Skip to comments.Asking the Right Questions about Pot
Posted on 01/12/2014 9:26:07 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
He was in high school and quite brilliant. The kind of kid who didn't pick up a book all year and aced all of his honors and AP tests -- in complex subjects like Physics. He was also musically gifted. But he couldn't stop smoking weed. The school and his parents did all they could; he even took up sports so he wouldn't go home after school and smoke.
The more he smoked, the more he slacked off, the less frequently he attended class, did his work, and participated in class. They finally expelled him.
He was last seen walking on 101 in the wee hours of the morning on meth, punching and flailing at the police who pulled over to see if he was okay. ----- I typed his papers in college -- mostly for his philosophy and intellectual history classes. It's how I earned extra cash. He'd call me up -- completely wasted -- at the last minute and ask me to type his works of art, works of brilliance. He'd really nailed it this time. He was admittedly bright, but years of smoking dope left his brain all a jumble and his papers unintelligible -- a collection of disparate fragments scribbled on several sheets of paper. I'd try to edit the papers so they'd make sense but it was futile to get inside his muddled thoughts. In his mind, though, he was onto something big, his thoughts coherent and his papers exceptional. ----- My German professor wanted to help me clean up my senior thesis but had to toke up before he could sit down for a few hours and help. He needed a spliff to work on anything academic. But... he wasn't addicted. ------
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It is impossible to have a meaningful conversation with a pot head. Eventually you have to ask them to come back when the have been off the stuff for a month and it has flushed out of their system. Then you can talk.
Hopefully the low information voters of Colorado will see this and the errors of their ways and remove the legality of pot.
You can’t save the world, especially potheads. Why bother?
Even then, you might not be able to talk. Studies are showing that the brain damage from pot use is still there after two years (suggesting that it is permanent), and it doesn't even have to be very heavy use.
I had trouble understanding the stoners amongst my friends in college. I understand “getting wasted” and partying. This is something that has gone on for thousands of years. But I didn’t understand the need to get high before doing ANYTHING. “Let’s go here and do this.” “Yeah, let’s get high first!” And they always had to get high before EVERYTHING. I don’t actually feel that marijuana would make everything better all the time. Time and place for everything.
I saw the affects of pot use in high school. I knew a couple of dopers. They were very smart, doing well in school and started smoking. 15 years later out of high school they were stuck in neutral and still doing drugs and dealing to cover their habit. Lives were destroyed.
Christopher Lloyd's character on Taxi was spot on. His character was meant to be funny but it was factual.
One thing about pot is that it saps a person's will and motivation and it doesn't dissipate right away. No, it is not a stereotype. And the effects can last for several days and even weeks. Well within the window of smoking again.
Watch out other states. First there is medical mj and then full legalization. Medical mj is designed to desensitized the voters to the real goal of full legalization.
Because they influence our children and grandchildren. My children never fell into this habit (”Mom would kill us!) but I don’t have the same control over my grandchildren. Scares the bejeebees out of me.
And yes, it changes the brain chemistry. Interesting point — many people can’t get high the first couple of times smoking.
Some how the body gets tuned into the drugs in pot and it is a life time change. The brain chemistry changes.
I deal with two parents with alzheimers every day. Memory is so very important. Yet the stoners amongst my college friends have huge lacunae in their memories of those years, and — far worse — seem to be more forgetful now than non ex stoners as well. And it is worse for those who keep smoking into their 40s. One friend doesn’t remember what she told me before, not once in a while, but always, and she still smokes pot. Who would want that? It can’t be just about getting “high” at that point.
I am not a doctor but I could see, by the strong effect on the pancreas, that there may be a habit forming around the lowered blood sugar effect. It could be part of a metabolic disorder. Maybe a vicious circle kind of thing.
...years of smoking dope left his brain all a jumble and his papers unintelligible -- a collection of disparate fragments scribbled on several sheets of paper. I'd try to edit the papers so they'd make sense but it was futile to get inside his muddled thoughts. In his mind, though, he was onto something big, his thoughts coherent and his papers exceptional.
Ya, ya, ya. I know, it is illegal to bring it on campus or to smoke it if you are under age. It is a lie or naive or both to think that it won't happen more often.
I have seen this in my life. I had a friend like myself—a nerd—He wrote science fiction stories and they were good—better than mine. But he turned Hippie in college—smoked pot all the time and moved on the LSD and other drugs. He thought it made him more brilliant—it didn’t. He dropped out. Now he is a shell of what he was—walking the streets, living with his long suffering mother. He could have done great things if it wasn’t for pot. It has ruined too many people over the years. The best and brightest and being lost to us by this drug craze. Boose is bad enough why add to it?
OK, I guess I’ll have to play devil’s advocate -
some people can use weed occasionally and still function, hold steady jobs, pay taxes, etc.
And some can’t. Just like alcohol. Another form of intoxication.
And what about functioning at a job?
This was well documented by the director of Student Health Services at UC Berkeley back in the early 1960s when the pot craze first became widespread. It received a 5 line article buried in the back pages of the San Francisco Chronicle at the time, while peace and love and groovy hipsters received daily front page coverage, and hasn't been reported much since.
