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The Fall of Fallujah
Townhall.com ^ | January 9, 2014 | Nightwatch

Posted on 01/09/2014 12:22:25 PM PST by Kaslin

Iraq: Late reporting indicates that al-Qaida-affiliated Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) fighters have begun withdrawing from Fallujah to the suburbs. This report has not been confirmed.

The government announced that it would not attack Fallujah for now in order to minimize civilian casualties. At least one source in Iraq, however, reported that government forces have low morale because they lack the supplies and equipment to mount an operation that has any prospect of success.

Meanwhile in Ramadi, also west of Baghdad, a government and tribal night operation on 6 January failed to oust Islamists from southern Ramadi, according to an army spokesman. The government force was repulsed.

Comment: The fighting in Anbar Province does not threaten the government in Baghdad. Rather it threatens to fragment Iraq, provided the Sunni tribes join the uprising in more strength than they have to date.

If confirmed, the withdrawal of the Islamists indicates they realize they cannot hold territory against more modern and better equipped forces. It also suggests they lack good intelligence on Iraqi government forces.

The ISIS-led seizure of Fallujah does not appear sustainable, but there will be more and worse troubles in Anbar. That is because the Shiite-dominated al Maliki government has disenfranchised the Sunni Arab population. Inclusiveness is not part of the Iraqi understanding of winning elections and majority rule. Thus, there will be more violence and killing.

The Sunni Arabs in Anbar are in revolt, but the second round of Iraq's civil war is just beginning.

Syria: For the record. The first batch of chemical weapons precursors was loaded aboard a ship on Tuesday. The ship sailed from the port of Latakia, Syria, with Russian and Chinese naval escorts. Neither the Syrian government nor the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons identified the chemical storage sites from which the precursors were withdrawn.

The chemical precursors will be taken to Italy, where they will be loaded onto a US Navy ship and moved to international waters for destruction in a specially created titanium tank on board.

This is the start of a process that should have been completed by 31 December. The Sunni uprising prevented Syria from meeting the 31 December target, not the Syrian government.

The start of the destruction of Syrian chemical weapons makes this a good day for Israel.

Security situation. In the past week, news services have reported fighting between opposition factions. Most of the fratricide is occurring in towns in northern Syria south of the Turkish border in a hundred mile swath from the eastern edge of the Alawite region around Latakia, on the coast, to the border of the Kurdish area in the northeast.

Most western reports stress that the main antagonist is the al-Qaida affiliated Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), also known as the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria or al Sham (ISIS), which includes Syria and Lebanon.

What is missing in most of the press accounts is that the protagonist is not the secular fighting groups supported by the West, but the al-Nusrah Front, which comprises intolerantly devout Islamist fighters. The fighting does not appear to favor one or other group. Both have resorted to executing captured fighters from the other side by the dozens. Neither appears to be making measurable gains, except in body counts.

A difference is that the al-Nusrah Front is Syrian and wants to govern a fundamentalist emirate based in Damascus. ISIL is pan-Arab and wants to merge Syria with Iraq into a single emirate. The Syrian Kurds in the northeast appear to be defending their areas and Government forces are holding their own in the west.

Administrative note: Thanks to all the brilliant Readers who submitted thoughts about the elections in Bangladesh.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaedairaq; bhogwot; fallujah; iraq; middleast; postwariraq; terrorists

1 posted on 01/09/2014 12:22:25 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Well...it must be the will of Allah for this to happen...so, let’s talk about more important stuff...like the Fall of the US under Obama!


2 posted on 01/09/2014 12:25:20 PM PST by BCW (Salva reipublicae)
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To: Dog

I am speechless . . . .


3 posted on 01/09/2014 12:25:55 PM PST by Cap Huff
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To: Kaslin
The democrats defunded Viet Nam to cause our loss in Viet Nam. Now this principle is in effect to lose the gains of our brave men and loss of our blood, sweat and tears.
4 posted on 01/09/2014 12:26:29 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Kaslin

“The government announced that it would not attack Fallujah for now in order to minimize civilian casualties. At least one source in Iraq, however, reported that government forces have low morale because they lack the supplies and equipment to mount an operation that has any prospect of success.”

