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Blue Cross Blue Shield: If Republicans kill a bailout for insurers, itíll lead to single-payer
Hotair ^ | 01/11/2014 | AllahPundit

Posted on 01/11/2014 4:37:41 PM PST by SeekAndFind

They’re nervous.

“We are becoming increasingly concerned about momentum that is quickly building among some leading conservatives for elimination of the risk corridor and reinsurance programs,” [Blue Cross Blue Shield Association CEO Scott] Serota wrote…

“Their efforts, along with growing support for repealing the risk corridor and reinsurance programs, could combine to create a perfect storm to, at a minimum, dissuade the Administration from modifying risk corridor program rules to provide increased funding in light of the recent ‘transitional policy’ allowing insurers to offer consumers the option to renew their 2013 health plans for 2014,” Serota wrote.

In attached talking points, seemingly directed at Republican lawmakers opposed to risk corridors and reinsurance, BCBSA is asking members to argue that eliminating the risk corridors will lead to the eventual downfall of Obamacare and lead to a single-payer system: “It jeopardizes the entire private health insurance market and will ultimately lead to a single-payer system. Furthermore, it will close the door to pro-competitive health care reform alternatives.”

One bolded talking point, “use with appropriate audiences only,” charges that “eliminating these programs will result in massive premium increases and could cause private insurers to become insolvent.” In Serota’s email, however, this point is intended for Democrats only.

You remember the “risk corridor” provisions, right? If a new ObamaCare plan comes in under budget, the insurer pays the difference between the actual cost and projected cost to HHS. If it comes in over budget, HHS pays the difference to the insurance. It’s a way for insurers to spread risk among the industry with HHS as middleman. (The bit in the excerpt about the White House modifying the rules for its new “transitional policy” is a reference to this.) Problem is, there’s no cap on how much HHS might need to pay out if lots and lots of plans come in over budget — a plausible scenario given the whispers from Humana about what it’s seeing among the demographic mix of ObamaCare enrollees so far. If too many plans have lopsided numbers of sick enrollees who need expensive treatments and few healthy ones to supply the revenue needed to offset that expense, HHS could be on the hook for the shortfall via a de facto bailout — unless Congress repeals the risk corridor provisions, in which case the insurers will be stuck with the bill. How many of them will be able to cover it and how many will go belly up? Of the ones who stay in business, how many will have to charge exorbitant premiums next year to make up for their losses? And if premiums soar, some portion of their consumers are bound to cancel their plans, which means even less revenue for the insurers and the need for even higher premiums, etc. That’s the “death spiral,” and in theory that’s where single-payer comes in. If the insurance industry melts down because Congress cut its financial lifeline, what replaces it?

What’s fascinating about the BCBS talking points is that, in light of the rumblings on the left lately about single-payer, they may actually hurt the industry at this point more than they help. The “single-payer” talk won’t scare Republicans; they know they’re likely to have more control of Congress next year, not less, and they’re eager to find a weak spot in the Jenga tower that is ObamaCare that might bring the whole thing down. Killing the risk corridor could do it. Meanwhile, the “single-payer” talk might entice Democrats. Plenty of them, like Michael Moore and Noam Scheiber, defend ObamaCare not out of love but out of dutiful partisan obligation. They hate insurance companies and would leap at the chance to replace them with a government alternative but they’re stuck with the O-Care model for the time being. If the industry implodes, though, they’ll have a fully-formed alternative ready to go in the form of “Medicare for all.” And of course, as a matter of basic retail politics, Democrats want to be seen as anti-bailout as much as Republicans do, especially before a midterm election. Even assuming that Obama would veto a bailout repeal in the name of protecting his new partners in the industry, there’ll be intense political pressure on Democrats to cross the aisle and vote with the GOP to override it. I don’t think they’d get to 67 votes — the wound to ObamaCare, on which they’ve already spent so much political capital, would be too grave to inflict it so soon — but the politics of it would be attractive and we already know that they’re not averse to short-sighted political “fixes” to the law that actually make the industry’s adverse-selection problems worse. Between nervous red-state centrists like Mark Pryor who want to signal their unhappiness with O-Care and ideological leftists like Bernie Sanders who want to smash the insurance industry, how many Democratic votes might they get? Enough to get to 60 and force an Obama veto at least, right?

