenched system?)
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To: Crazieman

You’ll be dead by morning...


7 posted on 01/09/2014 9:11:08 AM PST by null and void (It is as if they all had one head. Too bad they don't all have one neck.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Anyone who’s been to China...even recently...knows how dirty that country is.The only reason I can think of to explain the fact that the “natives” don’t die by the tens of millions from bacteria and viruses contracted in those filthy surroundings is that their immune systems are so accustomed to it that they can survive conditions that would kill folks from civilized countries within 12 hours.


8 posted on 01/09/2014 9:12:51 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: Sir Napsalot
I've had one strain of the influenza already this year. I had a splitting headache for three days before the respiratory symptoms appeared. The Great H1N1 Influenza of 1918 started out with a disabling headache and then fulminant respiratory symptoms resulting in death within 48 hours.
9 posted on 01/09/2014 9:47:07 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; Mother Abigail; EBH; Dog Gone; ...

Ping....


10 posted on 01/09/2014 10:00:35 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

We’ve had several deaths in our county alone due to Bird Flu. One health man in his mid-20’s died when mis-diagnosed with bronchitis instead of the flu, developed pneumonia and died in 4 days.

If you’re in your 60’s you were probably exposed to it in the 50’s and relatively safe, but this stuff is deadly if no previous exposure, no flu shot, and especially if an underlying condition.


11 posted on 01/09/2014 12:22:01 PM PST by rstrahan
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To: rstrahan
Is it the bird flu or the pneumonia that's killing people? If one were getting a vaccination of some kind, wouldn't one for pneumonia make more sense?

I'm convinced that dairy products cause pneumonia to get worse. I'm avoiding dairy, especially the fat, and have been since getting pneumonia four years ago.

12 posted on 01/09/2014 12:26:14 PM PST by grania
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To: rstrahan
I was 15 in 1955 and I had the worst case of the flu that I have ever had and I have had many cases of flu since then.

I always wondered if it was Bird Flu or one of the others. Not so much was said about it in the news back then. I remember feeling that I was not totally there. My mother would come in to the room and talk to me and I wouldn't answer her, I'd just look at her. It was a very strange feeling that I have never had again.

13 posted on 01/09/2014 12:34:13 PM PST by Ditter
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To: vetvetdoug

In our local hospital (Seattle suburb)they had four deaths last week from H1N1 flu - ages 30 to 54. Saw on the new a 5-year old died in Oregon. So is this one in Canada something different? If not - it wasn’t the first by a long shot.


14 posted on 01/09/2014 1:26:00 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: 21twelve

Oops - after reading the article the “bird flu” they are talking about is H5N1 (what is going around here is H1N1).


15 posted on 01/09/2014 1:29:45 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: grania
Is it the bird flu or the pneumonia that's killing people? If one were getting a vaccination of some kind, wouldn't one for pneumonia make more sense?

When a person gets the flu, it weakens their immune system, leaving them vulnerable to opportunistic infections. They probably would not get pneumonia if they did not already have the flu.

There are several different viruses and bacteria that cause pneumonia. There are not vaccines for all of them.

16 posted on 01/09/2014 3:37:18 PM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: rstrahan
There are a number of variants of Bird Flu, the one in the article being the H5N1 variant. It is notable in that it is relatively difficult to transmit from human to human, preferring the warmer temperatures of the deep lung, unlike the more ordinary variants which thrive in the upper respiratory passages where it is cooler, and where it is easier to cough the virus out, transmitting it to others.

The reason this particular variant has garnered attention, however, is the very high mortality rate--about 60% of confirmed cases do not survive.

Keep in mind that those stats may be skewed by misdiagnosis, absence of diagnosis, or survivors who never sought medical attention, generally confined as the virus has been to Eastern Asia, and some parts of the Middle East.

This is a first confirmed death for this variant in North America, and note the plane originated in Beijing.

17 posted on 01/09/2014 3:37:26 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

More info. Pretty nasty stuff

http://emergency.cdc.gov/HAN/han00360.asp


18 posted on 01/17/2014 12:01:48 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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Ping to data in AppyPappy’s link (Thanks, Pappy!)


