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Chamber of Commerce: Only Permanent Democratic Party Rule Can Solve Entitlements Crisis
Frontpage ^ | January 9, 2014 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 01/10/2014 7:04:24 AM PST by xzins

I’m confused myself, but they are a chamber… of commerce, so I assume that their plan to turn America into a one-party Democratic country is really well thought out and not at all like the time the insurance industry and medical associations decided to back ObamaCare in the hopes that short term gains would be worth destroying the Constitution.

Thomas Donohue, the president and CEO of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, declared 2014 the “year of immigration reform,” Wednesday, during his annual state of American business address.

“We’re determined to make 2014 the year that immigration reform is finally enacted,” Donohue said. “The chamber will pull out all the stops—through grassroots lobbying, communications, politics and partnerships with our friends in the union, and faith-based organizations, and law enforcement groups, and others to get this job done.”

And if that doesn’t work, they’ll slip them some briefcases full of Zimbabwean trillion dollar bills under the table. But why does the Chamber of Commerce want to legalize 12 million illegal aliens?

Immigration reform was one of several items on the chamber’s agenda for 2014. Other reforms he endorsed included expanding domestic energy production, delaying or repealing the employer mandate under Obamacare, and comprehensive tax reform to lower rates and simplify the code.

The Chamber of Commerce wants to add 12 million illegal aliens from Mexico to the voting rolls… and it wants to lower taxes.

One of these things is not compatible with the other. As the C of C would figure out if it took a closer look at California. It can have lower taxes or it can have illegal alien amnesty.

It can’t have both.

So the Chamber of Commerce has to pick what it cares about more; lower tax rates or illegal alien amnesty.

Donohue also warned that the entitlement crisis is the “most predictable crisis in American history.” By 2023 entitlement spending and interest on the debt will account for 76 percent of government outlays, he said, increasing federal spending to nearly $6 trillion per year.

Even more predictably, adding millions to the welfare class, along with their elderly relatives from Mexico, will drastically increase entitlements spending. And spending in general.

Imagine a new future where Obama and Elizabeth Warren and Bill de Blasio are the future instead of temporary aberrations. Good luck with your entitlements crisis under permanently left-wing rule.

This is why challenging C of C candidates in primaries is justified unless they disavow immigration reform (amnesty) because whether or not the seat is held by a pro-amnesty Republican or a Democrat, amnesty will mean permanent Democratic Party rule in under two decades.

“It’s time for our leaders to act like leaders, to tell the American people the truth,” Donohue said, “and to craft a fair, sensible plan to reform and save these vital programs.”

Donohue laid out a vision to “expand opportunity for all,” and argued immigration reform is vital to that aim.

“Throughout history, immigrants have brought innovation, ideas, investments, and dynamism to American enterprise,” he said. “And in terms of demographics, we need immigration.”

We have immigration. 1 million immigrants a year.

What Donohue means is that we need to have lots of cheap Mexican labor. And he pretends that those same cheap laborers will then bring “innovation, ideas and investments” instead of grabbing every benefit they can get the first chance that they get… and then vote Democrat to lock in those benefits.

Critics of the Senate’s immigration bill have argued that adding millions of immigrants and guest workers will harm the lagging economy and reduce American wages.  The “Gang of Eight” bill would add an estimated 30 million additional immigrants to the United States over the next decade at a time when the number of Americans not in the labor force has reached record highs.

I’m sure it won’t be a problem. Not with unemployment insurance for life. Which Donohue absolutely opposes, but which his support for illegal alien amnesty will lead to.

“2013 we liked,” Donohue said. “We made a deal in the Senate, we did that with a cooperative basis with the AFL-CIO, and with lots of other people, then we started working in the House, where I believe we’ve received a very positive response—a different way of doing business—435 people, not just 100 of them.”

“I’ve been encouraged by a lot of the noise and soundings out of the House, and I’m not discouraged when every now and then I wake up in the morning to see a story about some reason it’s not going to work,” he said. “Four hundred and thirty five people have to go home and run for office, and I think we’re going to get this done.”

This may be the final battle for America. If they “get this done”, it’s all over but the shouting.

