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Asking the Right Questions about Pot
The American Thinker ^ | 1-12-14 | Sally Zelikovsky

Posted on 01/12/2014 9:26:07 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic

He was in high school and quite brilliant. The kind of kid who didn't pick up a book all year and aced all of his honors and AP tests -- in complex subjects like Physics. He was also musically gifted. But he couldn't stop smoking weed. The school and his parents did all they could; he even took up sports so he wouldn't go home after school and smoke.

The more he smoked, the more he slacked off, the less frequently he attended class, did his work, and participated in class. They finally expelled him.

He was last seen walking on 101 in the wee hours of the morning on meth, punching and flailing at the police who pulled over to see if he was okay. ----- I typed his papers in college -- mostly for his philosophy and intellectual history classes. It's how I earned extra cash. He'd call me up -- completely wasted -- at the last minute and ask me to type his works of art, works of brilliance. He'd really nailed it this time. He was admittedly bright, but years of smoking dope left his brain all a jumble and his papers unintelligible -- a collection of disparate fragments scribbled on several sheets of paper. I'd try to edit the papers so they'd make sense but it was futile to get inside his muddled thoughts. In his mind, though, he was onto something big, his thoughts coherent and his papers exceptional. ----- My German professor wanted to help me clean up my senior thesis but had to toke up before he could sit down for a few hours and help. He needed a spliff to work on anything academic. But... he wasn't addicted. ------

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This is an important article which matches my observations over the years. It's funny how pot heads will defend their own brilliance while those around them watch them falling apart. Many have made this same ovservation, but their cautions are drowned out by the voices who demand legalization of pot.
1 posted on 01/12/2014 9:26:08 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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2 posted on 01/12/2014 9:28:53 AM PST by Zeneta
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To: afraidfortherepublic

It is impossible to have a meaningful conversation with a pot head. Eventually you have to ask them to come back when the have been off the stuff for a month and it has flushed out of their system. Then you can talk.


3 posted on 01/12/2014 9:29:13 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Hopefully the low information voters of Colorado will see this and the errors of their ways and remove the legality of pot.


4 posted on 01/12/2014 9:33:36 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

You can’t save the world, especially potheads. Why bother?


5 posted on 01/12/2014 9:34:54 AM PST by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: BenLurkin
Eventually you have to ask them to come back when the have been off the stuff for a month and it has flushed out of their system. Then you can talk.

Even then, you might not be able to talk. Studies are showing that the brain damage from pot use is still there after two years (suggesting that it is permanent), and it doesn't even have to be very heavy use.

6 posted on 01/12/2014 9:37:10 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I had trouble understanding the stoners amongst my friends in college. I understand “getting wasted” and partying. This is something that has gone on for thousands of years. But I didn’t understand the need to get high before doing ANYTHING. “Let’s go here and do this.” “Yeah, let’s get high first!” And they always had to get high before EVERYTHING. I don’t actually feel that marijuana would make everything better all the time. Time and place for everything.


7 posted on 01/12/2014 9:38:20 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: afraidfortherepublic
I AGREE 100%!!!!!

I saw the affects of pot use in high school. I knew a couple of dopers. They were very smart, doing well in school and started smoking. 15 years later out of high school they were stuck in neutral and still doing drugs and dealing to cover their habit. Lives were destroyed.

Christopher Lloyd's character on Taxi was spot on. His character was meant to be funny but it was factual.

One thing about pot is that it saps a person's will and motivation and it doesn't dissipate right away. No, it is not a stereotype. And the effects can last for several days and even weeks. Well within the window of smoking again.

8 posted on 01/12/2014 9:39:53 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: mountainlion
We are living in ground zero.

Watch out other states. First there is medical mj and then full legalization. Medical mj is designed to desensitized the voters to the real goal of full legalization.

9 posted on 01/12/2014 9:41:19 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: umgud

Because they influence our children and grandchildren. My children never fell into this habit (”Mom would kill us!) but I don’t have the same control over my grandchildren. Scares the bejeebees out of me.


10 posted on 01/12/2014 9:43:07 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: exDemMom

And yes, it changes the brain chemistry. Interesting point — many people can’t get high the first couple of times smoking.

Some how the body gets tuned into the drugs in pot and it is a life time change. The brain chemistry changes.


