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Twenty years later... The "THWACK" heard around the world.
youtube ^ | 11 Jan 14

Posted on 01/10/2014 9:28:49 PM PST by Drew68

Debating this on another forum... What do you all think?

Prior to her infamy, was Tonya Harding not the best skater in the world?

History of the Triple Axel


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KEYWORDS: anniversary; iceskating; nancykerrigan; olympics; tonyaharding
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1 posted on 01/10/2014 9:28:49 PM PST by Drew68
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She appears at about 1:20 in the video.


2 posted on 01/10/2014 9:32:28 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68

Tonya Harding was a thug and should have done prison time.


3 posted on 01/10/2014 9:33:08 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar
Tonya Harding was a thug and should have done prison time.

Indeed, she was a hard girl, a smoking, drinking, ass-kicking trailer trash hussy. But watching some of those "pre-clubbing" videos makes it clear that she was also a world-class athlete.

4 posted on 01/10/2014 9:38:49 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68

I always thought Nancy Kerrigan was kind of not-guilty, but that incident ruined her, I think.

She never recovered from the “Why? Why?” sobbing.

I felt kind of bad for her...she was obviously pretty terrified, and in the new age, everything showed up on film.


5 posted on 01/10/2014 9:42:51 PM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: Drew68

“best”?

Probably not. Otherwise, she would not have felt the need to have Nancy Kerrigan assaulted.


6 posted on 01/10/2014 9:44:30 PM PST by MortMan (Is a delayed shower a "stay of exablution"?)
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To: Drew68

Meissner or Ito

Harding has great height but there is just something missing.


7 posted on 01/10/2014 9:44:37 PM PST by Sequoyah101
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To: Drew68

She didn’t have to THWACK her opposition and be world champion in order to make a good living from her reputation in her sport.

She just needed a good agent.


8 posted on 01/10/2014 9:44:57 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Drew68

Couldn’t believe there’s a movie coming out about this event. Didn’t Harding descend into wrestling or maybe even mud wrestling? (my neighbor says porn too, but I’m not so sure about that).

Tonya Harding finished 4th in the 1992 Olympics. She looks terrible now, reflection of her hard life.


9 posted on 01/10/2014 9:45:09 PM PST by Bon of Babble (Don't want to brag...but I can still fit into the earrings I wore in high school!!)
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To: Drew68

I didn’t see the grace in her moves across the ice.Now peggy Fleming was a different story as I remember.


10 posted on 01/10/2014 9:46:07 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: rlmorel
I always thought Nancy Kerrigan was kind of not-guilty, but that incident ruined her, I think.

Sure, but if you watch the vide posted, you don't see Nancy Kerrigan. You don't see Kristy Yamaguchi. You don't see Oksana Baiul...

You see Tonya Harding land the 3A over and over and over again, making it look easy.

11 posted on 01/10/2014 9:48:12 PM PST by Drew68
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE
I didn’t see the grace in her moves across the ice.

No. You saw power. Harding could land a 3A and dunk a basketball. Look at how high she's in the air.

12 posted on 01/10/2014 9:50:25 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Bon of Babble
Tonya Harding finished 4th in the 1992 Olympics. She looks terrible now, reflection of her hard life.

Actually, she finished 18th in the 1994 Olympics. She botched it. Kerrigan won the silver and Ukraine's Oksana Baiul won the gold in perhaps the most viewed event at Lillehammer.

13 posted on 01/10/2014 9:53:43 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68

The best description I heard of Tonya Harding at the Olympics was that she was “a dump truck at a sports car rally.”


14 posted on 01/10/2014 9:56:01 PM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: Drew68

Tonya's put on some weight.

15 posted on 01/10/2014 9:57:31 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Drew68

Oh, gosh. I don’t dispute that at all.

But that isn’t really the point, is it?

Aaron Hernandez was a great tight end with a huge amount of talent. But his ability is the equivalent of a skid mark on white underwear to me.

Same with Harding.


16 posted on 01/10/2014 9:58:30 PM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: henkster
The best description I heard of Tonya Harding at the Olympics was that she was “a dump truck at a sports car rally.”