 


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KEYWORDS: amnesty; chamberofcommerce; illegals; thomasdonohue
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1 posted on 01/10/2014 7:04:24 AM PST by xzins
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To: All
This is why challenging C of C candidates in primaries is justified unless they disavow immigration reform (amnesty) because whether or not the seat is held by a pro-amnesty Republican or a Democrat, amnesty will mean permanent Democratic Party rule in under two decades.
2 posted on 01/10/2014 7:04:50 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins; SunkenCiv

I heard Mr. Donohue at a convention in 2010, and he made so much sense that somebody in the audience shouted out that he should run for president. Either he has changed his opinions since then, or he wasn’t one of us to begin with.


3 posted on 01/10/2014 7:09:36 AM PST by Berosus (I wish I had as much faith in God as liberals have in government.)
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To: Berosus

I feel like I live in this film lately.
4 posted on 01/10/2014 7:11:24 AM PST by Phillyred
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To: xzins

Just one quick question:

We are always hearing about how Social Security is going to run out of money.

How come we never hear about Welfare running out of money?


5 posted on 01/10/2014 7:12:20 AM PST by EXCH54FE (Hurricane 416,Feisty Old Vet !!)
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To: xzins

The “American” Chamber of Commerce isn’t any more.

Get lost Chamber.

No more immigration, until we bring back American jobs.

None.


6 posted on 01/10/2014 7:13:59 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: All
Just wait til struggling Americans (fighting to keep their heads above-water)
find out about Obama and Senate Dems' wholesale giveaway of their tax dollars
:

<><> hands over a perpetual $100 million per year slush fund to blood-thirsty La Raza,

<><> absolves latinos holding US govt office who commit govt fraud,

<><> finances armies of invaders to take back the SW....w/ our tax dollars.

<><> allows illegals to steal SS nos and use multiple identiites with complete impunity,

<><> allows illegals to milk the EITC refund program with no limits.

==================================================================

LOCK-STEPPING DEMOCRAT PARTY LOYALTY NOT SEEN SINCE 1940'S ERA Europe Hooray---now we can add the Senate amnesty bill to lock-stepping Dems "straight party-line votes" (includes their historic party-line vote for the lovely Obamacare).

ANOTHER DEMOCRAT GIVEAWAY Now the ossified Demons want to force-feed America an immigration system that chauffers across the border foreign terrorists and mass murderers to suck-off the backs of we, the people, struggling hard-working citizenry already burdened with the costs of Boobamba's cockamamie Marxism.

THE DNC is lying in wait at the border w/ voter registration forms.....ready to register US govt parasites, welfare breeders, terrorists, mass murderers, and other mental defectives, strolling into the US---using multiple identities, falsified documents, and stolen SS nos.

================================================

MEMO TO CofC, VOTE CRAZED DEMS, AND BOOBAMBA
NO WAY will struggling Americans be forced to finance our own destruction.

7 posted on 01/10/2014 7:14:34 AM PST by Liz
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To: xzins

are these people mental???


8 posted on 01/10/2014 7:15:29 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: xzins

Stick a fork in the C Of C, they are finished.


9 posted on 01/10/2014 7:15:58 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: xzins; Liz
I know that Chamber wants those new *legal* workers for obvious reasons = $$$$, but in the process they are willing to give illegals the eventual vote, yet they also want a congress to raise the age for SS and medicare.

But how many of the illegals given citizenship would vote for a politician, say Paul Ryan, who ran on that?

So notice that the age raising and the citizen both get delayed many years after a possible passage.

10 posted on 01/10/2014 7:18:27 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Phillyred

Gah! Just watched that again not too long ago. A very excellent story so poorly executed...


11 posted on 01/10/2014 7:19:30 AM PST by SwankyC (Democrats and Republicans agree, govt coercion is OK if it fits your idea of whats OK)
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To: xzins
This country had might as well say good by to our way of life. rich Republicans like the Chamber of Commerce with their fecklessness, duplicitous and treachery are now as much to blame as rich liberals. They need to pay their taxes. The only ting of a conservative nature we accomplishe din the lat 20 years was lowering their taxes. And the more we lower them the more they see the governement as a source of income rather than a tax burden/ We need to raise their taxes and we need to raise themas soon as possible. They spend the money so they pay for it.
12 posted on 01/10/2014 7:22:21 AM PST by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing Corksucker.)
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To: xzins

The Chamber of Commerce is now the Chamber of Corporatism. The masks are coming off. The Republican Party is really the Progressive Corporatism party. The “fundamental transformation” is happening.


