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Colorado pot shops likely targets of cartels, say experts
FOX News ^ | jANUARY 10, 2014 | By Joseph J. Kolb

Posted on 01/11/2014 12:49:10 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee

As the smoke settles from the first week of legal marijuana sales in Colorado, experts are warning that sanctioned pot dealers could become targets for the very folks they put out of business.

Taking over a trade once ruled by drug cartels and turning it into an all-cash business could make pot shops prime targets for extortion, black-market competition and robbery. One veteran border narcotics agent told FoxNews.com Colorado's legal pot industry will find it hard to keep the criminals from horning in on a lucrative business they once controlled.

"Mexico is already in Colorado without the risks," the agent, who requested anonymity, said of the state's heavy pre-existing cartel presence. "Legal businesses will likely see a rise in extortion attempts while law enforcement will see a lot of backdoor deals being made."

Cartels, especially the Juarez and Sinaloa, who have a strong presence in Colorado, could not have been happy with the estimated $1 million in sales Jan. 1, the first day of legalized retail sales. In 2012 the Mexican Competitiveness Institute issued a report saying that Mexico’s cartels would lose as much as $1.425 billion if Colorado legalized marijuana. The organization also predicted that drug trafficking revenues would fall 20 to 30 percent, and the Sinaloa cartel, which would be the most affected, would lose up to 50 percent. . .

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Roughly 60 percent of profits earned by Mexican drug cartels comes from the U.S. marijuana market. Without federal legalization marijuana trade in places like Colorado will remain in a legal no man's land, attracting both Mexican and domestic criminals. Federal legalization would allow an interstate market for these products and their full commercialization. I'm talking about a product resembling a pack of cigarettes or a box of cookies rather than some storefront with psychedelic posters and incense, with licensing and taxation from the farm to the retailer.
1 posted on 01/11/2014 12:49:10 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Gosh. Ya think? Who saw that one coming?


2 posted on 01/11/2014 12:50:31 PM PST by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: JohnBrowdie

Be interesting to see what happens now.


3 posted on 01/11/2014 12:52:03 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Brad from Tennessee

It’s starting to look as though this “recreational” marijuana bull**** is about to get ugly. Good luck Colorado! Don’t forget! “Legalize it and then tax the hell our of it!” LOL!


4 posted on 01/11/2014 12:53:34 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Where are Holder's "po folks" getting the I.D.s to sign up for ObamaCare?)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

"Do I even need to say it?"

5 posted on 01/11/2014 12:53:53 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Bulwyf

It looks like once again the the Law of Unintended Consequences is ready to rear it’s ugly head.


6 posted on 01/11/2014 12:57:26 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: Dutch Boy

I’d say. I also think if they just left the drugs alone, you’d kill the drug trade. It’s up to us parents to teach our kids right.


7 posted on 01/11/2014 1:00:00 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Legalization will put them out of business. /s


8 posted on 01/11/2014 1:00:33 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Bulwyf

A good number of parents are toking it up with their kids.


9 posted on 01/11/2014 1:02:54 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Holder likes none of this.

I’d say if there are “cartel hits” on such stores it’s likely in fact it was HOLDER’S GUYS.

Like Fast & Furious, yup.

OH SURE THE HITS WILL BE FROM “CARTELS”.

GayMuzzie is mobbed up on the sly with the Sinaloa.

If someone bursts in and robs these places and kills people inside, I’d say it’s the DOJ, even if they’re not in uniform.


10 posted on 01/11/2014 1:02:56 PM PST by gaijin
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To: dfwgator

I will never understand that.

I guess it will separate the users from the non users, when something is easy and legal and cheap to get, it’ll be abused.


11 posted on 01/11/2014 1:05:01 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Brad from Tennessee; george76

Boy, I sure am glad that the Colorado democrats voted to pass those gun control bills last year.
At least we’ll all be safer now that people can only carry 15-round bullet clips (That are unusable after a single use), have to run CBI firearm background checks to sell to your neighbor in his garage, and PAY for the check.
/Sarcasm

Anyone know how I could go about finding all firearm-related crimes that have occurred since these STOOPID gun control laws were enacted July 1, 2013? Is there a law enforcement site to look these stats up?

Colorado PING to George76


12 posted on 01/11/2014 1:06:48 PM PST by RandallFlagg (IRS = Internal Revenge Service)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Legalize home grown weed and all these clowns go out of business.


