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Entrepreneur: Boost Calif. wages to $12-an-hour
AP ^ | 12 JANUARY 2013 | MICHAEL BLOOD

Posted on 01/12/2014 10:48:56 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Democrats across the nation are eager to make increasing the minimum wage a defining campaign issue in 2014, but in California a proposal to boost the pay rate to $12 an hour is coming from a different point on the political compass.

Ron Unz, a Silicon Valley multimillionaire and registered Republican who once ran for governor and, briefly, U.S. Senate, wants state voters to endorse the wage jump that he predicts would nourish the economy and lift low-paid workers from dependency on food stamps and other assistance bankrolled by taxpayers.

A push for bigger paychecks for workers at the lower rungs of the economic ladder is typically associated with Democrats — President Barack Obama is supporting a bill in Congress that would elevate the $7.25 federal minimum to over $10 an hour.

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"See, see evil right-wingers! A Republican supports a higher minimum-wage, so we ALL need to get on board so we can save the Democrat's ass in 2014 and achieve Utopia!"
1 posted on 01/12/2014 10:48:56 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Keep minimum wage exactly where it is at.

However, bring back American jobs now.


2 posted on 01/12/2014 10:51:02 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

This man is not a conservative or libertarian, he is a fool


3 posted on 01/12/2014 10:52:02 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Wow, Unz is a retard. This is the dumbest thing I have ever read. He should call it the Illegal Alien Full Employment Act of 2014.
4 posted on 01/12/2014 10:55:16 AM PST by montag813
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Why not boost the California minimum wage to exactly the same hourly rate earned by California legislators.


5 posted on 01/12/2014 10:56:19 AM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I have no problem with California doing this and seeing if it works. I’ll be watching from out of state though.


6 posted on 01/12/2014 10:56:45 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: GeronL

Do you remember the campaign to pass Prop 187? Our attempt to do something about the flood of illegals inundating California?

Ron Unz supported the illegal aliens in that fight. There’s a great picture of him giving a speech surrounded by a sea of Mexican flags.


7 posted on 01/12/2014 10:59:09 AM PST by Pelham (Obamacare, the vanguard of Obammunism)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Business will respond in one of two ways with an increase in minimum wage (or do both). Fire someone or increase prices.

The net effect of increasing minimum wage with out an increase in production is more unemployment and higher prices.

Really the only ones that benefit from increasing minimum wage are unions, especially government employee unions since they are free from all normal economic restraints.


8 posted on 01/12/2014 11:00:11 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN (I do not doubt that our climate changes. I only doubt that anything man does has any effect.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

As soon as union scum are all pushed into the oceans, American competitiveness will improve.


9 posted on 01/12/2014 11:00:21 AM PST by dinodino
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

If jobs and upward mobility are the golden “eggs,” then when foxes are in charge of the hen house, egg production will soon become nonexistent.


10 posted on 01/12/2014 11:01:54 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: CIB-173RDABN

Businesses are likelier to fire all their employees and start using contract work or learn new skills to run their businesses themselves for effectively.


11 posted on 01/12/2014 11:02:00 AM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Pelham

bump

Another fake Republican, no doubt the media and this reporter knew all of that before they wrote this propaganda tripe


12 posted on 01/12/2014 11:03:29 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Keep minimum wage exactly where it is at.

However, bring back American jobs now.

Eliminate the minimum wage and create jobs even faster.

A guy living in West Monroe, Louisiana doesn't want or need to make the same minimum wage as a guy in Noo Yawk City.

And think of all the high schoolers who would love a part time job after school...but the minimum wage prevents that.

13 posted on 01/12/2014 11:04:19 AM PST by RoosterRedux (The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing -- Socrates)
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To: dinodino

So in order to fight “unions” (a very small portion of America’s workforce anymore) we send jobs to for example...

The PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF CHINA?

The largest union in history?

Sure. I’m following that plan. You betcha.


14 posted on 01/12/2014 11:05:19 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

One thing is for sure - if we’d just handed the cash to poor people starting in the 60s instead of wasting trillions as we’ve done on social engineering welfare programs, it would have done more good.


