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Texas gun show pulls plug; refuses to comply with Demsí background checks
bizpacreview.com ^ | 01/12/14 | Joe Saunders

Posted on 01/13/2014 4:41:08 AM PST by harpu

A regular gun show that has been a staple of Austin, Texas, since 2010 will end this month because its organizer refuses to obey local Democrats’ demands for background checks that go beyond state and federal laws.

“It is not really my job to infringe on anyone’s rights,” said Todd Beiter, the owner of Saxet Gun Shows, which has hosted gun shows at the Travis County Exposition Center for four years, according to the Austin American-Satesman.

The gun show set for Jan. 25-26 will go on because it has a lease on the site. The show won’t be held next year, though, because the contract will not be renewed.

At issue is the Travis County Commission Court’s demand that Saxet require background checks for private sales at the gun show.

Federally licensed gun dealers must already perform background checks – to make sure potential buyers aren’t felons prohibited from owning guns – but private citizens don’t have undergo the screenings. That wasn’t good enough for the Travis County Commissioners Court (four Democrats, one Republican), which demanded the 10 percent of guns purchased at the show by private citizens be submitted to a background check, too.

“If you use a public facility to sell guns, we really oughta have background checks done. Or don’t use the facility,” County Judge Sam Biscoe, the commission’s chairman, told the American-Statesman.

The Texas State Rifle Association says the Democratic commissioners are going too far. Alice Tripp, a lobbyist for the rifle association, called the background check demand “political.”

“Saxet Gun Shows operate by state and federal law. That has never been in question,” Tripp said, according to the American-Statesman. “The only person that would be harmed by this county commissioners’ requirement is Todd Beiter, the owner of Saxet Gun Shows.”

The Democrats of Travis County have been on a tear against gun rights along with their liberal fellow travelers in the rest of the country. Last year, they courted a legal fight with Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott – a leading contender to succeed Gov. Rick Perry – when they tried to close the so-called “gun-show loophole” on background checks.They backed down after Abbott detailed the state’s position.

“If Austin or Travis Co. try to ban gun shows they better be ready for a double-barreled lawsuit,” Abbott wrote in a tweet.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment

1 posted on 01/13/2014 4:41:08 AM PST by harpu
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To: harpu

Back Ground Check Form

Name_______________________

Have you ever committed a crime out side the State of Texas
____ Yes ____ No


2 posted on 01/13/2014 4:44:00 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: harpu

Nice blow to the local economy, rats...

They’ll set up somewhere not far where they are welcome and do just fine.


3 posted on 01/13/2014 4:44:42 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: harpu

Hats off to him. Divided we fall.


4 posted on 01/13/2014 4:45:29 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: harpu

move it to Round Rock, Georgetown and they’ll come.


5 posted on 01/13/2014 4:46:29 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: Caipirabob

still ... chip .. chip


6 posted on 01/13/2014 4:50:50 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: 12th_Monkey

Yep, Williamson County would gladly take their share of the $$$

If WC is like when I lived there any thing in the parking lot will have a “background check” done shortly after parking.


7 posted on 01/13/2014 5:03:30 AM PST by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: harpu

Where are the Texan freepers who regularly express their hatred for me because I live in NY State?

This IS happening in Texas, right?


8 posted on 01/13/2014 5:04:02 AM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: harpu

There will be several cities within 30 miles of Austin that will be bidding for this gun show, so the Democrats will only be depriving themselves of the sales tax revenue. They can always raise taxes on the residents for another bike path.


9 posted on 01/13/2014 5:09:48 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: All
More CYA 'BS' (from the local lawmakers)...

Travis County does not renew gun show contract

Travis County Commissioners Court did not renew its contract with Saxet Gun Shows during its Jan. 7 meeting.

Saxet has requested leasing the Travis County Exposition Center for gun shows in 2014 and 2015 using the same terms as in previous years, Judge Samuel Biscoe said.

He added that residents voiced concerns that because not all gun sales at gun shows require background checks, leasing space to gun shows was an inappropriate use of county facilities and a potential public safety risk.

