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Kelly Thomas case is in the jury's hands
Los Angeles Times ^ | January 9, 2014 | Adolfo Flores

Posted on 01/09/2014 2:14:02 PM PST by FBD

An Orange County jury has begun deliberating the fates of two former Fullerton police officers accused of killing a schizophrenic homeless man during a violent encounter at a city bus depot in 2011.

Manuel Ramos and Jay Cicinelli are charged with striking Kelly Thomas with a baton and a stun gun in a beating that left the homeless man comatose. He died five days after the altercation.

The case went to the jury following Orange County Dist. Atty. Tony Rackauckas' rebuttal after three days of closing arguments... Rackauckas told jurors that the former officers had abused their authority on the July evening when they confronted Thomas.

Ramos is facing second-degree murder and involuntary manslaughter charges, while Cicinelli is charged with involuntary manslaughter and excessive use of force...

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; fullerton; kellythomas; policestate
This case took 2 1/2 years to go to trial, and the city of Fullerton fought it every step of the way.
1 posted on 01/09/2014 2:14:03 PM PST by FBD
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To: DariusBane; null and void

Standby for the verdict. I predict it will be a quick deliberation.
Guilty on all counts.


2 posted on 01/09/2014 2:16:37 PM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger than yours)
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To: Admin Moderator

Not sure how foreign affairs got added to the list of topics.
My goof.


3 posted on 01/09/2014 2:18:49 PM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger than yours)
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To: Altariel; truth_seeker; Uncle Chip; puppypusher; Orangedog; GeronL

Ping: jury verdict watch


4 posted on 01/09/2014 2:26:46 PM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger than yours)
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To: lee martell; andyk; Yaelle; PapaBear3625; driftdiver

Ping to jury watch.
Any predictions?


5 posted on 01/09/2014 2:31:08 PM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger than yours)
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To: FBD

I hope you are correct. These jackboots should be put behind bars for a long time.


6 posted on 01/09/2014 2:43:31 PM PST by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: FBD

Hoping for guilty.


7 posted on 01/09/2014 3:21:02 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: FBD

I watched a long video, and from what that showed, it should be a no brainer.

Instead of restraining him, cuffing him, putting him a squad car, they played with him and toyed with him, taunting him.

These cops need to be an example.


8 posted on 01/09/2014 3:32:39 PM PST by truth_seeker (Nissan)
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To: truth_seeker

BTTT


9 posted on 01/09/2014 3:37:32 PM PST by snowtigger
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To: bobby.223

I believe maximum sentence for Ramos is 15 years, but only 4 for Cincinelli. That’s not enough, considering he was heard saying: “I smashed his face to hell, “ with the butt end of his taser.


10 posted on 01/09/2014 3:39:39 PM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger than yours)
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To: truth_seeker

Agreed. I’ve read this area is very pro law enforcement, but that shouldn’t effect such a clear case of manslaughter. Why Cincinelli wasn’t charged with manslaughter too, is beyond me.


11 posted on 01/09/2014 3:42:11 PM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger than yours)
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To: FBD

“Agreed. I’ve read this area is very pro law enforcement, but that shouldn’t effect such a clear case of manslaughter. Why Cincinelli wasn’t charged with manslaughter too, is beyond me.”

I went to college in Fullerton. My wife is friends with a former girlfriend of Thomas’ father.

The DA generally is a good guy, and these cops went way, way too far. Kelly Thomas was known to be mentally ill, sometimes living homeless, but never violent.


12 posted on 01/09/2014 3:48:53 PM PST by truth_seeker (Nissan)
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To: FBD

Is that what I heard some on FR affectionately refer to as a “Maglite Migraine?”


13 posted on 01/09/2014 3:50:30 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: FBD

It is time to tell these a$$holes, our freedom and safety is not at the price they want to extract.