15 posted on 01/12/2014 11:05:20 AM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I want minimum wage at 3 mexican pesos so these lazy turds on the govt dole would finally get off their asses, use their brains, and get an actual job. It’s not my fault you ask me which combo size of burgers I want..


16 posted on 01/12/2014 11:05:56 AM PST by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: CIB-173RDABN
The Cato Institute has a great piece on Mike Rowe and his focus on the skills gap in America.

Today's teens are no longer mowing lawns, shoveling snow, or starting at the bottom. They've been indoctrinated to go to college and achieve some worthless degree in diversity or gender studies.

Rowe said there's actually tons of jobs available but these jobs no one wants to do because they think its beneath them or they don't have the basic skills to do them.

17 posted on 01/12/2014 11:08:53 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (15 years of FReeping! Congratulations EEE!!)
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To: GeronL
This man is not a conservative or libertarian, he is a fool

He does not realize that labor costs are a Major part of product costs. Once you raise minimum wage, retailers will have to raise their prices, the government will recalculate the poverty level because everything is more expensive and we will be right back where we started.

18 posted on 01/12/2014 11:09:30 AM PST by oldbrowser (discriminating against a culture is not racism.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Reason.com, not Cato Institute.


19 posted on 01/12/2014 11:09:47 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (15 years of FReeping! Congratulations EEE!!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Minimum wage in CA is currently at $8 per hour. July 1 it jumps to $9 per hour. Jan 1, 2016 it jumps to $10 per hour. We are getting to $12 just a little slower.


20 posted on 01/12/2014 11:12:56 AM PST by Conservative4Ever (Happy New Year 2014)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

We don’t “send jobs” anywhere. Only a union idiot would believe that.


21 posted on 01/12/2014 11:13:43 AM PST by dinodino
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Unz was publisher of The American Conservative from 2007 to 2013. He also set up a pretty good website for researching recent history, unz.com.

Unz is hard to pin down ideologically. He ran against Pete Wilson in California in 1994. Was Ron Unz the conservative alternative to the liberal Wilson? Or did Unz's stand on immigration make him more liberal than Wilson? Hard to untangle, maybe?

Unz's idea here is that higher working wages would mean the working poor wouldn't have to rely on government benefits like food stamps and medicaid. I don't think it would work out that way, but will resist the temptation to simply pile on and attack the man for expressing his opinion.

22 posted on 01/12/2014 11:17:10 AM PST by x
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To: GeronL

A lengthy piece by Ron Unz in which he warned of the looming danger of white nationalism, as represented by primitives of the redneck sort who were fed up with the flood of foreign nationals illegally inviting themselves to live in California:

“California and the End of White America”

http://www.ronunz.org/1999/10/17/california-and-the-end-of-white-america-2/

Our South Central LA pal Terry Anderson would have been amused to learn that he was a dangerous white nationalist. But then he knew Ron Unz to be the divisive and opportunistic phoney that he is.


23 posted on 01/12/2014 11:17:41 AM PST by Pelham (Obamacare, the vanguard of Obammunism)
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To: dinodino

Sure we do.

And I’m no union idiot.

Of course we send jobs places. Don’t be ridiculous.


24 posted on 01/12/2014 11:19:52 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Conservative4Ever

Pay people more.....more cash in peoples pockets means people will start spending and prices will go up, right?
In a year 12 dollars a hr will be like the 8 dollars they used to get paid.


25 posted on 01/12/2014 11:20:41 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

so we will have even LESS jobs and ever the more people signing up for the dole...

will these destructive people ever quit ? !?

hang on, friends, hang on... we have 3 more years of this downwards spiral....


26 posted on 01/12/2014 11:21:11 AM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Oh, do “we?” Are you an employer? I am. Why don’t you explain to us how one goes about “sending a job.”

What economic and regulatory factors do you suppose might adversely affect American competitiveness?


27 posted on 01/12/2014 11:22:02 AM PST by dinodino
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I went to school with Ron Unz, No. Hollywood High 76-79. The guy was brilliant, brain of the school, was self made wealthy by his early 20's.

But he's dead wrong here.

28 posted on 01/12/2014 11:24:56 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Rowe said there's actually tons of jobs available but these jobs no one wants to do because they think its beneath them or they don't have the basic skills to do them.