Oh, she was a wreck at Lillehammer, no doubt about that.

But prior, she was awesome.

17 posted on 01/10/2014 10:00:03 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68

She had plenty of raw power, but no grace.

And that was her life off the ice, too.


18 posted on 01/10/2014 10:03:16 PM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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And that was her life off the ice, too.

Nah, She's redeemed herself over the years. She's not evil.

I'll tell you what though, Hollywood couldn't have ever come up with a better story...

19 posted on 01/10/2014 10:11:09 PM PST by Drew68
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

Peggy Fleming has always been a class act, whereas Sonja Harding, it’s like having Sandra Bullock standing next to Lindsay Lohan, a contrast in styles.


20 posted on 01/10/2014 10:14:01 PM PST by lee martell
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To: Drew68

Didn’t say she was evil. She “lacks grace.” As do most ladies with the word “Lot” in their address.


21 posted on 01/10/2014 10:15:16 PM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: Drew68

I always had a soft spot for Tonya, because she tried hard to escape the sewer she was born into and got pretty far before the grifters around her pulled her back down into it.


22 posted on 01/10/2014 10:17:07 PM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Bon of Babble

She never did straighten up did she?


23 posted on 01/10/2014 10:17:11 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Drew68

“She’s redeemed herself over the years”

Are you sure about that?


24 posted on 01/10/2014 10:17:44 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Drew68

Powerful skater, too bad she threw it away. I imagine the USFSA’ s lifetime ban on competing or coaching is harder on her than a prison term would have been.


25 posted on 01/10/2014 10:19:54 PM PST by kalee
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To: Drew68

She must have “redeemed” herself in the past 6 years apparently

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On March 11, 2007, the Clark County sheriff’s office responded to two calls related to her.[61] The first call was from Harding, at 5 a.m. She told the officer who responded that she had observed five armed intruders trying to steal her vehicle and hide rifles on her property. The responding officer’s report described her as “agitated” and her story as “very implausible,” and recorded her frustration that others could not see the people she saw. He could find no evidence to back up her claims. The second call, four hours later, at 9 a.m., was from a friend who had agreed to let her visit. Her host told police that although she was not violent, she was “tweaking out, seeing animals,” and she was worried about her children’s safety. She requested police return her to her home. Police reported that the officer who returned to her home inspected her house, to reassure her, and advised her to seek medical help. Linda Lewis, her longtime agent, attributed her behavior to a bad reaction to legitimate prescription drugs.


26 posted on 01/10/2014 10:20:03 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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I guess sometimes you really can’t get the trailer park out of the girl


27 posted on 01/10/2014 10:21:02 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Bon of Babble

Didn’t she go into womens boxing?

Which IMO is far more admirable than (fake) wrestling.


28 posted on 01/10/2014 10:30:14 PM PST by Bullish (America should yank Obama like a rotten tooth before he poisons the entire body)
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To: Drew68

Her skating was good athletically, but lacked a certain gracefulness and beauty.


29 posted on 01/10/2014 10:42:56 PM PST by informavoracious (Root for Obamacare and healthcare.gov failure!)
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To: Drew68

Didn’t she film her first wedding night as a sex video thing? Or was that some other skater?


30 posted on 01/10/2014 10:45:38 PM PST by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: Drew68

Power yes, finesse not so much.


31 posted on 01/10/2014 10:53:51 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Bullish

3 wins, 3 losses, no draws


32 posted on 01/10/2014 10:56:29 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL

Perfect example of why meth should be legal. /s


33 posted on 01/10/2014 11:01:47 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Drew68

To me the attack was a turning point. It represented the dawning of a new era. There was really something wrong when a woman would resort to these tactics especially in a sport like olympic figure skating. And then what followed in short order but OJ killing Nicole and then the OK City bombing. I guess it dawned on me then that we weren’t in Kansas anymore.


34 posted on 01/10/2014 11:14:37 PM PST by No One Special
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To: No One Special

You think that was the first time a woman sicced a man on another woman?


35 posted on 01/10/2014 11:15:59 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL

So it WAS boxing then, Geron?


