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My plea: A citywide task force to address gun homicides
Milwaukee J-S ^
| 12 jan 2014
| James Causey
Posted on 01/12/2014 4:56:30 AM PST by rellimpank
When Reggie Evans, a cook at George Webb restaurant, was shot and killed on the city's east side, the question on many people's mind was why suspect Delorean Bryson, whom police describe as a "career criminal," was on the streets and how was he able to get a gun.
The simple answer is that the criminal justice system is flawed and current laws are not sufficient to keep guns out of the hands of felons. What we need is a larger public health perspective to reduce gun violence.
I was in a meeting with Milwaukee Police Chief Edward Flynn recently to talk about the city's spike in homicides. He said all the right things. He wants officers to do a better job, and he is determined to make sure that they have the right training and software to be better crime fighters.
He also conceded that no department can reduce crime without help.
Flynn's right, and the city as a whole needs to do a better job of working together. Other agencies, such as juvenile justice and children's courts, don't share necessary information with the Police Department, making it harder to solve crimes, Flynn said.
In November, Milwaukee was named by Forbes magazine as the 10th most-violent big city in the nation behind cities including Detroit, Oakland and Atlanta.
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--link to the article in with letters in response--
--more of the usual--
current laws are not sufficient to keep guns out of the hands of felons
There are no imaginable laws that could keep guns out of the hands of felons. Our only choice is whether the felons will be the only ones armed or their law-abiding victims will be armed too and able to defend themselves.
posted on 01/12/2014 4:59:30 AM PST
("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
You are correct. “Keeping guns out of the hands of felons” is just a phrase used to promote “Keeping guns out of the hands of citizens”. The key to understand this is that the proposals put forth always impose more difficulties on law abiding citizens than they do on the criminals.
posted on 01/12/2014 5:03:11 AM PST
(The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
Yup. All we need is just one more law affecting only legal gun owners and those nasty felons won’t be able to get any guns at all. We’d all be safe then. Until we need just one more law that is.
posted on 01/12/2014 5:05:13 AM PST
(www.greenhornshooting.com - Firearms training in Jacksonville, Fl.)
” career criminal” - here’s a news flash! Why not control criminals? Instead of questioning why guns were obtainable why not question why he was still on the streets?
No doubt all these shootings have been caused by an acute shortage of gun laws.
For the sake of our own safety we can only hope that our noble government will promptly abolish the 2nd amendment and disarm us all. /s
What are we going to do about this gun violence?
“I KNOW! I KNOW!” says little Mary Democrat from the front row while waving her hand wildly.
“We need to take all those evil guns from every one.”
posted on 01/12/2014 5:13:58 AM PST
(I am feeling more like Philip Nolan every day)
Police cannot, will not and do not stop crime or help citizens.
Their only purpose is to draw the chalk lines and document what has happened.
It is the citizen’s responsibility to provide their own protection and prevent themselves from being a victim.
posted on 01/12/2014 5:16:25 AM PST
(Democrats believe in a two-party systemthe masters and the slaves.)
Another brain full of mush grown into adulthood. Common sense stands no chance with these louts. They want to disarm felons before they commit crimes. This twisted philosophy makes every man a felon who only need a gun to do crime.
Without guns, they say, there is no crime, only petty larceny that does not hurt anyone. More easy fixes that do not work by a government bent on control.
posted on 01/12/2014 5:19:02 AM PST
by Louis Foxwell
(This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
An armed citywide task force to confront felons would work much better
posted on 01/12/2014 5:19:43 AM PST
by N. Theknow
(Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
And the first thing IDIOT Mary Democrat will do,
if she gets into trouble is:
CALL A PERSON WITH A GUN TO COME AND SAVE HER.
If she just learned HOW TO USE a gun herself, she'd be a lot better off.
The United States Citizens KNOW that they're going to have to fight TYRANTS in their own government.
You cannot protect life
, without the ability to take life.
While you are WAITING for the police to respond, someone could be losing their life.
All people of a responsible age should be armed.
The Second Amendment IS Pro-Life.
"Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these:
First, a right to life; These are evident branches of, rather than deductions from, the duty of self-preservation,
Secondly, to liberty;
Thirdly, to property;
together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can.
commonly called the first law of nature...If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any essential natural right,
In short, it is the greatest absurdity to suppose it in the power of one, or any number of men, at the entering into society,
to renounce their essential natural rights, or the means of preserving those rights;
when the grand end of civil government, from the very nature of its institution,
is for the support, protection, and defence of those very rights;
the principal of which, as is before observed, are Life, Liberty, and Property.
the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation.
The right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty,
it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift
and voluntarily become a slave."
Click here to read the 12 page pamphlet.
Let us NEVER FORGET THAT !
Let's subjugate them to OUR end game, DUST! "COMPROMISE"
is a DIRTY word
People who study the Bible know that COMPROMISE almost always leads to destruction
It's time to mock the "Gun Control" Zombies!