11 posted on 01/12/2014 9:43:45 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: exDemMom

I deal with two parents with alzheimers every day. Memory is so very important. Yet the stoners amongst my college friends have huge lacunae in their memories of those years, and — far worse — seem to be more forgetful now than non ex stoners as well. And it is worse for those who keep smoking into their 40s. One friend doesn’t remember what she told me before, not once in a while, but always, and she still smokes pot. Who would want that? It can’t be just about getting “high” at that point.

I am not a doctor but I could see, by the strong effect on the pancreas, that there may be a habit forming around the lowered blood sugar effect. It could be part of a metabolic disorder. Maybe a vicious circle kind of thing.


12 posted on 01/12/2014 9:47:09 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: afraidfortherepublic

...years of smoking dope left his brain all a jumble and his papers unintelligible -- a collection of disparate fragments scribbled on several sheets of paper. I'd try to edit the papers so they'd make sense but it was futile to get inside his muddled thoughts. In his mind, though, he was onto something big, his thoughts coherent and his papers exceptional.

13 posted on 01/12/2014 9:48:28 AM PST by Zakeet (If socialists understood economics, they wouldn't be socialists - Friedrich Hayek)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
And the permissive nature will make it a lot more available in high school and junior high. Maybe even elementary school.

Ya, ya, ya. I know, it is illegal to bring it on campus or to smoke it if you are under age. It is a lie or naive or both to think that it won't happen more often.

14 posted on 01/12/2014 9:48:53 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I have seen this in my life. I had a friend like myself—a nerd—He wrote science fiction stories and they were good—better than mine. But he turned Hippie in college—smoked pot all the time and moved on the LSD and other drugs. He thought it made him more brilliant—it didn’t. He dropped out. Now he is a shell of what he was—walking the streets, living with his long suffering mother. He could have done great things if it wasn’t for pot. It has ruined too many people over the years. The best and brightest and being lost to us by this drug craze. Boose is bad enough why add to it?


15 posted on 01/12/2014 9:49:52 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: afraidfortherepublic; All

OK, I guess I’ll have to play devil’s advocate -

some people can use weed occasionally and still function, hold steady jobs, pay taxes, etc.

And some can’t. Just like alcohol. Another form of intoxication.


16 posted on 01/12/2014 9:51:18 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: BenLurkin

And what about functioning at a job?


17 posted on 01/12/2014 9:51:39 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: exDemMom
Studies are showing that the brain damage from pot use is still there after two years (suggesting that it is permanent), and it doesn't even have to be very heavy use.

This was well documented by the director of Student Health Services at UC Berkeley back in the early 1960s when the pot craze first became widespread. It received a 5 line article buried in the back pages of the San Francisco Chronicle at the time, while peace and love and groovy hipsters received daily front page coverage, and hasn't been reported much since.

It actually reminds me of today's global warming scams, IRS abuses, and Benghazi treason by the WH and Hillary. The lamestream media cabal seems to be trying to cover up the truth in these matters.

18 posted on 01/12/2014 9:51:59 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: dhs12345

Legal or not, people will smoke pot.


19 posted on 01/12/2014 9:54:47 AM PST by EEGator
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To: canuck_conservative

My personal experience.

I haven’t seen any alcoholics where their habit has destroyed their lives nor I have I seen the utter destruction of a person’s life like pot.

The change is dramatic and it happens quickly.


20 posted on 01/12/2014 9:55:47 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: EEGator
And the more permissive and readily available, children, the most vulnerable, will smoke it too. No doubt.
21 posted on 01/12/2014 9:56:49 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: EEGator
A federal system is a great way for people across the country to see what works and what doesn't. If, over the next 20-30 years, Colorado does really well and produces about the same number of good citizens as any other state, then marijuana use won't be an issue. If, on the other hand, Colorado slides into decline, perhaps people may decide that this experiment was a mistake.

A federal system is supposed to be a system that allows experimentation, if the voters choose it. I have no problem with this.

22 posted on 01/12/2014 9:59:31 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Anti-Complacency League! Baby!)
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To: EEGator

Sorry. I am a bit of a zealot.


23 posted on 01/12/2014 10:00:22 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345
I haven’t seen any alcoholics where their habit has destroyed their lives

Really?

24 posted on 01/12/2014 10:00:35 AM PST by muggs (Hope and Change = Hoax and Chains)
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To: umgud
You can’t save the world, especially potheads. Why bother?