14 posted on 01/09/2014 3:53:01 PM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: truth_seeker

Ive heard the DA is nicknamed T-Rack.
What I’ve read is mostly negative about him, but it seems like he did a fairly good job prosecuting this case. That defense lawyer is an absolute low life.


15 posted on 01/09/2014 3:53:16 PM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger than yours)
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To: Starstruck

I hope the jury’s message comes across.


16 posted on 01/09/2014 3:54:53 PM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger than yours)
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To: FBD

What’s taking so long — this should be a no-brainer.


17 posted on 01/09/2014 3:55:12 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Cyber Liberty

“Affectionately”?
I suppose some of them might think that’s appropriate dispensation of justice. Those cops, the chief, and the Mayor sure didn’t think they did anything wrong. That’s what I find so troubling about this whole affair.


18 posted on 01/09/2014 3:58:08 PM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger than yours)
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To: Uncle Chip

I’m thinking they’ll have a verdict before the end of tomorrow.
If these jurors have any common sense.


19 posted on 01/09/2014 4:00:22 PM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger than yours)
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To: Uncle Chip

What I’m amazed by, is that it took 2 1/2 years to bring this to trial.


20 posted on 01/09/2014 4:02:44 PM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger than yours)
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To: truth_seeker

Do you know how old Thomas was? Seems he’d have been relatively young?


21 posted on 01/09/2014 4:04:25 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: EDINVA

He was 37


22 posted on 01/09/2014 4:05:57 PM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger than yours)
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To: SeaDragon

Ping, this is the case I was telling you about.


23 posted on 01/09/2014 4:46:23 PM PST by RikaStrom ("To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." ~Voltaire)
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To: FBD

Than. Horrible. Both that he was mentally troubled and homeless, AND, apparently/allegedly, murdered by these cops.


24 posted on 01/09/2014 5:09:53 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: FBD
I suppose some of them might think that’s appropriate dispensation of justice.

Oh yes. Hilarious. Keel over laughing funny. And, the stupid civilian gets to have a misdemeanor arrest, fingerprints and DNA taken to the database (Oh, and be forever flagged on NICS so prole can never buy a gun without a waiting period). So funny, I can't s*** right. Oh gosh, cops can be so funny!

I am literally crapping myself in appreciation.

I forgot: The stupid civilian with the Migraine Headache gets to go to jail for a few days R & R.

25 posted on 01/09/2014 5:27:16 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: FBD

(And we’re talking about a cop who loves to beat people up maybe getting a few months in the slammer.)


26 posted on 01/09/2014 5:29:37 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: RikaStrom

Hiya RikaChicka! I have had your tagline ensconced in a print-out over my desk at work for many months now. I like Voltaire. Just shows.

This story pisses me off.


27 posted on 01/09/2014 5:34:22 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: FBD
If the jury doesn't reach a verdict Thursday, they will continue deliberating on Monday.

Now that's strange.

What are they going to do Friday thru Sunday -- go to Disneyland or Knotts Berry Farm???

28 posted on 01/09/2014 6:13:35 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Alaska Wolf

Ping.


29 posted on 01/09/2014 6:24:38 PM PST by sport
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To: FBD

If it weren’t for John & Ken on KFI radio I wouldn’t know a THING about this case. Kudos to them.

Don’t trust this jury. I give it 50-50 that the two murderers walk.


30 posted on 01/09/2014 6:30:44 PM PST by Bon of Babble (Don't want to brag...but I can still fit into the earrings I wore in high school!!)
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To: Bon of Babble

50-50? Is this what John and Ken have been saying on KFI?
That’s not very reassuring.


31 posted on 01/09/2014 11:08:44 PM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger than yours)
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To: FBD

Has anyone been watching the case? I believe that often prosecutors accidentally-on-purpose do things to blow cases against their LE buddies, then the juries take the heat. I hope that doesn’t happen here.


32 posted on 01/11/2014 10:01:04 AM PST by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

We’ll see today what the verdict is I believe


33 posted on 01/13/2014 1:34:57 AM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger than yours)
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