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The Wars of Robert Gates
The Wall Street Journal ^ | January 10, 2014 | ROBERT M. GATES

Posted on 01/11/2014 12:26:58 PM PST by Hojczyk

For the first several months, it took a lot of discipline to sit quietly at the table as everyone from President Obama on down took shots at President Bush and his team. Sitting there, I would often think to myself, Am I invisible?

During these excoriations, there was never any acknowledgment that I had been an integral part of that earlier team. Discussions in the Situation Room allowed no room for discriminating analysis: Everything was awful, and Obama and his team had arrived just in time to save the day.

Our discussions soon turned to the war in Afghanistan. My years in the Bush administration had convinced me that creating a strong, democratic, and more or less honest and competent central government in Afghanistan was a fantasy. Our goal, I thought, should be limited to hammering the Taliban and other extremists and to building up the Afghan security forces so they could control the extremists and deny al Qaeda another safe haven in Afghanistan.

This pressure for an early decision on a troop increase had the unfortunate and lasting effect of creating suspicion in the White House that Obama was getting the "bum's rush" from senior military officers—especially the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Admiral Michael Mullen, and Gen. David Petraeus, who was then running the U.S. Central Command—to make a big decision prematurely. I believed then—and now—that this distrust was stoked by Vice President Joe Biden, with Deputy National Security Adviser Thomas Donilon, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel and some of Obama's other White House advisers joining the chorus.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: robertgates

1 posted on 01/11/2014 12:26:58 PM PST by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303848104579310772780856370

Looks like were in for big trouble …three more years of this…

The whole article is worth reading..


2 posted on 01/11/2014 12:30:30 PM PST by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

That Sunday meeting was unlike any I ever attended in the Oval Office. Obama said he had gathered the group principally to go through his decisions one more time to determine whether Mullen and Petraeus were fully on board. The commanders said what he wanted to hear, and I was pleased to hear my proposal being adopted.

Then came an exchange that is seared into my memory. Biden said he was ready to move forward, but the military “should consider the president’s decision as an order.”

“I am giving an order,” Obama quickly said.

I was shocked. I had never heard a president explicitly frame a decision as a direct order. With the U.S. military, it is completely unnecessary. As secretary of defense, I had never issued an “order” to get something done; nor had I heard any commander do so. Obama’s “order,” at Biden’s urging, demonstrated the complete unfamiliarity of both men with the American military culture.

The president announced the troop surge at West Point on Dec. 1. In the end, this major national security debate had been driven more by the White House staff and domestic politics than any other in my entire experience. The president’s political operatives wanted to make sure that everyone knew the Pentagon wouldn’t get its way.

Obama, however, made the tough decision to go forward with the Afghan surge—a decision that was contrary to the advice of all his political advisers and almost certainly the least politically popular of his options.


3 posted on 01/11/2014 12:32:57 PM PST by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

the Wall Street Journal was able to print this off under the threat of the entire media complex and it’s boss, Obama and Holder instead of an entire page of Christie the front runner’s (not the NJ Governor’s) abuse of power, OKA the republican’s forgetting that sainthood is a prerequisite for running for president, scandal?

The Journal might be mistaken for a special ops team.


4 posted on 01/11/2014 12:34:20 PM PST by stanne
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To: Hojczyk

. for later


5 posted on 01/11/2014 12:39:09 PM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: stanne

Robert Gates’ is the person who is most responsible for the ending of “Don’t ask, don’t tell.

Gates championed homosexual behavior in the military, and now heads the Boy Scouts.

It is people like Gates who are destroying the country.


6 posted on 01/11/2014 12:49:24 PM PST by Oak Grove (H)
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To: Oak Grove

I thought so as soon as they got him out of his post at AM.

He’s proved it ever since.


7 posted on 01/11/2014 12:51:08 PM PST by stanne
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To: stanne

A&M


8 posted on 01/11/2014 12:51:34 PM PST by stanne
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To: Hojczyk

OK, anyone else just want to puke when they read this complete article? Just once I would like to see someone of principle just get up, yell Bullsh!t, and resign in protest. Gates could easily have retired from civil service, changed the course of history and saved hundreds of lives. Instead, the lifelong, analyst, and a$$kisser just goes along to get along, even though he’s seething inside. Ok—why not speak the hell up? Sounds like McChrystal did, and got fired for it, because he had the spine to disagree, although they blamed the firing on something else, of course. Petreus and Mullen were no better than Gates. Where are the men of principle? They sure as hell aren’t running the government or the military.