It actually reminds me of today's global warming scams, IRS abuses, and Benghazi treason by the WH and Hillary. The lamestream media cabal seems to be trying to cover up the truth in these matters.
Legal or not, people will smoke pot.
My personal experience.
I haven’t seen any alcoholics where their habit has destroyed their lives nor I have I seen the utter destruction of a person’s life like pot.
The change is dramatic and it happens quickly.
A federal system is supposed to be a system that allows experimentation, if the voters choose it. I have no problem with this.
Sorry. I am a bit of a zealot.
Because the potheads might be your or someone else's sons or daughters and you love them.
Kids already smoke pot. They wouldn’t be getting it legally anyway. There is an age limit for “legal” pot use.
It’s quite alright. I don’t drink or do any drugs. I just don’t care if other adults smoke pot.
Let’s stop pretending that there was never any pot in Colorado before it was legalized. Or any other state, or country, for that matter.
It’s used, widespread, on a daily basis by a significant segment of the entire population, even people that work, and society hasn’t collapsed yet.
1. On the one hand, I can see why a government would maintain a public interest in protecting its citizens from destructive things like narcotics.
2. On the other hand, a government in a free nation has no business legislating what people can or cannot ingest into their own bodies.
I've finally just decided that I don't really care one way or another. If someone wants to get strung out on something, then that's fine with me -- as long as they show up for work on Monday morning and don't make themselves a burden on anyone else.
I guess we’ll find out.
And, ya ya ya.... it is illegal. Certainly didn't prevent people before. Only now MORE people will be using. The stigma is gone.
But hey, its illegal for kids so the kids shouldn't be smoking anyway. /sarc
Of the four dopeheads I knew from high school days, two died thanks to their “habit,” and the remaining two have become slow-witted dullards whose conversations are peppered endlessly with “uh...uh...uh’s” and harbor laughable delusions of great intellect.
But that’s America circa-2014 for you. A rotting, decaying nation of dopeheads and degenerates.
If smoking cigarettes is deadly because it causes lung cancer, then smoking unfiltered joints is worse. There are tars in the pot and the pot smoker tends to hold the smoke in the lungs much longer than the smoker of cigarettes does. I would not use the example of cigarette smoking to bolster my claim that pot smoking is less harmful.
Because pot-heads can vote.
I have a theory — it is designed to pacify the population.
A drugged population is easy to manipulate and control.
Exactly. Ironic how cities that ban cigarettes are considering allowing pot.
It should be interesting to see this play out and how the bureaucrats try to explain it away.
Republicans/limited government conservatives should be asking the right questions about government, not pot! *rolls eyes* I mean -- I think the new-age alcoholism is about the least of the problems facing us. Yeeesh.
Outlaw alcohol, outlaw pot -- outlaw guns on the same principle. Blaming pot or alcohol for somebody going totally sideways, is like blaming a gun for a shooting. The government has very, very little place in it
You say more, I disagree.
That, to me, is where the rubber meets the road. When drug users become non or low functioning I now have to take care of them because of their poor decision, either indirectly via taxes and social programs, or directly if it be a family member .
As a citizen I could not just let them die in the gutter and I think that most here could also not do this.
I was hardly trying to say such a thing.
Pot is everywhere, and everyone knows that. In most states, it is frowned upon, people are encouraged to give it up, and in polls people are quite likely to answer "Golly gee willickers, I never smoke that stuff!" when if fact, they do.
Colorado will be a perfectly good experiment where pot can "come out of the closet" and people will have a better chance to see the pluses and minuses without a lot of people trying to hide the truth (good or bad). Other states will follow on this path, and they will also join the experiment.
Eventually, we will see.
I teach repeater (failed a year) English in high school and it is FULL of stoners telling me that pot is perfectly harmless. And they’re failing the class again.
“I havent seen any alcoholics where their habit has destroyed their lives nor I have I seen the utter destruction of a persons life like pot.”
I understand the reasoning and for the most part agree, but we are no longer in a country where we can live and let live. We are socialists now. Any increased medical expenses, or inability of others to pay their medical expenses by not being able to work, does have a direct affect on me now. What someone else does with their own bodies is now of critical importance to me.
Now that I'm going to be 60 this year, I almost am glad I did use it again, as an adult, because I saw clearly for myself how my thinking was affected. I might not have realized just how harmful it is if I hadn't seen it for myself.
“OK, I guess Ill have to play devils advocate -
some people can use weed occasionally and still function, hold steady jobs, pay taxes, etc.
And some cant. Just like alcohol. Another form of intoxication.”
I agree with that. I have several friends in different professions who smoke it maybe twice a week and have for at least 30 years. They are all quite successful in their work, and one not only owns a large small business which he runs but also studied the stock market and made a lot of money there.
It really is like alcohol. The sad stories we hear would likely happen about the same way if they took to heavy drinking when they were young and continued it throughout life
The most insidious thing about pot is how it convinces users how completely harmless it is. Only Satan is as effective in doing that.
I knew a kid in the 7th grade that smoked pot. He continued to earn straight A’s all the way through college.