13 posted on 01/10/2014 7:24:57 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: All
Thomas Donohue, Chamber president and CEO, declared 2014 the “year of immigration reform.” “We’re determined to make 2014 the year that immigration reform is finally enacted. The chamber will pull out all the stops—through grassroots lobbying, communications, politics and partnerships with our friends in the union, and faith-based organizations, and law enforcement groups, and others to get this job done”.

Whoa, Nellie---before the Chamber jumps on board, they better do a little due diligence.

ALL OF THAT POLITICAL LOCKSTEPPING IS REDOLENT OF 1940'S-ERA EUROPE Does the Chamber know the US Senate voted in lockstep to advance Third World goals (in exchange for votes---to fulfill the Dream of a permanent Democrat majority)?

THE CHAMBER SHOULD ASK----ARE LAWMAKERS COLLUDING TO EFFECT A PUTSCH? IS A THIRD WORLD COUPE D'ETAT IN THE OFFING? The not so well-hidden hidden agenda seems to have specific goals:

<><> (1) undermining US ntl security,

<><> (2) aiding and abetting crimes against Americans,

<><> (3) financing Third World political goals w/ US tax dollars,

<><> (4) suppressing dissent.

14 posted on 01/10/2014 7:27:13 AM PST by Liz
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To: EXCH54FE
How come we never hear about Welfare running out of money?

Welfare never pretended to be self-funding with a lockbox* to save the overpayments since the 1980s like Social Security. There's always more welfare money to pass out to get votes.

15 posted on 01/10/2014 7:27:41 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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To: xzins

People forget that Carlos Slim, the richest man in the world, is based in Mexico. The Elites in Mexico, the Chamber of Commerce types, live like kings. The high taxes and high regulation doesn’t matter to the Insiders in Mexico, they are made exempt, it hurts their competition, and they benefit from the government largess.
When America fully descends into the Third world pit its not going to affect the personal lifestyles of the top leadership of the Chamber of Commerce one bit. In fact they’ll become richer and more powerful.


16 posted on 01/10/2014 7:28:50 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: xzins
“Throughout history, immigrants have brought innovation, ideas, investments, and dynamism to American enterprise,” he said. “And in terms of demographics, we need immigration.”

We have immigration. 1 million immigrants a year.

What Donohue means is that we need to have lots of cheap Mexican labor. And he pretends that those same cheap laborers will then bring “innovation, ideas and investments” instead of grabbing every benefit they can get the first chance that they get… and then vote Democrat to lock in those benefits.

The only job Thomas Donohue knows how to 'protect' is his own... that includes the massive donations that come from sleazy industries that fill their bellies with cheap labor. Eff you Donohue. We're onto you game.

17 posted on 01/10/2014 7:29:42 AM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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To: xzins
What Donohue means is that we need to have lots of cheap Mexican labor. And he pretends that those same cheap laborers will then bring “innovation, ideas and investments” instead of grabbing every benefit they can get the first chance that they get… and then vote Democrat to lock in those benefits.

The only job Thomas Donohue knows how to 'protect' is his own... including his massive donations from sleazy industries that fill their bellies with cheap labor. Eff you Thomas Donohue. We're onto you game.

18 posted on 01/10/2014 7:31:40 AM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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To: SwankyC

Yeah, I am scared to watch it again cause it will probably ruin my memories of it. It was so great the first time, but I was only 12.


19 posted on 01/10/2014 7:34:20 AM PST by Phillyred
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To: Berosus

The CoC was possibly our best ally leading up to 2010. They were so effective on informing the public about Obamacare and damaging Obama that they were singled out the State of the Union. Essentially, the enemies list.

I have no clue what is driving this change, but they have always been for amnesty, and something more is driving this political action against conservatives. I think it is a chronic case of the beltway syndrome where they consult with the McConnells and Boehners of the world and have collected decided to blame the right for their own failures in DC of defeat by Obama. It is stupid, short-sighted, and as this article mentioned...it’s going to either results in a permanent left-wing democrat majority or a third party that does equal damage.