Exit question via Bob Laszewski: What happens when the “risk corridor” expires in 2017? Exit answer: Maybe nothing. By that point, U.S. health insurance will be so dominated by the exchanges and the penalty for not complying with the mandate will be so steep that you’ll have no choice but to sign up and pay what they want.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 113th; abolishobamacare; aca; bailouts; healthcare; healthinsurance; insurerbailout; insurersbailout; nullifyobamacare; obamacare; obamacareinsurers; singlepayer
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1 posted on 01/11/2014 4:37:41 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

So.. the jest of what they are saying is “cut off the money and we pull the trigger on this .45 we are holding to your head..”


2 posted on 01/11/2014 4:39:49 PM PST by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: cableguymn

This was the plan all along. When 2017 comes, the gubmint will have no choice but to put everyone in Mediscam.


3 posted on 01/11/2014 4:42:20 PM PST by TStro (Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.)
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To: SeekAndFind

And there’s their threat. Threw down the Ace awfully quickly, didn’t they? I can’t type anymore ...it would just be a string of expletives....


4 posted on 01/11/2014 4:42:32 PM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: SeekAndFind

They got into bed with the man carrying the STD’s and now they want a cure.

The answer is to let competitive companies jump in to compete without regulation.


5 posted on 01/11/2014 4:43:44 PM PST by lurk
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To: SeekAndFind

so what we need to do is defund Obamacare given The House Of Representatives control the purse, budget (obviously we need a new Speaker to accomplish anything at all...)

and eventually repeal the whole stinking mess when we can


6 posted on 01/11/2014 4:46:03 PM PST by faithhopecharity (now)
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To: SueRae

dittos...


7 posted on 01/11/2014 4:48:43 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: SeekAndFind

A one page bill would avoid that. Health care freedom to let businesses sell what they want and businesses and employees make their own decisions.


8 posted on 01/11/2014 4:53:15 PM PST by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hmmm, I guess their poker hand had fewer cards in it than they thought. Such a pity... It looks like they’ll be folding sooner than they thought they would.

I wonder if they kept enough out to play with later on at the next high stakes game?


9 posted on 01/11/2014 4:53:36 PM PST by The Working Man
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To: SeekAndFind

If the government does bailout the insurers then we’ve got single payer already.


10 posted on 01/11/2014 4:55:49 PM PST by circlecity
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To: SeekAndFind

So, the plan is to stay with Obamacare, which can’t work and will kill the working class or move over to single payer which is free (sure it is), but offers no real service.


11 posted on 01/11/2014 4:58:03 PM PST by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: SeekAndFind

Reminds me of the scene from Blazing Saddles where the black sheriff puts a gun to his head and tells everyone to drop their weapons or the N-Word gets it.


12 posted on 01/11/2014 4:58:32 PM PST by AU72
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To: SeekAndFind

Better idea: REPEAL Obamacare!


13 posted on 01/11/2014 4:58:37 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: SeekAndFind
...OHIO
14 posted on 01/11/2014 4:59:34 PM PST by yoe
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, at least the topic is getting broached.

We don’t have anybody else responsible in this government mess other than Democrats, if it isn’t Republicans. So they have to act. Nobody else is there to do it.

I say yes. The Blues are our lifeline back to sanity. Not just bail them, but get them and a consortia of other insurance firms intensively involved with a private reconstruction plan.


15 posted on 01/11/2014 5:01:39 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Actually, it was the decision by big insurance carriers like Blue Cross to collude with the Obama Administration (i.e. the destroyers of business) which will lead to single payer (i.e. the destruction of big insurance companies).

Idiots.

16 posted on 01/11/2014 5:02:44 PM PST by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: SeekAndFind

Perhaps the insurance industry should have thought about that when they were cheerleading for Zerocare.


17 posted on 01/11/2014 5:03:07 PM PST by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: SeekAndFind
And now you know why so many insurer's signed on to -- and even actively promoted 0bamacare.

They wrote the rules requiring coverages for people who couldn't possibly have a particular condition as a way to spread risk, increase costs, and increase their profits.

They pushed the mandatory coverage as a way of increasing market share.

They pushed the employer mandate as a way of getting even more customers.

And they wrote the rules guaranteeing that if, even after all that they still couldn't make a profit, we would pick up the tab.

18 posted on 01/11/2014 5:03:43 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das is nicht richtig nur falsch. Das ist nicht einmal falsch.)
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To: Hoodat; All

Well we got a prodigal son here now.

I suggest we take the maximum advantage of this. That we admonish them for their foolishness, but right now forgiving them is better than knuckling under to full Obamacare.


19 posted on 01/11/2014 5:05:28 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: SeekAndFind

How convinient for Blue Cross Blue Shield to blame it all on the Republicans.

That is the point Republicans should fight back on. But we all know they won’t.