"Gun Control" is a firm grip, steady breathing, accurate aim (developed by lots of practice), and a slow trigger pull.
The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
We need to learn from the Swiss
and implement their "gun control measures"
here in the United States right now, today!
These laws are the ones we should shove into the "2nd Amendment Haters"
" Today, military service for Swiss males is universal. At about age 20, every Swiss male goes through 118 consecutive days of recruit training in the Rekrutenschule. ...
Even before required training begins, young men and women may take optional courses with the Swiss army's M57 assault rifle.
They keep that gun at home for three months and receive six half-day training sessions.
From age 21 to 32, a Swiss man serves as a "frontline" troop in the Auszug, and devotes three weeks a year (in eight of the 12 years) to continued training.
From age 33 to 42, he serves in the Landwehr (like America's National Guard); every few years, he reports for two-week training periods.
Finally, from ages 43, to 50, he serves in the Landsturm; in this period, he only spends 13 days total in "home guard courses."
Over a soldier's career he also spends scattered days on mandatory equipment inspections and required target practice.
Thus, in a 30-year mandatory military career, a Swiss man only spends about one year in direct military service.
Following discharge from the regular army, men serve on reserve status until age 50 (55 for officers).
By the Federal Constitution of 1874, military servicemen are given their first equipment, clothing and arms.
After the first training period, conscripts must keep gun, ammunition and equipment an ihrem Wohnort ("in their homes") until the end of their term of service.
Today, enlisted men are issued M57 AUTOMATIC assault rifles and officers are given pistol.
Each reservist is issued 24 rounds of ammunition in sealed packs for emergency use.
(Contrary to Handgun Control's claim that "all ammunition must be accounted for," the emergency ammunition is the only ammo that requires accounting.)
After discharge from service, the man is given a bolt rifle free from registration or obligation.
Starting in the 1994, the government will GIVE ex-reservists assault rifles. Officers carry pistols rather than rifles and are given their pistols the end of their service.
When the government adopts a new infantry rifle, it sells the old ones to the public.
Reservists are encouraged to buy MILITARY ammunition
(7.5 and 5.6mm-5.56 mm in other countries-for rifles and 9 and 7.65 mm Luger for pistols)which is sold AT COST by the government, for target practice .
Non-military ammunition for long-gun hunting and .22 Long Rifle (LR) ammo are not subsidised, but are subiect to NO sales controls.
Non-military non-hunting ammunition more powerful than .22 LR (such as .38 Spl.) is registered at the time of sale.
Swiss military ammo must be registered IF bought at a private store, BUT NEED NOT BE REGISTERED IF bought at a range.
The nation's 3,000 shooting ranges sell the overwhelming majority of ammunition.
Technically, ammunition bought at the range must be used at the range, but the rule is barely known and almost never obeyed.
The army SELLS a variety of machine guns, submachine guns, anti-tank weapons, anti-aircraft guns, howitzers and cannons.
Purchasers of these weapons require an EASILY OBTAINED cantonal license, and the weapons are registered.
In a nation of six million people, there are at least two million guns, including 600,000 FULLY AUTOMATIC assault rifles, half a million pistols, and numerous machine guns.
Virtually every home has a gun.
Besides SUBSIDIZED military surplus, the Swiss can buy other firearms easily too.
While long guns require NO special purchase procedures, handguns are sold only to those with a Waffenerwerbsschien (purchase certificate) issued by a cantonal authority.
A certificate is issued to every applicant over 18 who is not a criminal or mentally infirm.
There are NO restrictions on the carrying of long guns.
About half the cantons have strict permit procedures for carrying handguns, and the other half have NO rules at all.
There is NO discernible difference in the crime rate between the cantons as a result of the different policies.
Thanks to a lawsuit brought by the Swiss gun lobby, semi-automatic rifles require NO PURCHASE PERMIT and are NOT registered by the government.
Thus, the ONLY long guns registered by the government are FULL AUTOMATICS."
The Swiss have got it CORRECT !Let's adopt THEIR LAWS !
The beauty of the Second Amendment is
that it will not be needed
until they TRY to take it.
Read Second Amendment: Its Not About Hunting, IT'S ABOUT TYRANNY .
posted on 01/12/2014 5:22:55 AM PST
(It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
To: Boomer One
why not question why he was still on the streets?
They did, at the beginning of the article. Then they just forgot about it and got on with the agenda.
posted on 01/12/2014 5:24:12 AM PST
No laws will keep guns out of the hands of felons. The Second Amendment (the RKBA “shall not be infringed”) properly observed is the law that curbs violent felons better than anything else.
posted on 01/12/2014 5:24:51 AM PST
(Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
As long as we allow for ‘disparate impact’, as long as we allow for ‘racism’ to be the battering ram that kowtows whites, as long as we pretend that guns and not criminals are the problem, this will continue to get worse. We are socially and culturally devolving down the toilet.
posted on 01/12/2014 5:36:12 AM PST
("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
posted on 01/12/2014 5:37:42 AM PST
“What we need is a larger public health perspective to reduce gun violence.”