Aren't there also issues with how some people would rather pick up the illegal alien on the street corner rather than hire the neighbor boy, due to liability issues/laws about hiring minors/tax issues etc.?

It isn't just "office jobs" (read: nonprofits, generally left-leaning) that build good work skills. There are many kinds of work skills to be built. One thing young people need to learn is how things are made and how money is made. Mike Rowe is right: they do need to get their hands dirty.

29 posted on 01/12/2014 11:26:18 AM PST by thecodont
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To: dinodino

Employers send jobs all the time.

I am an employee so I am not speaking as a sender, but many many Americans have been unemployed by “American” companies who laid off the Americans, and sent their jobs to elsewhere. The exact jobs the Americans were doing, is now done in another country for less money.

Happens all the time. Millions and millions of jobs.

America has been racked by this, for an entire generation now.

Absolutely.

I’m not saying there isn’t a reason. Which is why I want our government to recognize this and change our tax code to start to entice American jobs back, to America.

But I absolutely think jobs are sent.

Every day. Absolutely.


30 posted on 01/12/2014 11:29:20 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I am an employee so I am not speaking as a sender, but many many Americans have been unemployed by “American” companies who laid off the Americans, and sent their jobs to elsewhere. The exact jobs the Americans were doing, is now done in another country for less money.

You answered your own PITA refrain right there, for less money.

How would you propose companies manufacture product and sell at competitive prices when the cost to produce here cost exponentially more?

The short answer is, they can't and they won't...if they want to survive.

Where was the computer manufactured that you're typing on, did you send money to China?

31 posted on 01/12/2014 11:36:12 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Pelham; oldbrowser

A leftist plant pretending to be a conservative. Nothing new under the sun for socialists and their media propagandists


32 posted on 01/12/2014 11:38:51 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

That is why I think it is high time for America to begin to charge significant import tariffs.

We are for crying out loud, now 17 trillion dollars in debt.

17 trillion dollars.

Bring back American manufacturing. If we charged import tariffs you would have defenses to competition from overseas, and you could have 100% ownership in your company right here.

Just saying. We’re not on opposite sides, I assure you.


33 posted on 01/12/2014 11:40:05 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

>> Today’s teens are no longer mowing lawns, shoveling snow, or starting at the bottom.

Those services used to occur well before college. But I think liability concerns also turned off that particular labor faucet.


34 posted on 01/12/2014 11:44:03 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Increasing tariffs will do nothing but raise prices to the consumer. The incentive for companies to relocate back her would have to be massive, and it's never going to happen.

When, was the last time you ever saw treasury revenues used to pay down the debt?.

LOL, too many votes to buy, you'll never see it in your lifetime.

BTW, where is the computer you're typing on manufactured?

I've asked you that twice now on this thread and once on another thread earlier.

Why won't you answer?

35 posted on 01/12/2014 11:47:25 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

China. My computer is imported from China. Sorry I wasn’t deliberately avoiding the question.

It’s an “American” brand as well.

Why? I believe is supports my point. Trade tariffs are a very important thing for America right now.

Bring back American jobs.

We need to balance out the global sourcing equation. Right now, it is entirely out of balance, and China is gobbling up ever more of the global sourcing market.

Yes. Even mine. I admit it.


36 posted on 01/12/2014 11:51:11 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

California has ten an hour coming and it will reduce even further job availability.

Why and how does the low end benefit from not being hired?

You have to always get 200% from the employee to justify the wage. They are playing monopoly instead of the real world here.


37 posted on 01/12/2014 11:55:39 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Tariffs won't bring back jobs, they will only raise consumer prices.

Address that please.

38 posted on 01/12/2014 11:58:34 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: A CA Guy

Yeah I’m in California as well.

I have for a long time, been wanting to move.

So far, my job has however kept me here. We have lost about 50% of our American employees thus far though.

When that eventually has an issue, I’ll be out of here in a heartbeat.

No question.


39 posted on 01/12/2014 12:00:01 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: dinodino
Why don’t you explain to us how one goes about “sending a job.”

Easy.

An employer in the US tells an employee in the US "Your services are no longer needed". Then, they send an e-mail to the division in India saying "You are now responsible for performing the work that the guy over here that I just got rid of used to do".