Because the potheads might be your or someone else's sons or daughters and you love them.

25 posted on 01/12/2014 10:01:48 AM PST by infool7 (The ugly truth is just a big lie.)
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To: dhs12345

Kids already smoke pot. They wouldn’t be getting it legally anyway. There is an age limit for “legal” pot use.


26 posted on 01/12/2014 10:01:52 AM PST by EEGator
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To: ClearCase_guy
Hate that my state is the guinea pig. And it if turns out poorly which I predict.... oops, we f’d up. So sorry.
27 posted on 01/12/2014 10:02:58 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

It’s quite alright. I don’t drink or do any drugs. I just don’t care if other adults smoke pot.


28 posted on 01/12/2014 10:03:20 AM PST by EEGator
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To: ClearCase_guy

Oh please.

Let’s stop pretending that there was never any pot in Colorado before it was legalized. Or any other state, or country, for that matter.

It’s used, widespread, on a daily basis by a significant segment of the entire population, even people that work, and society hasn’t collapsed yet.


29 posted on 01/12/2014 10:04:48 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: afraidfortherepublic
This is an interesting topic because I can understand it and argue it from both sides.

1. On the one hand, I can see why a government would maintain a public interest in protecting its citizens from destructive things like narcotics.

2. On the other hand, a government in a free nation has no business legislating what people can or cannot ingest into their own bodies.

I've finally just decided that I don't really care one way or another. If someone wants to get strung out on something, then that's fine with me -- as long as they show up for work on Monday morning and don't make themselves a burden on anyone else.

30 posted on 01/12/2014 10:04:49 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: ClearCase_guy

I guess we’ll find out.


31 posted on 01/12/2014 10:06:01 AM PST by EEGator
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To: EEGator
Total bs. The point is MORE kids will smoke it.

And, ya ya ya.... it is illegal. Certainly didn't prevent people before. Only now MORE people will be using. The stigma is gone.

32 posted on 01/12/2014 10:07:02 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: EEGator
And kids?

But hey, its illegal for kids so the kids shouldn't be smoking anyway. /sarc

33 posted on 01/12/2014 10:09:20 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Of the four dopeheads I knew from high school days, two died thanks to their “habit,” and the remaining two have become slow-witted dullards whose conversations are peppered endlessly with “uh...uh...uh’s” and harbor laughable delusions of great intellect.

But that’s America circa-2014 for you. A rotting, decaying nation of dopeheads and degenerates.


34 posted on 01/12/2014 10:09:55 AM PST by greene66
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To: afraidfortherepublic

If smoking cigarettes is deadly because it causes lung cancer, then smoking unfiltered joints is worse. There are tars in the pot and the pot smoker tends to hold the smoke in the lungs much longer than the smoker of cigarettes does. I would not use the example of cigarette smoking to bolster my claim that pot smoking is less harmful.


35 posted on 01/12/2014 10:11:53 AM PST by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: umgud

Because pot-heads can vote.


36 posted on 01/12/2014 10:12:38 AM PST by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: greene66

I have a theory — it is designed to pacify the population.

A drugged population is easy to manipulate and control.


37 posted on 01/12/2014 10:13:32 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: FrdmLvr

Exactly. Ironic how cities that ban cigarettes are considering allowing pot.

It should be interesting to see this play out and how the bureaucrats try to explain it away.


38 posted on 01/12/2014 10:16:01 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: afraidfortherepublic
So sad … reminds me of a semi-brother family friend I’ve known all my life, so bright and witty as a kid, brilliant, really. Same story, only worse – he ended up killing somebody when he was high on the stuff, and spent time in prison. Back out, but still high most of the time, can’t drive, has to ride a bicycle. Clearly brain damaged, in his sixties, the bright young guy of old long gone, a different person, almost. And he’s probably only smoked maybe one cigarette’s worth of pot in his lifetime. His “high” was and is still legal; his crime is one of human weakness, the one that Christianity shows the path away from. Not government.

Republicans/limited government conservatives should be asking the right questions about government, not pot! *rolls eyes* I mean -- I think the new-age alcoholism is about the least of the problems facing us. Yeeesh.