36 posted on 01/10/2014 11:23:19 PM PST by Bullish (America should yank Obama like a rotten tooth before he poisons the entire body)
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To: Bullish

Yes, after she had appeared on FOX’s “Celebrity Boxing” she tried it for reals


37 posted on 01/10/2014 11:26:42 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL

Like where and when and who.


38 posted on 01/10/2014 11:29:23 PM PST by No One Special
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To: GeronL

Oh, thanks I couldn’t recall all that.


39 posted on 01/10/2014 11:34:46 PM PST by Bullish (America should yank Obama like a rotten tooth before he poisons the entire body)
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To: GeronL

I think she tried, but didn’t have much chance of success due to the baggage she carried.


40 posted on 01/10/2014 11:47:50 PM PST by kalee
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To: Valpal1
I always had a soft spot for Tonya, because she tried hard to escape the sewer she was born into and got pretty far before the grifters around her pulled her back down into it.

Well said. It is not easy escaping from a "trailer trash" upbringing. Tonya almost made it out of that world but unfortunately she kept too many low-rent types around her and they eventually did her in.

During that time, I had a soft spot for Tonya and figured Nancy to be a bit of an elitist snob, so even though the scumbags around Tonya did wrong by clubbing Nancy with a collapsible baton (they originally spoke of assassinating her), I did kind of root for Tonya to kick Nancy's butt in those Olympics.

That said, many people assume that the Kerrigan girl had a privileged life and came from wealth. However, that is not true either. She came from a working class background and has a little "white trash" in her family as well. Case in point is her loser drunk of a brother, while living in his parents basement (never a good sign for a 45-year-old man), was accused of killing their father in a fistfight while in a drunken rage. He was acquitted of manslaughter, mainly due to the fact that the father was not in good health to begin with, but ended up doing some hard time for assault and battery.

Nancy escaped that world by marrying a wealthy yuppie-type. No Jeff Gillooly for Nancy!

Anyway, that was the one and only time in my life I ever had any interest in figure skating. Before and since, it's always been mostly a sissy thing for me. But during that brief period of time, it was like figure skating flirted with elements of pro wrestling and NASCAR.

41 posted on 01/11/2014 12:14:23 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Drew68

Guilty, beyond peradventure of doubt!

Release her, without a stain on her character!


42 posted on 01/11/2014 1:56:20 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Well, hey, at least Tonya doesn’t have a stache and green moss growing between her teeth. But there is still time.


43 posted on 01/11/2014 2:03:17 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: bobby.223

Yes, Harding was the one with the wedding night video.

I use Tonya Harding as sort of an analogy to our current government and new businesses. But Harding was held accountable where the government just keeps on taking out knees.


44 posted on 01/11/2014 2:16:53 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: informavoracious

They are all impressive athletes, but my own favorite from that era was the German skater Katarina Witt. So graceful and swift.


45 posted on 01/11/2014 2:20:15 AM PST by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil

Didn’t I see a couple of triple Lutz’s in there? The T-Axel jump starts with skates forward, the Lutz jump starts from a position skating backward (1/2 rotation shorter).

-Frank


46 posted on 01/11/2014 3:05:27 AM PST by thepoodlebites (and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.)
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To: Drew68

Tonya Harding was athletic but she had no grace. No beautiful flow of motion.
Instead of ballet-like graceful skating to the next jump she rushed to the next trick.
She was not pleasing to watch.


47 posted on 01/11/2014 3:59:46 AM PST by Vinnie
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Katerina Witt. I’m shaking thinking of her.:) My favorite, by far.
Pretty, powerful, graceful. The complete package.


48 posted on 01/11/2014 4:09:56 AM PST by Vinnie
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To: Drew68

I watched this Documentary, SHARP EDGES (1986) about TONYA, a few weeks ago. It is quite good, following her while training and competing for her first Nationals. She was 15. She had two coaches who cared about her and were essentially her Mothers. Her own Mother is interviewed and is a piece of work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GhzZOlP7MA


49 posted on 01/11/2014 5:48:42 AM PST by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: SamAdams76

Nancy married her manager. His ex-wife said Nancy broke up their marriage.


50 posted on 01/11/2014 5:51:47 AM PST by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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