13 posted on 01/11/2014 1:08:41 PM PST by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I doubt the consumers of overpriced legal marijuana will put a dent in the Mexican’s wholesale trafficking business model.

Pot shops and their zonked out customers have more to be worried about from takeover robberies by assorted local criminal lowlifes than any international cartel.


14 posted on 01/11/2014 1:09:11 PM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Yeah, like the way the Mafia went out of business after Prohibition was repealed in 1933, right?


15 posted on 01/11/2014 1:09:21 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: umgud
Legalize home grown weed and all these clowns go out of business.

If you're going to legalize it, then yes, that would be the way to go.

16 posted on 01/11/2014 1:12:04 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Brad from Tennessee

The joint is the Girl Scout Cookie of the future. I can see it now, little girls showing up at the door selling refer. They can also have a line of accessories, bongs, lighters, pipes and rolling papers.


17 posted on 01/11/2014 1:12:08 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

What a harmonic convergence it would have been if the state had succeeded in taking people’s guns away.


18 posted on 01/11/2014 1:13:18 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Legalize it and then tax the hell out of it!

And don't forget control its strength and blend it with additives.

Part of the allure of illegal drugs is that they're illegal. It won't be surprising if drug cartels turn legal marijuana users on to something more potent and not legal.

19 posted on 01/11/2014 1:14:22 PM PST by grania
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To: mac_truck

Wouldn’t surprise me if a significant percentage of the rope they smoke in Colorado was domestically grown anyways.


20 posted on 01/11/2014 1:14:23 PM PST by djf (OK. Well, now, lemme try to make this clear: If you LIKE your lasagna, you can KEEP your lasagna!)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Consider the source of the “warning”. The DEA and other assorted TLAs clearly think that legalization is going to be cutting into their budgets and relevance.


21 posted on 01/11/2014 1:14:53 PM PST by glorgau
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Cartels in Colorado? Sounds like a law enforcement/ national security issue to me. Wait, what’s that, Hillary, Holder and O-bunghole supplied the cartels with weapons? Never mind.


22 posted on 01/11/2014 1:19:08 PM PST by csvset
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To: umgud
Legalize home grown weed and all these clowns go out of business.

It's already legal. I'm not sure how much a person can grow, though.
I think it's the same with growing one's own tobacco. Up to 1/10th of an acre, and you can't sell what you grow.
(I tried growing my own tobacco before I discovered E-Cigarettes)
23 posted on 01/11/2014 1:20:09 PM PST by RandallFlagg (IRS = Internal Revenge Service)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

The drug war continues...... only bloodier.


24 posted on 01/11/2014 1:22:52 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: FlingWingFlyer
“Legalize it and then tax the hell our of it!”

Currently 25%, plus 2% sales tax. Subject to a change upward at the whim of the legislature.

25 posted on 01/11/2014 1:28:00 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

They’re already testing their new, patented “strain”...

http://www.medicalmarijuanastrains.com/girl-scout-cookies-2/


26 posted on 01/11/2014 1:29:27 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Bulwyf
when something is easy and legal and cheap to get, it’ll be abused.

Easy and legal, yes but I just heard on t.v., that it has gone from $300 per pound to $400 per pound this month alone.

27 posted on 01/11/2014 1:32:36 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Graybeard58

Supply and demand? Do you think more people are going to use now that they aren’t breaking the law?


28 posted on 01/11/2014 1:33:51 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Brad from Tennessee

What does it matter now? They are already here and the US government is worried about Conservatives and Tea Party “Nazis”!


29 posted on 01/11/2014 1:34:44 PM PST by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

The Mexican cartels disappeared from Colorado. They can’t compete with the legal and high quality of pot here. Any story to the contrary is hype and stupidity.


30 posted on 01/11/2014 1:35:45 PM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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To: RandallFlagg

“At least we’ll all be safer now that people can only carry 15-round bullet clips “

That’s not factually correct. We can carry anything we please.


31 posted on 01/11/2014 1:36:28 PM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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To: RandallFlagg

My 17 rounds ( 16 in the mag+ one in the chamber) are perfectly legal in Colorado as they were purchased prior to the law. I also have several 30 round magazines all perfectly legal for the AR I have not yet purchased. The law is arbitrary ans capricious and hopefully will not stand if challenged


32 posted on 01/11/2014 1:36:29 PM PST by Mom MD
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Putting the cartels out of business would be a good thing.