20 posted on 01/10/2014 7:35:50 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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To: amnestynone

You’re on the wrong site.


21 posted on 01/10/2014 7:39:25 AM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: EXCH54FE

Do you really want to treat SS the same as welfare?

I don’t see much difference myself to tell you the truth. One’s means tested, the other isn’t.


22 posted on 01/10/2014 7:42:15 AM PST by DManA
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To: SgtHooper

“You’re on the wrong site.”

No I am not. The country club establishment Republicans need to pay for what they are doing and the best way is to make them pay for it.


23 posted on 01/10/2014 7:48:53 AM PST by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing Corksucker.)
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To: xzins

How bad can it get? The Chamber of Commerce has lost its mind. It sounds like it prefers a dictatorship to run America. What in the world is going on?


24 posted on 01/10/2014 7:51:10 AM PST by mulligan
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To: mulligan
What in the world is going on?

This says that everything you believed about the republican party from the 80's to about 2004 (the Bush amnesty push) is no longer true.

They either stopped being who we thought they were, or they never were who we thought they were.

25 posted on 01/10/2014 7:58:24 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Donahue is an arrogant, evil bastard.


26 posted on 01/10/2014 8:03:42 AM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office)
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To: xzins

I think it’s about time go give up on this country. It’s a cesspool of welfare addicts and fascist corporations that seek an ever expanding tyrannical government. Not to mention the 50+million babies aborted.
God’s judgement will be terrible.


27 posted on 01/10/2014 8:07:14 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: xzins

It reminds me of a cartoon I saw once.

It had a five star general slamming his fist on his desk saying:

“The only way to save the planet is though all out full scale nuclear war!”


28 posted on 01/10/2014 8:10:33 AM PST by PATRIOT1876
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To: EXCH54FE

Where do you think the money in the social security trust fund went to. Welfare. The democrats want to own the entire united states and assign you a place to live, a job to perform, a minimum level of medical care, and a small pittance to buy necessities. Medicaid is not free, your estate and children have to pay for the amount of money you used out of it while you were alive. They are trying to change medicare to the same setup. The death tax will take everything you have built up to leave your children and the lawyers will take what’s left.


29 posted on 01/10/2014 8:11:25 AM PST by macglencoe (You see what the left hand is doing, but you should be watching the right hand.)
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To: amnestynone; SgtHooper

Hi Sgt. You need to read amnesty a little closer. I think a little sarcasm was being used.

What was said was, “Since they’re just using their corporate position to roll in taxpayer dollars and use taxpayer dollars for their own benefit”, then they might as well get more highly taxed so at least they’re spending some of their own money.


30 posted on 01/10/2014 8:11:56 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

This guy is the head of the ‘Chamber of Commerce”???

I must have lost something in translation-—


31 posted on 01/10/2014 8:17:28 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles

Absolutely mind-boggling, isn’t it?


32 posted on 01/10/2014 8:18:21 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
Over 10 million unemployed isn't enough?
33 posted on 01/10/2014 8:23:28 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Sooth2222

They truly want to kill the middle class.


34 posted on 01/10/2014 8:24:39 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: amnestynone
No I am not. The country club establishment Republicans need to pay for what they are doing and the best way is to make them pay for it.

When you are in a hole, it is best to stop digging.

If taxes are raised on the corporations that make up the Chamber, who do you think funds their payments of those taxes?

Your emphasis on the taxation side of the equation is curious. Why no emphasis on the spending side - which is where the vast bulk of our problem exists?

35 posted on 01/10/2014 8:24:54 AM PST by MortMan (Is a delayed shower a "stay of exablution"?)
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To: xzins

Illegal aliens are supposedly “doing the jobs that Americans won’t do.”

Well if we legalize these people and make them Americans, then who is going to do those jobs?

The fact of the matter is that most illegal aliens are doing jobs that Americans would love to do, but the illegal aliens are just willing to do them under the table, with no liability for taxes, workers comp insurance, payroll taxes... and to top it off in addition to getting paid under the table the children of these illegal aliens are getting food stamps and welfare benefits because their parents are allegedly not earning a living.

The only thing that amnesty will do is to guarantee that another 12 million of these scofflaws will “immigrate” here illegally in the next decade.

The idea of granting these people amnesty is national suicide.