Now just WHOM would be benefited by the release of such a statement?


5 posted on 01/09/2014 12:28:40 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: Kaslin
I called this 12 years ago when we went into that sh#thole. The first democrat was going to bail out and Iraq was going to degenerate into a 3 sided civil war.

We have traitors in the congress, executive and judicial branch that are part of the democrat socialist peoples party that have and are destroying our country.

My son is never going to give his life for the useless distractions the power brokers have given us. Prepare for China to start a rumble and then watch as we get pulled into that morass in order to get rid of men that are useless eaters by the Chinese and the cowards here in power.

voting is useless now that the fix is in for illegals, unions and parasites to take over the polls. It doesn't even matter how you vote unless you COUNT the votes.

6 posted on 01/09/2014 12:29:20 PM PST by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: Kaslin
There was a segment on the news last night with an interview with a tribal leader in Fallujah. His message was for the West to stay out of Fallujah and the tribal leaders would take care of any AlQaeda still in the city.

Why should we be upset if tribal leaders take over Fallujah, get rid of AlQaeda, and keep it from erupting into civil war? We shouldn't have gone into Iraq to begin with.

7 posted on 01/09/2014 12:30:00 PM PST by grania
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To: Kaslin

The situation in Iraq is sorta weird, on all levels. I mean, Al Queda isn’t a “Nation” so.........they take these towns, what are they going to do? Try to set up a new country or something? If they did, would they try to join the UN? Do they control an airport or a radio station or a Post Office or a telephone exchange? I think that for a group to establish their own country they’d have to have those things at a mere minimum. You can’t be your own country without your own Country Code for telephone calls and your own Zip code for postal purposes and you have to have an airport. My guess is that, as well, they’d need get their own IP address for Internet. Sounds to me like they haven’t thought this all through.


8 posted on 01/09/2014 12:31:11 PM PST by Rich21IE
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To: Kaslin

Not one American life is worth that sand pit.


9 posted on 01/09/2014 12:32:57 PM PST by SkyDancer ("How Can People Ask Forgiveness If They Won't Forgive Others?")
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To: BCW

I hear you and agree


10 posted on 01/09/2014 12:35:19 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

I am heartbroken for those who suffered and sacrificed in Iraq. Yes, the ‘leaders’ we now have are more comfortable with us losing Militarily. It proves, to the Obamabots, that our Military is a waste of money.


11 posted on 01/09/2014 12:35:38 PM PST by originalbuckeye ("A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue;)
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To: grania

Well we did go in and it worked out well. That arrogant pos occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania turned the success around into a failure


12 posted on 01/09/2014 12:39:07 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: grania

“al Qaeda” already overplayed its hand in Fallujah a decade ago, and created blood feuds that haven’t been settled.

I suggest they left because anyone who isn’t from around those parts still has to face tribal chiefs with old scores to settle for butchered raped and robbed families and tribsemen.

One thing our military did was to get the offended tribes to cooperate with us and drive out the psychos out- now they know it can be done. Please keep glory hog John McCain home and let them take care of their own bidness.


13 posted on 01/09/2014 12:50:26 PM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Kaslin

To use Michelle’s quote; “All This (U.S. war dead fighting for a people’s right to freely live and vote) for a Flag? (The Black Flag of Islam which now flutters in retaken-Fallujah)


14 posted on 01/09/2014 1:29:36 PM PST by lee martell
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To: Kaslin

So Obama just pissed away and wasted all those who died in the initial liberation of that $h!t hole


15 posted on 01/09/2014 1:31:40 PM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: Kaslin

Coming; the Sunnification of Iraq.