19 posted on 01/17/2014 1:42:01 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I’ve never been to China, but I’ve been to the restrooms of Chinese restaurants.


20 posted on 01/17/2014 1:53:46 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Keep in mind that one scientist scared the beeperjeepers out of everyone by making a 5 gene mutation of H5N1 in a lab that would have been H2H, and then went and published that he had done so.

“Oh, hey, guess what everybody! I’ve just made a Satan Bug!”

It is just a huge mystery why H5N1 has not become H2H in the wild. It could still do so anytime.


21 posted on 01/17/2014 2:07:06 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (There Is Still A Very Hot War On Terror, Just Not On The MSM. Rantburg.com)
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To: rstrahan
"We’ve had several deaths in our county alone due to Bird Flu. One health man in his mid-20’s died when mis-diagnosed with bronchitis instead of the flu, developed pneumonia and died in 4 days."

My brother (54 years old) was just released from the hospital in Amarillo for pneumonia. He was there on business and woke up in the hotel room feeling so bad that he called an ambulance to take him to the hospital.

I'm presently having a relapse of bronchitis that I got on a Christmas trip to LA. When I was at the doctor here in Mobile last week , he said ( I asked) he'd had two cases of the H1N1 here.

Is the H1N1 affecting the young more severly than the aged like the H5N1 virus?

22 posted on 01/17/2014 2:50:09 PM PST by blam
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To: Gay State Conservative
Anyone who’s been to China...even recently...knows how dirty that country is.The only reason I can think of to explain the fact that the “natives” don’t die by the tens of millions from bacteria and viruses contracted in those filthy surroundings is that their immune systems are so accustomed to it that they can survive conditions that would kill folks from civilized countries within 12 hours.

You're right on that.

I had a friend who was a nurse who worked in Africa and she made the same observation some 35 years ago. Told me that there were people walking around with infections that would have killed an American a long time before.

Either their immune system is strengthened as you say, or it's survival of the fittest because the weak don't survive infancy or childhood.

23 posted on 01/17/2014 2:51:18 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: grania
I'm convinced that dairy products cause pneumonia to get worse. I'm avoiding dairy, especially the fat, and have been since getting pneumonia four years ago.

Cow milk makes the mucous secretions in your respiratory tract worse, so yes, it would make something like pneumonia worse.

24 posted on 01/17/2014 2:53:22 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I just read that one of the reasons so many people died in 1918 was that the treatment for the flu was ....aspirin. Which can cause bleeding.


25 posted on 01/17/2014 2:53:25 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: grania
"I'm convinced that dairy products cause pneumonia to get worse. I'm avoiding dairy, especially the fat, and have been since getting pneumonia four years ago. "

The Cipro that I'm presently taking for bronchitis says that it is less effective if taken with dairy products.

Here's what it says:

"Do not take this medicine with dairy products such as milk or yogurt, or with calcium-fortified juice. You may eat or drink these products as part of a regular meal, but do not use them alone when taking Cipro. They could make the medication less effective.

26 posted on 01/17/2014 2:57:04 PM PST by blam
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To: metmom

“Cow milk makes the mucous secretions in your respiratory tract worse, “


I did not know that. Maybe that’s why I was put on goat’s milk as an asthmatic child. This was many years ago.

The only thing I remember is that I detested the taste.

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27 posted on 01/17/2014 3:04:49 PM PST by Mears
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To: AppyPappy
"I just read that one of the reasons so many people died in 1918 was that the treatment for the flu was ....aspirin. Which can cause bleeding."

From this site:

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* Given the similarity between the avian flu component of this new virus and the 1918 Spanish flu, a possible precaution to take is common household cinnamon from the spice rack. During the 1918 outbreak it was noticed that people who worked at a cinnamon processing factory did not catch the disease. Cinnamon in high doses can be toxic, but a gram a day for adults seems like a reasonable dose. http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/flu.php

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* For Severe Flu Symptoms - Take one tablespoon lukewarm honey with 1/4 spoon cinnamon powder daily for 3 days. This process will cure most chronic coughs, colds and clear the sinuses. A scientist in Spain has proved that honey contains a natural ingredient which kills the influenza germs and saves the patient from flu. http://www.naturalnews.com/023087.html

28 posted on 01/17/2014 3:05:08 PM PST by blam
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To: Mears

Goat milk can be nasty if the goats are not fed a good diet of good hay and grain. If they are allowed to forage, their milk will taste like a goat, very nasty.