9 posted on 01/11/2014 12:51:59 PM PST by binreadin
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To: Oak Grove

Gates runs the Boy Scouts?

Good gawd, worse than I thought it was. I already thought the BSA should be abandoned


10 posted on 01/11/2014 12:53:14 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL

What comes across is THE FOREIGNER and his REGIME were inexperienced radical america haters, and ad paranoid to it, who should have never been in a position with this much authority. THE FOREIGNER leads out of spite for this country instead of love.


11 posted on 01/11/2014 1:14:25 PM PST by spawn44 ( moo)
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To: Hojczyk
. . . . " I am giving an order " . . . ( Obama )

Freerepublic was the first to compile articles and information regarding the ongoing purge of top level American commanders in the field ( Middle East / Africa )

Now we see it's all true - Obama truly does fear a military coup of his administration. Why?

12 posted on 01/11/2014 1:14:35 PM PST by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: binreadin

Gates would not have changed the course of history if he had quit. It would have been forgotten within a week as the NYT led media quickly moved onto something else. McCrystal stepping down lasted about two days in the media...Gates would have been the same.


13 posted on 01/11/2014 1:16:18 PM PST by what's up
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To: Hojczyk

“I’m giving an order”

Lol. Someone learned how to be president by watching too many movies.


14 posted on 01/11/2014 1:19:08 PM PST by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: Hojczyk
Is Obama the first president in history to suspect a 7 Days in May scenario brewing within the ranks of the American peoples Armed Forces commanders? - maybe JFK did after BOP but certainly not from the very beginning.

Believe this . . . people who should know details, I guarantee you know just who "Obama" really is and where he comes from.

15 posted on 01/11/2014 1:25:24 PM PST by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: Hojczyk

If anyone knows the only thing that can fix America is a Civil War.. it’s GATES...

America is NOT setup to deal with a traitor as Commander in Chief..
WHo is in fact “the Trojan Horse” bringing all manner of enemies into rule as a Cabal or Junta..

Obama is punishment to the United States. for 75,000.000 murdered babies..
AND very many other “things”...

VOTING will not and can not cure the ills plaguing the United States..
ONLY a stampede by the sheep... that’s why we even HAVE a Second Amendment..


16 posted on 01/11/2014 1:37:57 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe

“I was a Wimpy Yes Man for Obama” - by Robert Gates


17 posted on 01/11/2014 1:43:51 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Oak Grove

“It is people like Gates who are destroying the country.”

This needs a correction

It is Gates, and others like him, who are destroying/enslaving the country


18 posted on 01/11/2014 2:05:46 PM PST by DanZ
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To: Hojczyk

My years in the Bush administration had convinced me that creating a strong, democratic, and more or less honest and competent central government in Afghanistan was a fantasy.

Smart man. That’s an impossibility in ANY Islamic State.


19 posted on 01/11/2014 2:15:06 PM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office)
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To: Oak Grove

Gates book is a valuable tool for conservatives. You and I speculate, but Gates was an eye witness to these things.IMO conservatives should be promoting this book as court room evidence of the treasonous behavior of the Commander in Chief.
I for one think it took guts to publish the book and that whether he realizes it or not, it is a gift to those of us who are Republican/conservative.


20 posted on 01/11/2014 2:15:34 PM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Hojczyk

Not if the GOP picks up ENOUGH seats in the Senate and House and purges RINOs like Linda Graham and Mitch McConnell, among others.

Then its IMPEACHMENT time, followed by INDICTMENT time!!!


21 posted on 01/11/2014 2:16:47 PM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office)
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To: elpadre

and what makes you think Gates can be trusted to tell the truth in the book when he spent so long as a foot stool to the Liar in Chief??


22 posted on 01/11/2014 2:19:31 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: binreadin; Hojczyk
There were a few things in this article that pissed me off, but oddly, it was this segment that really irritated me:

"..."In conclusion, Mr. President, this is a seminal moment in your presidency," I wrote. "If you elect not to agree to General McChrystal's recommendations (or my alternative), I urge you to make a tough-minded, dramatic change in mission [in] the other direction. Standing pat, middling options, muddling through, are not the right path forward and put our kids at risk for no good purpose..."