If that job involves software development, the division in India will fail miserably, but the Morons with MBAs in the US will rub their hands together in glee, saying "Yes, they're failing, but they're failing inexpensively".

40 posted on 01/12/2014 12:03:55 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Since the inception of establishing a “minimum wage” the very basic coin of the realm,the cent, has become valueless. Todays penny costs more to make than its assigned value. Even Canada stopped making them.

Yet this is not an argument for abolishing the coin itself. But to point out when a minimum wage rate is raised it affixes a given rate of inflation to the period of time it’s emplaced. All raising the minimum wage does actually is devalue the dollar because costs (purchase prices) eventually get adjusted in time, which is never discussed by those advancing the argument, to compensate for the devalued increase..

When economists discuss monetary value, which is the purchasing power of that unit, they allways refer to the top value of the coin of the realm in our (US) case it’s the dollar which is composed of 100 cents not the most basic unit which is the penny. .

A case in point is in the 1940’s a candy bar cost 5 cents when the hourly minimum wage was $.50 per hour. What does it cost today ? Likewise what were the costs of basic goods and services during that period of time as compared with todays basic wage feel good tinkering ?

Who gets hurt the worst when these adjustments are decreed by government? It’s those living on fixed incomes who’s income value is based on previous minimum wage levels such as social security but not adjusted to the previous current rates of inflation. and that also includes living on government subsidies because those subsidies eventually get increased. .

When these feel good socialists frauds under the democrat party banner propose these increases. That is never considered as they pound their breasts claiming they’re for the little guy. All they’re doing is un-necessarily raising the price on goods and services broadening the demand that those affected seek help from them..


41 posted on 01/12/2014 12:07:13 PM PST by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

How does someone live on $8.50 an hour?


42 posted on 01/12/2014 12:17:51 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

What’s the impact of two parents trying to live on $8.00 an hour?


43 posted on 01/12/2014 12:19:29 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
...wants state voters to endorse the wage jump that he predicts would nourish the economy and lift low-paid workers from dependency on food stamps and other assistance bankrolled by taxpayers.

So for an extra $3/hr ($9-$12) the low paid workers will give up $5/hr in freebies? Not likely. But make it gainful and there are plenty of retirees who would be happy for part time work. Retirees don't need healthcare or unions and show up on time.

44 posted on 01/12/2014 12:27:27 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: montag813
Illegal Alien Full Employment Act of 2014.

High minimum wage hurts illegals as more qualified (and legal) people will apply.

45 posted on 01/12/2014 12:30:05 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
“would nourish the economy and lift low-paid workers from dependency on food stamps and other assistance bankrolled by taxpayers”

Yeah, right like the Gubermint wouldn't tweak the threshold for qualifying for Welfare/EBT etc. They would have their $12 per hour, and their welfare on the Middle classes teat.

46 posted on 01/12/2014 12:39:03 PM PST by DAC21
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Maybe he's a clever schemer.

A very high minimum wage makes the "riff-raff" too expensive to employ.

Maybe he's trying to drive away the poor.

It's a sneaky way of "cleaning up" California.

47 posted on 01/12/2014 12:53:46 PM PST by freerepublicchat
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To: gunsequalfreedom
“What’s the impact of two parents trying to live on $8.00 an hour?”

About 25% less pay when Jamba Juice cuts one of them loose when their labor overhead just went up significantly. There in lies the real problem, two so called adults with kids working for minimum wage. I can type for an hour why the left has gotten society to this point.

48 posted on 01/12/2014 12:54:04 PM PST by DAC21
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To: DuncanWaring

So the division in India is a subsidiary of the US company? Why was that subsidiary formed in the first place? What factors drove this decision? FYI, I have formed and owned multiple software firms in multiple countries. I take it you are not management and have no clue how to run a company, based on your rather stupid MBA comment.


49 posted on 01/12/2014 12:55:02 PM PST by dinodino
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To: freerepublicchat

“It’s a sneaky way of “cleaning up” California”

Nope, the poor does fairly well in Kalifonia making ZERO dollars an hour.


50 posted on 01/12/2014 12:56:39 PM PST by DAC21
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