Outlaw alcohol, outlaw pot -- outlaw guns on the same principle. Blaming pot or alcohol for somebody going totally sideways, is like blaming a gun for a shooting. The government has very, very little place in it

39 posted on 01/12/2014 10:16:44 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: dhs12345

You say more, I disagree.


40 posted on 01/12/2014 10:21:15 AM PST by EEGator
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To: Alberta's Child
If someone wants to get strung out on something, then that's fine with me -- as long as they show up for work on Monday morning and don't make themselves a burden on anyone else.

That, to me, is where the rubber meets the road. When drug users become non or low functioning I now have to take care of them because of their poor decision, either indirectly via taxes and social programs, or directly if it be a family member .

As a citizen I could not just let them die in the gutter and I think that most here could also not do this.

41 posted on 01/12/2014 10:21:27 AM PST by bubbacluck (America 180)
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To: canuck_conservative
Let’s stop pretending that there was never any pot in Colorado before it was legalized.

I was hardly trying to say such a thing.

Pot is everywhere, and everyone knows that. In most states, it is frowned upon, people are encouraged to give it up, and in polls people are quite likely to answer "Golly gee willickers, I never smoke that stuff!" when if fact, they do.

Colorado will be a perfectly good experiment where pot can "come out of the closet" and people will have a better chance to see the pluses and minuses without a lot of people trying to hide the truth (good or bad). Other states will follow on this path, and they will also join the experiment.

Eventually, we will see.

42 posted on 01/12/2014 10:21:55 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Anti-Complacency League! Baby!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I teach repeater (failed a year) English in high school and it is FULL of stoners telling me that pot is perfectly harmless. And they’re failing the class again.


43 posted on 01/12/2014 10:22:26 AM PST by struggle
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To: dhs12345

“I haven’t seen any alcoholics where their habit has destroyed their lives nor I have I seen the utter destruction of a person’s life like pot.”

Remarkable.


44 posted on 01/12/2014 10:23:08 AM PST by Fuzz
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To: Alberta's Child
I've finally just decided that I don't really care one way or another. If someone wants to get strung out on something, then that's fine with me -- as long as they show up for work on Monday morning and don't make themselves a burden on anyone else.

I understand the reasoning and for the most part agree, but we are no longer in a country where we can live and let live. We are socialists now. Any increased medical expenses, or inability of others to pay their medical expenses by not being able to work, does have a direct affect on me now. What someone else does with their own bodies is now of critical importance to me.

45 posted on 01/12/2014 10:24:10 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Yaelle
I have to admit I smoked dope in the later part of high school and in college. I don't think it had too much of a lasting effect on me at that time (but who knows, really?) For a stretch of most of my 20's after graduating at 21, I never smoked. Along about the age of 29 - 30, I started smoking again intermittently. I most definitely DID notice a change in my brain power, in my memory and the ability to think clearly after I took it up again. It took a long time to work through that, and to not feel like I had stunted my ability to think. I can remember wishing I had never gotten involved with it again.

Now that I'm going to be 60 this year, I almost am glad I did use it again, as an adult, because I saw clearly for myself how my thinking was affected. I might not have realized just how harmful it is if I hadn't seen it for myself.

46 posted on 01/12/2014 10:33:04 AM PST by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: canuck_conservative

“OK, I guess I’ll have to play devil’s advocate -

some people can use weed occasionally and still function, hold steady jobs, pay taxes, etc.

And some can’t. Just like alcohol. Another form of intoxication.”

I agree with that. I have several friends in different professions who smoke it maybe twice a week and have for at least 30 years. They are all quite successful in their work, and one not only owns a large small business which he runs but also studied the stock market and made a lot of money there.

It really is like alcohol. The sad stories we hear would likely happen about the same way if they took to heavy drinking when they were young and continued it throughout life


47 posted on 01/12/2014 10:33:53 AM PST by angry elephant (Endangered species in Seattle)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The most insidious thing about pot is how it convinces users how completely harmless it is. Only Satan is as effective in doing that.


48 posted on 01/12/2014 10:34:12 AM PST by OrangeHoof (2001-2008: "Dissent Is Patriotism!" 2009-2016: "Dissent Is Racism!")
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To: Zakeet

ROTF!!!


49 posted on 01/12/2014 10:35:19 AM PST by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I knew a kid in the 7th grade that smoked pot. He continued to earn straight A’s all the way through college.


50 posted on 01/12/2014 10:35:38 AM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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