16 posted on 01/09/2014 1:35:47 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Dick Vomer

Yes, this was a foolish endeavor from the start. Bush and others who pushed for this war are more to blame than anyone. What did they think would happen? Anyone familiar with history would have known this would turn into a disaster.

Nothing of benefit to our country has been accomplished. In fact, the place is worse than it was under Saddam. Christians have been chased out or killed, and Maliki is just as much a tyrant as Saddam was, plus he’s a tyrant who embraces Iran.

If only I could say a few choice words to the cheerleaders for this war like Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Frum, Condi Rice, and Cheney. Our people were sent to suffer and die for the whims of a bunch of policy wonks who thought they could remake the world.


17 posted on 01/09/2014 2:16:14 PM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Saudi Arabians, with some measure of Saudi government assistance, attack the hell out of us on 9-11...so of course we had to invade Iraq.

Thousands of U.S. soldiers dead for zip, nada - but hey at least stuttering dog-painter George Jr. gets to pick up post-war awards from Saudi “royals”.


18 posted on 01/09/2014 2:31:50 PM PST by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: Kaslin

Much of the middle east is on fire...the fire of Islam’s leader,Satan...who its followers stupidly believe is actually God.


19 posted on 01/09/2014 2:34:52 PM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Dagnabitt

My sentiments exactly. I am so heartbroken for the troops and their families who have sacrficed so much for idiot politicians who treat them like pawns. I cannot imagine losing a son or daughter to this travesty.


20 posted on 01/09/2014 2:35:05 PM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Rich21IE
I mean, Al Queda isn’t a “Nation” so.....

The plan is to set up a trans-Sunni state in Western Iraq that boarder Eastern Territories they control in Syria. BTW, the Kurds are virtually their own country and Kurds provisionally control territories in Syria.

The only thing holding back Al Queda is they are back to their old ways, torturing and imposing strict Sharia Law. Remember that even OBL told Al Queda in Iraq to tone it done because they were turning off the masses. This puts tribal leader in the leadership position and last line of defense. They don't like Maliki and they don't like Al Queda. If the two can come to terms, the trans-Sunni state in Syria and Iraq will happen.

21 posted on 01/09/2014 2:47:20 PM PST by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: Cap Huff

“Fallujah”. What keeps coming to my mind is the “Lion of Fallujah”, Douglas Zembiec. I’m also mindful of two local Marines killed in nearby Ramadi. I’m of another generation if not two but I was privileged to serve with Marines of equal stature and sacrifice. Though their service is remembered around homes and squad bays, low-life trash politicians make me question the price.


22 posted on 01/09/2014 2:59:10 PM PST by Huaynero
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To: Kaslin

bttt


23 posted on 01/09/2014 3:04:17 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Pining_4_TX

A short-sighted opinion that neglects to point out how the critical investments in Iraq were squandered and abandoned.


24 posted on 01/09/2014 3:09:42 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Huaynero

I am retired military, and retired long before 911 so I had no active part in any of this. The closest I got was stateside support for Desert Shield. I cannot begin to fathom the sacrifice that so many men (and their families) made for the sake of the war in Iraq. Not too long after the battle of Fallujah I happened to meet two young fellows who took part in it. I cannot describe their mood while haltingly talking about it.

I have nothing but admiration for those who gave their last full measure of devotion, and those who risked their lives and the well being of their families. And for the families who sent their familly members to fight in that struggle.

I have nothing but total, utter, infinite, contempt for those who undermined the sacrifices. I cannot go any further than that without compromising Christian ethics and the code of this web site.


25 posted on 01/09/2014 3:56:44 PM PST by Cap Huff
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To: Gene Eric

Of course they were squandered. The goal, to remove Saddam, and to replace him with something better was always a pipe dream. As for the WMD, which were the original justification for the war and were used to scare the American people into accepting the invasion, they weren’t found. Now whether you believe they were whisked away to some other country doesn’t matter. The objective of finding WMD, if there, was not accomplished.


26 posted on 01/09/2014 10:12:47 PM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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