That has been tried repeatedly, and failed.
What has also been tried repeatedly, and worked, is gun liberty. Even career criminals admit that their biggest fear is an armed public, and that an armed public radically increases the degree of difficulty in committing crime.
Importantly, what few who support gun liberty recognize is that the twin of gun liberty is capital punishment.
However, opponents of gun liberty are invariably also opposed to capital punishment, because they have made this connection.
Over the course of many years, the opposition to capital punishment has successfully accomplished extreme delay, as a minimum, to justice, with outright prohibition also common. But gun liberty negates their efforts.
That is, when in preventing a felony crime, an ordinary citizen shoots a criminal to death, they accomplish instantly what takes lawyers, judges, juries and endless appeals and political intercessions, decades to accomplish, if at all. All the legal, political and emotional trickery they can muster is for naught.
And it unveils a great truth, that the citizenry *are* the law, not the police or government. And if the police and government are unable to provide justice, then the citizenry are forced to do so. So by affording the citizenry the ability to do so, the police and government cease to have power. In this case, over life and death.
Criminals realize these things, as do those who protect and defend criminals from the public and justice.
Those who advocate gun liberty should make this connection as well.
posted on 01/12/2014 6:00:58 AM PST
(There Is Still A Very Hot War On Terror, Just Not On The MSM. Rantburg.com)
No matter what laws we have, the removal of all KNOWN guns or a force of a gazillion police officers, if the perps want to kill someone, they will get it done.
The resolution to the problem becomes one of culture change and perhaps “shock” may be a better word to describe how that culture might be changed..
There is a way to overcome this plague but probably not something people would be willing to support. First time convicted criminals get “death”. It may take a while but the numbers will go down sooner or later as the pool of candidates diminishes. “ Too Drastic” you say, maybe not.
posted on 01/12/2014 6:02:52 AM PST
I had a chance to read a account about life in Houston Texas back around 1900. Almost everyone carried a pistol of some sort. Gun violence happened but very rarely. The bad guys knew that most everyone was armed and would shoot back.
After Hurricane Ike, the press asked Gov. Perry about looting in Galveston country. The head of the DPS stated that there was no looting in that county.
Galveston County Texas has the highest per capita issuances of concealed handgun licenses. The bad guys know this.
When he got to the line about having a meet with Flynn, I quit reading. I knew I could write the rest of the story with my eyes closed.
posted on 01/12/2014 6:18:28 AM PST
by Big Mack
(I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat VEGETABLES!)
Government solution: Form a committee.
The author makes exactly zero case why addressing criminal activity as a "public health issue" will add a thing to reducing crime. Zero. This plea is simply one long soundbite with zero substance.
posted on 01/12/2014 6:21:22 AM PST
by Jabba the Nutt
(You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
Language is a very large part of the problem. The word used to describe murderers is felons. Although not totally, the murder and gun crimes are related to the criminal black underclass.
To declare the solution to the problem is to assault the criminal black underclass with the full force and effect of the law is political incorrectness verging on heresy.
If there is not the stomach to set right the language, there is no hope for change in the behavior.
The crime of racism trumps the crime of murder
posted on 01/12/2014 6:31:26 AM PST
((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
posted on 01/12/2014 6:49:43 AM PST
There are no imaginable laws that could keep guns out of the hands of felons.
You could put the felons in a place where there is no access to guns or access to decent people to victimize.
Our only choice is whether the felons will be the only ones armed or their law-abiding victims will be armed too and able to defend themselves.
I agree that all law-abiding folks should be armed but that will not decrease the numbers of shootings in places like Milwaukee because the victims of illegally armed law breaking thugs are themselves illegally armed law breaking thugs.
This question in not why do we allow 'guns on the streets' but why do we allow dangerous people who can't handle the freedoms we have out onto the street.
posted on 01/12/2014 7:04:06 AM PST
by Count of Monte Fisto
(The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
(sheesh where’s my coffee/glasses).
posted on 01/12/2014 7:21:35 AM PST
The problem Milwaukee has is not about "guns". It is about "criminals", and how they are allowed by the court systems to run free.
Check out this very illuminating thread...
Street Robberies and You... The Basics
posted on 01/12/2014 7:43:49 AM PST
(Liberals think living your life free of welfare, EBT, and government nannies is "cheating"-J Hawkins)
I guess DeLorian didn’t get the memo that crime is illegal. Or maybe it was written in cursive.
To: Jabba the Nutt
Yeah, form a working group, set up a committee, engage in dialogue. All meaningless verbiage. My question is are those who mouth these platitudes fools, hucksters or both?
posted on 01/12/2014 2:10:06 PM PST
(The thing of it is, we must live with the living- Michel de Montaigne)
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