36 posted on 01/10/2014 8:25:18 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: grumpygresh

Agree. Western civilization itself may not see the end of this century. The Left and Islam are ascendant, and the world’s beacon of freedom is too frightened to even identify them as the enemy.


37 posted on 01/10/2014 8:31:47 AM PST by Jacquerie (Article V.)
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To: P-Marlowe
The only thing that amnesty will do is to guarantee that another 12 million of these scofflaws will “immigrate” here illegally in the next decade.

That seems certain and especially if total control of borders, coasts, and visas is not first enacted as so many have pointed out.

And since total control will NOT be enacted, one has to wonder what the end game is.

I'm leaning more and more to a serfdom called "The United American Nations" (US, Canada, Mexico, all the way down to Panama eventually) as their objective.

38 posted on 01/10/2014 8:38:21 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: MortMan
“If taxes are raised on the corporations that make up the Chamber, who do you think funds their payments of those taxes?”

Who pays the taxes? They do! That is why they fight taxes like hell. Do you think they are actually doing it just to help us middle class people? Why are they moving out of high tax states? Just because they don't want to pass their taxes onto us?

“Your emphasis on the taxation side of the equation is curious. Why no emphasis on the spending side - which is where the vast bulk of our problem exists? “

Of course spending is the problem. But it becomes more of a problem when the people who run the country don't have to pay high taxes. The more we lower them on wealthy individuals then the more they spend. Don't tell me you don't see a correlation. The more we have lowered taxes on the rich and on the corporations the more they become Democrats and the more feckless, duplicitous and treacherous the remaining Republican establishment country clubbers becomes. Again, the more government becomes a source of income and the less it becomes an oppressive tax burden the more we get stabbed in the back.

39 posted on 01/10/2014 9:15:01 AM PST by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing Corksucker.)
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To: xzins

If there is or was any sort of doubt as to where this is coming from, there should not be now.


40 posted on 01/10/2014 9:19:43 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: amnestynone
Who pays the taxes? They do! That is why they fight taxes like hell.

If this is what you truly believe, you are economically illiterate. Consider this question: Where do the businesses get the money to pay their increased taxes?

The more we lower them on wealthy individuals then the more they spend.

You may wish to look up the facts on the difference between wealth taxes and income taxes. The income tax is a barrier to the accumulation of wealth.

Politicians don't spend public money because they have too much of their own. They spend public money because it buys them power (votes) while leaving their own pile of wealth unharmed.

I'm sorry, but I find your argument simplistic, naive, and wrong.

41 posted on 01/10/2014 9:29:09 AM PST by MortMan (Is a delayed shower a "stay of exablution"?)
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To: Berosus

Donohue is an opportunist. Nothing more and nothing less.

He was the head of the Truck-Trailer Association 25 to 30 years ago. That is an organization of Truck and Trailer manufacturers who lobby against stupid Government rules and regulations (I could tell you quite a story about anti-lock brakes). He was known as “Snow White and the 7-dwarfs” back then because of his snow white hair and numerous staff assistants. He got absolutely nothing done, but he could make a really great speech.

He left there to go to a larger organization and left them to go to the Chamber of Commerce. He has been failing upwards for as long as I have known about him.


42 posted on 01/10/2014 10:41:33 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: MortMan
“If this is what you truly believe, you are economically illiterate. Consider this question: Where do the businesses get the money to pay their increased taxes?”

Where do they get their money to pay their increased taxes. That is crazy. Their taxes have been reduced. They have lower rates then at any time since Truman. When government is 35% of the economy and the Dem's can hand out public money to clientize business just like they do the poor and public employee unions where do you think they get a lot of their money? From the government! Again when government becomes a greater source of income then taxes are a burden then they no longer care about limiting public spending. Politicians may spend public money but the establishment GOP has become a partner in them spending money. They do nothing to stop it because they no longer find the taxes burdensome compared to what they get from government. Talk about me being naive if you and the rest of us conservatives don't wake up to new paradigms and dynamics in what is happening we will be buried faster then you think.

43 posted on 01/10/2014 12:02:19 PM PST by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing Corksucker.)
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To: amnestynone

Now you’re lapsing into amnesia.

You are advocating increasing their taxes. YOU are advocating that they pay more.