20 posted on 01/11/2014 5:06:08 PM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: FredZarguna

And THEY lived in la-la land.

Well guess what, the USA is not some magic cash cow! It operates by capitalist principles!

Unless we have the capability of independently rewriting formerly-evolved insurance law from scratch, and I don’t think so at this scale, the Blues are going to have to be part of the solution. Because if they do not cooperate, they will surely be singing the blues.


21 posted on 01/11/2014 5:07:34 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Boo-hoo. Put all these traitors out of business. They and Big Pharma crawled in bed with the Democrat dogs and now they have fleas.

You can’t tell me that doctors and hospital administrators aren’t bright enough to find a Plan B to keep from being government lackeys, practicing ObamaCare without a peep.


22 posted on 01/11/2014 5:12:28 PM PST by txrefugee
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To: SeekAndFind
One bolded talking point, “use with appropriate audiences only,” charges that “eliminating these programs will result in massive premium increases and could cause private insurers to become insolvent.” In Serota’s email, however, this point is intended for Democrats only.

That won't work with decent people, only democrats. As a productive person, I would be happy to see those including Blue Cross who tried to benefit from crony capitalism pay the price of their corruption. I have no sympathy for any company that dies of stupidity while trying to rip me off.

23 posted on 01/11/2014 5:13:58 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Completely wrong. Big Insurance companies were up to their eyeballs behind the scenes in helping congressional staff write 0bamacare, which they saw as an enormous windfall for them:

Just as Sarbanes-Oxley was written by Big Corporate for Big Corporate, just as Dodd-Frank was witten by Big Banksters for Big Banksters, 0bamacase was written by Big Insurance, and Big Insurance was intended to be the beneficiary.

This isn't a "discussion:" it's a war plan for their lobbyists to make sure the law they wrote gets enforced the way they intended it.

24 posted on 01/11/2014 5:14:31 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das is nicht richtig nur falsch. Das ist nicht einmal falsch.)
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To: Sir Napsalot
How convinient for Blue Cross Blue Shield to blame it all on the Republicans

IIRC, BCBS is the largest health insurance provider to Federal employees.

If Issa had any balls he'd haul the BCBC management team in front of his committee, put them under oath, and order them to - under penalty of perjury and contempt of Congress - reveal any discussions they may have had with the White House or Democrats on the matter.

Then subpoena the living hell out of them for visitor logs, emails, phone records, etc.
25 posted on 01/11/2014 5:15:47 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: SeekAndFind

They know the opposition well. They know the Republicans are led by a bunch of cowardly inarticulate backbiting boobs who are pretty much totally focused on lining their pockets, getting even with their personal enemies (99% of whom are also Republicans), and getting positive mentions in the MSM. Which never happens.

For a private company to threaten the Democrats as a party, and name them as a party, would be suicidal.

But BC/BS knows perfectly well that they need fear no reprisals from thr Republicans.


26 posted on 01/11/2014 5:16:07 PM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bend over taxpayers — here it comes


27 posted on 01/11/2014 5:16:40 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: lurk
non-stop insurer bailouts is single-payer!!
28 posted on 01/11/2014 5:29:16 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: TStro

you are correct. however, I don’t think we will have to wait till 2017.


29 posted on 01/11/2014 5:33:18 PM PST by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: SeekAndFind
What a joke. The insurance companies will be reaping incredible profits from this obamacare scam and they know it. Forcing us to pay absurd premiums along with deductibles that mean probably less than 1 percent of those covered will even need contributions from the insurers to pay their medical expenses.

Of course, if relatively few people sign up to begin with, they won't be as profitable as they eventually will be, but to tide them over until full participation kicks in, they need a bailout. Unbelievable.

Of course, if we move to a one payer system due to the exorbitant fees of this law, the poor insurance companies will want their bailout then as well. Unbelievable.

They're just pissed because their scam isn't going as well as they predicted.

30 posted on 01/11/2014 5:40:28 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Hoodat
Actually, it was the decision by big insurance carriers like Blue Cross to collude with the Obama Administration (i.e. the destroyers of business) which will lead to single payer (i.e. the destruction of big insurance companies).

Idiots.
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The insurance industry let greed get the best of them. They made a calculated decision to collude with the devil, thinking they would reap huge profits with a swollen base of new members. Yuri Bezmonov had a name for these stupid enablers “Useful Idiots.” When the Communist get what they want or need from the useful idiots, they throw them under the bus. That is why it is hard to feel sorry for the money grubbing fools. However, what needs to be done is immediately kill or scrap Obamacare and put the free market to work to quickly rebuild a private insurance industry.