See, it isn't that I disagree with that statement, I actually DO agree with it. It is him referring to our military as "our kids".

Grrr. They are men and women. Many of them are kids at heart, but they have earned the right to be called men. It is typical liberal-speech.

23 posted on 01/11/2014 2:20:56 PM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: hosepipe

If the American people cannot even bear to vote out the two McCs, Cornball, Loveable Lindsey, Lamar!, Cochran et al, they can hardly do what is needed to survive.


24 posted on 01/11/2014 2:22:47 PM PST by Theodore R. (People in TX in 2014 cheer: Cornball and George P.!)
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To: what's up
“Gates would not have changed the course of history if he had quit. It would have been forgotten within a week as the NYT led media quickly moved onto something else. McChrystal stepping down lasted about two days in the media...Gates would have been the same.”

I certainly understand your cynicism, but Gates, with all his time with the CIA and Dept. of Defense could have used the drip-drip-drip method now being employed by Snowden, without divulging classified information. Just the knowledge he has of the parties involved, and their behavior, could have been leveraged. It is not honorable to be loyal to people who know no loyalty and have no principle. It is time for good people to stand up and make a difference.

25 posted on 01/11/2014 3:09:26 PM PST by binreadin
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To: binreadin

We’re dealing with a bunch of bureaucrats. No principles, no character, just what is politically expedient at the moment.


26 posted on 01/11/2014 3:41:21 PM PST by griswold3 (Post-Christian America is living on borrowed moral heritage)
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To: Hojczyk

“Is it a lack of respect for me?”

“Are [Petraeus, McChrystal and Mullen] trying to box me in?

What is wrong? Is it the process?

Are they suspicious of my politics?

Do they resent that I never served in the military?

Do they think because I’m young that I don’t see what they’re doing?”

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Pretty insecure, isn’t he?


27 posted on 01/11/2014 3:52:06 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: griswold3

You are absolutely right. It’s time for us to push back, hard.


28 posted on 01/11/2014 4:07:04 PM PST by binreadin
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To: Oak Grove
6 Robert Gates’ is the person who is most responsible for the ending of “Don’t ask, don’t tell. Gates championed homosexual behavior in the military, and now heads the Boy Scouts. It is people like Gates who are destroying the country.

As others have wrote here on FR, Gates thinking regarding the repeal of DADT might have been that he could influence matters to cause the least damage in our military. I think we can all agree now that his efforts were futile and misguided. Gates won't become the BSA national president until the end of MAY this year. Like others have said, I think Gates will crash the last, and remaining barrier in BSA, i.e., change the membership rules to admit open homosexual adults as leaders during his 2-year watch as BSA national president.

29 posted on 01/11/2014 4:31:06 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: Hojczyk

I ordered the book the first few minutes I heard. I hope to have it next week. I had the pleasure of meeting him, a year or so before he was asked to come back to service as Secretary of Defense under George W. Bush. My impression then...I liked him immediately. He’s a a frontline Cold Warrior; I was fortunate to have been working behind the scenes way down the food chain..but I’ll always be a Cold Warrior.

I don’t think he can stand Washington. I’ll bet he only came back as a favor to Bush 41 and his sense of Duty kept him in. I’m amazed that he stayed as long as he did. The only adult in the room during the 0bama administration. It must have been appalling. He had plenty of criticism for the Bush years too from a few of the excerpts I’ve seen. Looking forward to reading the whole book.


30 posted on 01/11/2014 4:54:01 PM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: elpadre

I have friends from A&M that know and really like Gates, one just reired as a colonel in the reserves.

Not sure what to make about him..


31 posted on 01/11/2014 5:16:09 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: luckystarmom
I don't doubt that he is a pleasant, considerate, kind man. However, he was the head of the military that was under attack from both within the country and without. The military needed a real leader with backbone and the courage to say, at the time it needed to be said, that the lives of our young men and women were on the line and that political posturing was not acceptable. It needed to be said loud, and hard, and rudely, and it needed to be said to every paper and radio station, every television station and through every pulpit in this country. Instead we got a bureaucrat without the courage to stand up for what was right. Gates could have retired long before then.
32 posted on 01/11/2014 6:07:57 PM PST by binreadin
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To: luckystarmom

I think he was out of place in politics - regardless of what others on this site say, I believe, basically, it is an honest book.


33 posted on 01/11/2014 8:05:09 PM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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