That’s not happening (yet), but if enough states legalize, it will start to affect the cartels a lot.

Kind of like producing our own energy hurts that other cartel.


33 posted on 01/11/2014 1:38:19 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: CodeToad

I was being sarcastic.
I thought that it was obvious when I typed, “Bullet clips.”

;-)


34 posted on 01/11/2014 1:39:35 PM PST by RandallFlagg (IRS = Internal Revenge Service)
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To: Mom MD

I’m not an AR guy (I’m mainly into pistols), but I’m going to get one soon with some Wyoming-purchased 30-rounders VERY soon.
Quite legal -and this law isn’t being enforced.
(Yeah. I’m a one-issue-voter)


35 posted on 01/11/2014 1:42:40 PM PST by RandallFlagg (IRS = Internal Revenge Service)
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To: RandallFlagg

6 mature plants per adult in household I think. More than enough.

Walk-in closet and basement grows are springing up everywhere in Colorado.

It is against the law to grow outside.

I know a guy who has a legal grow. $8k initial investment (perfectionist, overdoes everything), clears about 1k a month plus he supplies himself. He’s in his 60’s and his retired neighbors are his biggest customers, lol.


36 posted on 01/11/2014 1:46:07 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Who cares if the Mexican cartels are upset that Americans take over their business? Are we supposed to be afraid to do something because it’ll upset the Mexican criminals? What’s to stop them from also extorting restaurants, liquor stores, candy stores, etc? Let them work on importing watermelons or something else, I don’t care.


37 posted on 01/11/2014 1:46:20 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: SaxxonWoods

I should have added above that his grow is legal, his sales are not.

People don’t care about or obey laws they don’t like, be it traffic, guns or drugs.


38 posted on 01/11/2014 1:49:08 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Anyone who thinks billion dollar cartels are just going to whither away is a damn fool.

Liberals keep expanding the list of illegal substances, so there is always a market!


39 posted on 01/11/2014 1:51:24 PM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: RandallFlagg

Yeah, my county sherrif is one of the 54(?) in Colorado not enforcing the magazine ban.

Another related fact, 54% (IIRC) of Colorado voters approved the constitutional amendment. The legislature didn’t do this.

I postulate that relatively few non-pot smokers voted yes. Which means a HELL of a lot of voters were smoking pot before it became legal. The vote came after about 10 years of medical pot being legal, which was supposed to cause huge problems.

Apparently those huge problems weren’t evident to most voters.

Oh, and screw the cartels.


40 posted on 01/11/2014 1:57:48 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: umgud
Legalize home grown weed and all these clowns go out of business.

It is legal up to about six plants or so in Colorado.

41 posted on 01/11/2014 2:00:25 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Cementjungle

These are serious criminals who will never simply go away. Even if they don’t muscle in on legal pot shops, they will divert their resources and sinister genius into other illegal operations, like child prostitution or harder drugs.


42 posted on 01/11/2014 2:01:56 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Brad from Tennessee

The prices will drop from competition once supply meets demand and the cartels will have no hold on the business.

This sounds like a guy with a financial incentive in fighting pot - his job - making nonsense commentary on the situation.


43 posted on 01/11/2014 2:02:47 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

How long before libertopians want to legalize those too?


44 posted on 01/11/2014 2:02:54 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Dutch Boy

The cartels will NOT move in.


45 posted on 01/11/2014 2:04:02 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
they will divert their resources and sinister genius into other illegal operations, like child prostitution or harder drugs.

I believe they've already been doing those things, for quite some time now.

46 posted on 01/11/2014 2:05:20 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Considering that these pot shops are heavily regulated and taxed, it is more accurate to say that the pot industry switched cartels. Now that the government is involved in ensuring the success of this tax base, I don’t think the Mexican cartels have a chance.


47 posted on 01/11/2014 2:05:33 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: glorgau

Thank you for some sanity in this thread. I was beginning to wonder about all these “conservatives” clamouring for continued government control.


48 posted on 01/11/2014 2:07:30 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Nah, the Cartels and the Government will have a “friendly merger.”


49 posted on 01/11/2014 2:07:44 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Cementjungle

Yeah, but then they will have more time and money to spend aggressively trying to expand the market.


50 posted on 01/11/2014 2:09:35 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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