29 posted on 01/17/2014 3:10:10 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: blam; Kartographer

Survival ping to post 28


30 posted on 01/17/2014 3:11:18 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Mears
I too was an asthmatic child who grew up on raw cows milk. I have heard this before but I don't remember drinking milk having any affect on my asthma one way or the other. The feather mattress that I slept on was the main culprit.
31 posted on 01/17/2014 3:12:11 PM PST by Ditter
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To: metmom; blam

Thank you for confirming that. Good thing I got that right. <^..^>


32 posted on 01/17/2014 3:22:59 PM PST by grania
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To: blam

Uh yeah. Maybe you should try paying a witch to take the flu away.


33 posted on 01/17/2014 4:27:53 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: AppyPappy

You do realize, don’t you, that many modern pharmaceuticals have their vase in natural herbal remedies?

One that comes quickly to mind is foxglove, for dropsy, which is an indicator of heart conditions. Foxglove contains digitalis which is used a s heart medicine.


34 posted on 01/17/2014 4:57:52 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Keep in mind that one scientist scared the beeperjeepers out of everyone by making a 5 gene mutation of H5N1 in a lab that would have been H2H, and then went and published that he had done so.

Actually, two groups did transmission studies with H5N1, Fouchier and Kawaoka. In both labs, when the H5N1 became more transmissible (in ferrets, not humans), it became less virulent. A H2H transmissible H5N1 certainly would be scary, but I don't think it would have the 60% case fatality rate that H5N1 has now.

35 posted on 01/17/2014 5:13:20 PM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: AppyPappy
I just read that one of the reasons so many people died in 1918 was that the treatment for the flu was ....aspirin. Which can cause bleeding.

Many of those who died from the 1918 flu were young and healthy, with strong immune systems. Their immune systems went into overdrive upon encountering this (then) new virus, causing a series of events called a "cytokine storm", which killed them. Older people and infants with weak immune systems were more likely to survive.

As far as I know, the only complication of using aspirin to treat flu is Reyes syndrome, which affects children and teens.

36 posted on 01/17/2014 5:18:49 PM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: exDemMom

They bled through their lungs. Aspirin made that worse.


37 posted on 01/17/2014 5:45:32 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: exDemMom

Problems with this are first, that ferrets have one of the closest immune systems to humans among mammals, so much so that the Army regards them as the “canary in a coal mine” to biological attack.

Second, on top of that, H5N1 is unique in all the different immune systems it attacks. Wildly different animals, like fish, cats and dogs.

The murderous Spanish flu maxed out with a 20% mortality rate. Typically, diseases have a regular declining curve of mortality over time, but H5N1 has stubbornly maintained its lethality except in one case, the Egyptian clade that went into a primarily pediatric form.

And this was regarded as bad, because pediatric cases also increase the likelihood of successful mutations.


38 posted on 01/17/2014 5:59:18 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (There Is Still A Very Hot War On Terror, Just Not On The MSM. Rantburg.com)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Thanks for the ping!


39 posted on 01/17/2014 7:49:26 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

You’re Welcome, Alamo-Girl!


40 posted on 01/18/2014 12:27:18 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
It is just a huge mystery why H5N1 has not become H2H in the wild. It could still do so anytime.

Which is precisely why many of remain alert for news of it.

Nasty stuff.

41 posted on 01/18/2014 12:29:14 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: AppyPappy

That may have been a contributing factor, but from descriptions an acute auto-immune crisis known as a “Cytokine Storm” was more likely the culprit in the most rapid deaths.


42 posted on 01/18/2014 12:31:08 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: AppyPappy

The bleeding was a consequence of cytokine storm. People died within hours of becoming sick.


43 posted on 01/18/2014 5:46:23 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: exDemMom

Hammering them with aspirin doesn’t seem like a good way to handle that.


44 posted on 01/18/2014 6:05:56 AM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: AppyPappy

Yeah. At least we have antivirals now.


45 posted on 01/18/2014 8:02:19 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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