31 posted on 01/11/2014 5:41:42 PM PST by iontheball
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To: SeekAndFind

Insurance Companies were made GSE’s by ObamaCare.


32 posted on 01/11/2014 5:50:04 PM PST by griswold3 (Post-Christian America is living on borrowed moral heritage)
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To: TStro

Unless of course, they don’t survive a civil war. In which case they won’t.

Antonio Gramsci’s theories utterly require that armed opposition not arise early and with serious resolve. If that happens it has no counter. His thinking lacked the depth of Bismark and Von Clausewitz.


33 posted on 01/11/2014 5:53:13 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: vmivol00
Perhaps the insurance industry should have thought about that when they were cheerleading for Zerocare.

They weren't. I worked for one of the biggest Blues while this debacle was being pushed through DC and they fought against it tooth and nail. While there, I also sat on on doctor/board meetings. No one ... doctor or insurer ... wanted this thing passed.

34 posted on 01/11/2014 5:54:10 PM PST by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: SueRae
I can’t type anymore ...it would just be a string of expletives....

I wouldn't trust myself to express my thoughts on the matter.
Ultimately I blame the people. Since 2007 it's been frustrating trying to open anyone's eyes who would even listen to the true nature of this guy. You didn't need to be a Nobel scholar in history to figure out where this thing was going.

35 posted on 01/11/2014 5:55:48 PM PST by stormhill
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To: FredZarguna

Wrong. See my previous post.


36 posted on 01/11/2014 5:56:21 PM PST by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Anyone who is only willing to rely on the ballot box is are not made of the same stuff as the founders. Freedom has a price that must be paid, and those who will not pay it do not deserve it anyway.


37 posted on 01/11/2014 5:56:32 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Everything will lead to single payer unless Congress kills the whole socialist enterprise, and then unless the kenyan doesn’t simply ignore Congress and do what he means to do.


38 posted on 01/11/2014 6:02:25 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Well we got a prodigal son here now.

The big difference here is that the prodigal son repented. Contrast that with the insurance companies who having squandered their inheritance are returning home to demand more of their father's money.

39 posted on 01/11/2014 6:02:37 PM PST by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: TStro

The wonderful thing about making everything Medicaid is it eliminates Inheritance. The government seizes everyone’s estate at death to “repay” Medicaid expenses.


40 posted on 01/11/2014 6:04:45 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: SeekAndFind

Anyone else get that sinking feeling that rebellion is the only option left?


41 posted on 01/11/2014 6:09:21 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: SeekAndFind


42 posted on 01/11/2014 6:14:37 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: SeekAndFind

That was the whole point of passing ObamaCare....that’s why nobody had to read what was actually in it.

They knew it was just an intermediate step to their ultimate goal, single payer.


43 posted on 01/11/2014 6:15:54 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind
"Risk corridor."

Wow. Those two words alone should make anyone turn around and run the other way. Holy cow, what platinum-plated tin-horn crap.

"Risk corridor." You screw with free market forces, you create a corridor right into a drain, like a sink.

As it is, the modern "market" for health insurance began in the first place because government screwed with the free market by disallowing certain pay levels without some penalty, so businesses started offereing health insurance as a non-income perk.

A generation later, it's an entitlement, a responsibility of employers and if not them -- why, the government!

"Risk corridors." I can think of a corridor these nationalized health care statists can shove up their ... bah!!

44 posted on 01/11/2014 6:15:56 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: lurk

It will be interesting to see if the blues try to keep this thing going and the private insurers bail out quick enough to stay solvent. Can this be done prior to the group mandates.


45 posted on 01/11/2014 6:26:17 PM PST by kvanbrunt2
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To: lurk

There won’t be companies entering the market if there is no money to be made. The feds have screwed it up.


46 posted on 01/11/2014 6:28:19 PM PST by plain talk
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To: cableguymn

It going to go to single payer anyway. Sounds like BCBS is trying to scam the taxpayers.


47 posted on 01/11/2014 6:32:43 PM PST by virgil
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To: SeekAndFind

Obamacare is working as planned. Pray for America and your children.


48 posted on 01/11/2014 6:42:03 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: TStro

BCBS was complicit in allowing the Tojan horse of Obama are to pass congress. Their naive stupidity astounds me


49 posted on 01/11/2014 7:17:15 PM PST by STJPII
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To: SeekAndFind

No more bailouts.


50 posted on 01/11/2014 7:17:21 PM PST by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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