First North American death from bird flu (Canada)

The Telegraph ^ | 1-9-2014 | (Unclear)

[Sir Napsalot]

The first fatal case of bird flu in North America has been reported in Canada.

Officials in Canada said the victim, who was from Alberta, had just returned from Beijing.

The unnamed victim, who was not identified, died on January 3, having been admitted to hospital on Jan 1.

Four days earlier the victim, whose sex was not disclosed, had complained of a headache and fever.

Rona Ambrose, the Canadian health minister, insisted this was an isolated case, although officials are trying to contact others on the flight.

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

Keep in mind that one scientist scared the beeperjeepers out of everyone by making a 5 gene mutation of H5N1 in a lab that would have been H2H, and then went and published that he had done so.

“Oh, hey, guess what everybody! I’ve just made a Satan Bug!”

It is just a huge mystery why H5N1 has not become H2H in the wild. It could still do so anytime.

[blam]

"We’ve had several deaths in our county alone due to Bird Flu. One health man in his mid-20’s died when mis-diagnosed with bronchitis instead of the flu, developed pneumonia and died in 4 days."

My brother (54 years old) was just released from the hospital in Amarillo for pneumonia. He was there on business and woke up in the hotel room feeling so bad that he called an ambulance to take him to the hospital.

I'm presently having a relapse of bronchitis that I got on a Christmas trip to LA. When I was at the doctor here in Mobile last week , he said ( I asked) he'd had two cases of the H1N1 here.

Is the H1N1 affecting the young more severly than the aged like the H5N1 virus?

[metmom]

Anyone who’s been to China...even recently...knows how dirty that country is.The only reason I can think of to explain the fact that the “natives” don’t die by the tens of millions from bacteria and viruses contracted in those filthy surroundings is that their immune systems are so accustomed to it that they can survive conditions that would kill folks from civilized countries within 12 hours.

You're right on that.

I had a friend who was a nurse who worked in Africa and she made the same observation some 35 years ago. Told me that there were people walking around with infections that would have killed an American a long time before.

Either their immune system is strengthened as you say, or it's survival of the fittest because the weak don't survive infancy or childhood.

[metmom]

I'm convinced that dairy products cause pneumonia to get worse. I'm avoiding dairy, especially the fat, and have been since getting pneumonia four years ago.

Cow milk makes the mucous secretions in your respiratory tract worse, so yes, it would make something like pneumonia worse.

[AppyPappy]

I just read that one of the reasons so many people died in 1918 was that the treatment for the flu was ....aspirin. Which can cause bleeding.

[blam]

"I'm convinced that dairy products cause pneumonia to get worse. I'm avoiding dairy, especially the fat, and have been since getting pneumonia four years ago. "

The Cipro that I'm presently taking for bronchitis says that it is less effective if taken with dairy products.

Here's what it says:

"Do not take this medicine with dairy products such as milk or yogurt, or with calcium-fortified juice. You may eat or drink these products as part of a regular meal, but do not use them alone when taking Cipro. They could make the medication less effective.

[Mears]

“Cow milk makes the mucous secretions in your respiratory tract worse, “

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I did not know that. Maybe that’s why I was put on goat’s milk as an asthmatic child. This was many years ago.

The only thing I remember is that I detested the taste.

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[blam]

"I just read that one of the reasons so many people died in 1918 was that the treatment for the flu was ....aspirin. Which can cause bleeding."

From this site:

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* Given the similarity between the avian flu component of this new virus and the 1918 Spanish flu, a possible precaution to take is common household cinnamon from the spice rack. During the 1918 outbreak it was noticed that people who worked at a cinnamon processing factory did not catch the disease. Cinnamon in high doses can be toxic, but a gram a day for adults seems like a reasonable dose. http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/flu.php

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* For Severe Flu Symptoms - Take one tablespoon lukewarm honey with 1/4 spoon cinnamon powder daily for 3 days. This process will cure most chronic coughs, colds and clear the sinuses. A scientist in Spain has proved that honey contains a natural ingredient which kills the influenza germs and saves the patient from flu. http://www.naturalnews.com/023087.html

[metmom]

Goat milk can be nasty if the goats are not fed a good diet of good hay and grain. If they are allowed to forage, their milk will taste like a goat, very nasty.

[metmom]

Survival ping to post 28

[Ditter]

I too was an asthmatic child who grew up on raw cows milk. I have heard this before but I don't remember drinking milk having any affect on my asthma one way or the other. The feather mattress that I slept on was the main culprit.

[grania]

Thank you for confirming that. Good thing I got that right. <^..^>

[AppyPappy]

Uh yeah. Maybe you should try paying a witch to take the flu away.

[metmom]

You do realize, don’t you, that many modern pharmaceuticals have their vase in natural herbal remedies?

One that comes quickly to mind is foxglove, for dropsy, which is an indicator of heart conditions. Foxglove contains digitalis which is used a s heart medicine.

[exDemMom]

Keep in mind that one scientist scared the beeperjeepers out of everyone by making a 5 gene mutation of H5N1 in a lab that would have been H2H, and then went and published that he had done so.

Actually, two groups did transmission studies with H5N1, Fouchier and Kawaoka. In both labs, when the H5N1 became more transmissible (in ferrets, not humans), it became less virulent. A H2H transmissible H5N1 certainly would be scary, but I don't think it would have the 60% case fatality rate that H5N1 has now.

[exDemMom]

I just read that one of the reasons so many people died in 1918 was that the treatment for the flu was ....aspirin. Which can cause bleeding.

Many of those who died from the 1918 flu were young and healthy, with strong immune systems. Their immune systems went into overdrive upon encountering this (then) new virus, causing a series of events called a "cytokine storm", which killed them. Older people and infants with weak immune systems were more likely to survive.

As far as I know, the only complication of using aspirin to treat flu is Reyes syndrome, which affects children and teens.

[AppyPappy]

They bled through their lungs. Aspirin made that worse.

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

Problems with this are first, that ferrets have one of the closest immune systems to humans among mammals, so much so that the Army regards them as the “canary in a coal mine” to biological attack.

Second, on top of that, H5N1 is unique in all the different immune systems it attacks. Wildly different animals, like fish, cats and dogs.

The murderous Spanish flu maxed out with a 20% mortality rate. Typically, diseases have a regular declining curve of mortality over time, but H5N1 has stubbornly maintained its lethality except in one case, the Egyptian clade that went into a primarily pediatric form.

And this was regarded as bad, because pediatric cases also increase the likelihood of successful mutations.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[Smokin' Joe]

You’re Welcome, Alamo-Girl!