Corporations do not pay taxes - they pass the extra costs onto their consumers, or if the extra costs are high enough, they go out of business.

You also seem to conflate unions and businesses. That’s a boat load of serious confusion.

Sorry - but you are economically illiterate. And politically naive.


44 posted on 01/10/2014 12:25:00 PM PST by MortMan (Is a delayed shower a "stay of exablution"?)
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To: MortMan

Then why does business fight taxes so much? Of course they pay them. True their may be some that they can pass on but business fights taxes because basically they pay them.period. If they are going to spend more then why shouldn’t the people who run this country pay for it. That makes perfect sense to me. Then when they stop spending we can lower their taxes. That seems fair tome as well. We as conservatives (myself included) made a serious mistake in lowering corporate and upper class taxes with out seeing a reduction in spending. The more we have lowered their taxes the fewer wealthy Republicans their are and the more feckless the remaining ones have become. They think they can pass amnesty and not pay the price for the demographic changes they are committing we should show them they are wrong.


45 posted on 01/10/2014 12:46:06 PM PST by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing Corksucker.)
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To: GOPJ

These morons do not understand taht the labor won’t be cheap once they’re legalized. Do they suppose that a legalized alien will continue to work for the same wages as an illegal?


46 posted on 01/10/2014 12:46:18 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: amnestynone

I’m not going to try and disabuse you of your untrue beliefs. As I said before, you are economically illiterate.

I will, however, point out to you that you are using the exact class warfare language the dems use about business and “upper class” taxes.

Have a good day.


47 posted on 01/10/2014 2:48:41 PM PST by MortMan (Is a delayed shower a "stay of exablution"?)
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To: MortMan
This is the reality conservatism is a middle class value. It may not of used to be but that is what it is now. I think you are being very naive if you think you can just let these upper class Republicans and Democrats stab you in the back which they are doing by pushing amnesty and spending all of the money and using their media to smear the rest of us. If fat cat GOPers want a tax break than:
1. secure the border.
2. Help us reduce spending.
3 give us a fair media.

As far as being economically illiterate you have to pay when you spend. Since the political class refuses to cut spending they will just have to pay for It. If that is class struggle so be it. We are dealing with a new realitry and that is that the rich are now the socialists and the rest of you are just going to have to get used to it.

48 posted on 01/10/2014 3:06:11 PM PST by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing Corksucker.)
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To: jospehm20
These morons do not understand taht the labor won’t be cheap once they’re legalized. Do they suppose that a legalized alien will continue to work for the same wages as an illegal?

Studies have backed up what you're saying jospehm. As soon as they're legal they stop picking crops and gardening for rich liberal elites... and they start competing with American who have been here legally for decades.

The only jobs Congress 'protects' is their own... It's almost impossible to run against an incumbent because the little sh*ts wrote laws making it impossible. Congressmen - left and right - read those bills....

49 posted on 01/10/2014 7:55:14 PM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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To: amnestynone

You really need to separate your economic thoughts from your political ones. I am a business owner. If my costs, including taxes, rise to the point where I cannot support my business, then I have to either raise my prices or go out of business. There is no other choice.

With regard to the political side, I’m amused at you lecturing me on what needs to happen. You need to get over yourself.

Securing the border is a national priority - for sovereignty reasons.

Reducing spending is a priority, but “we the people” cannot directly affect it. The RINO class of republican has shown an unwillingness to reduce spending - only (at best) to reduce the rate of increase in deficit spending.

With respect to the media, you are begging to have the government broach the first amendment. If the media is to be forced to be fair by the government, then the government gets to decide what “fair” is, and regulates the content that the media can present. That is not possible with a valid and vibrant first amendment.

If we want a fair media, then we the people need to push the media in a more neutral direction, but NOT through government.

I;m sorry if these truths do not fit into your fantasy of what government should be. But they are truths nonetheless. If you wish to, you can rant at me further in this thread, but I will likely not respond unless you actually start to answer the questions already posed to you (another liberal tactic), and if you start to ask sensable questions.

I suspect we agree on a number of issues, FRiend. But I also know that you seriously misunderstand economic reality.


50 posted on 01/10/2014 9:39:40 PM PST by MortMan (Is a delayed shower a "stay of exablution"?)
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