The county wanted to include new terms requiring background checks on all gun sales as part of a new contract. The judge said there were four specific terms the county pitched:

• Requiring all gun show sellers to be federal firearms licensees

• Requiring unlicensed sellers to undergo federal background check procedures for private transfers

• Reducing rent to offset any disadvantages Saxet may face by agreeing to background checks

• Trying background checks at the first gun show of the new contract as a pilot project, and then possibly renegotiate the terms depending on the results.

"Saxet has not been receptive to any of the county's proposed new contract terms," he said.

Because of this, Biscoe made a motion to suspend negotiations until Saxet "indicates a willingness to address issues raised by the county." The motion died for lack of a second.

An alternate motion to continue the gun shows also died for lack of a second. That left the county without a contract, but with the matter still pending, Biscoe said.

Prior to the motions, the court heard from supporters and those opposing the gun shows.

Supporters

Alice Tripp, legislative director for the Texas State Rifle Association, described Saxet Gun Show owner Todd Beiter as an ethical and law-abiding person who pays his bills and gets his insurance.

"We object to any pilot program requirement that the county might add to its contract that would require individual purchasers to get some kind of background check," she said. "This is not covered by state law. This is not required by federal law, and it appears to be an inappropriate manipulation to require it as… before extending his contract."

Emily Dietman, membership coordinator for the Texas State Rifle Association, called Saxet a responsible tenant.

"They do everything possible to adhere to the current laws and to protect their patrons that go there to shop for firearms," she said. "They have security going in, they have security going out and they have security in the parking lot. … We can't prevent criminals from getting guns. We just can't. So what we want to do is protect people's freedoms."

Liz Foley, south Texas field representative for the National Rifle Association, called Beiter a strong supportor of millions of gun owners and Second Amendment supporters in the region and nationwide.

"Rather than asking someone to go through a test of a potential—not even a law, but an enforcement at a local level—perhaps we should look at enforcing existing laws," she said. "The criminals are not following them anyway."

Opposed

Garry Brown, a candidate for the Precinct 2 commissioner's seat, questioned whether Travis County should allow county property and taxpayer dollars to support a system that includes loopholes for high-capacity ammunition magazines and other weapons "that are designed for mass murder [and] certainly not self defense."

Brown said he supports legal and responsible gun ownership and notes that there have been no problems with Saxet in the past.

He cited the tragedies at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. and in Aurora, Colo. that have pointed out glaring flaws in gun laws and how easy it is for people to have access deadly weapons, he said.

"Travis County should not be in the business of making it easier to get these items. I believe it to be inappropriate," Brown said.

He said the county does not know if sales are taking place in the parking lot during events, and that the risk of an incident was not worth the $100,000 in revenue the events generate for the county.

Resident Ed Scruggs said he could live with gun shows continuing at the Expo Center if the promoter volunteers to require background checks on weapons sales. Without it, he said he would continue to oppose hosting the gun shows there "as a matter of public safety and a community statement of our priorities."

"By law, the county has the authority to negotiate business transactions and cannot be forced to enter into new contracts with vendors," he said. "That's what this is: a new contract. … Failing to enter into a new contract does not ban gun shows in Travis County. That is not true. It does not place any additional regulations on shows in private facilities. It does not place an undue burden on consumers. It does not prohibit commercial gun sales anywhere in the county and it does not violate state or federal law. It is strictly a business decision."

Resident David Thomas said Travis County must use its authority to keep citizens safe.

"Background checks do work to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill," he said. "So the county, through its commissioners acting for all of its citizens, must set standards for a gun show to be allowed to do business on public property. Standards take nothing away from anyone's rights."

10 posted on 01/13/2014 5:12:01 AM PST by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: Nik Naym
Where are the Texan freepers who regularly express their hatred for me because I live in NY State

Enjoying breakfast of crow I suspect.....

11 posted on 01/13/2014 5:12:02 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Miss Muffit suffered from arachnophobia.....)
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To: harpu

The little bit of California tucked into Texas.

Out job is to contain it and neutralize it.


12 posted on 01/13/2014 5:13:15 AM PST by bestintxas (Obamacare = Obamascrewed)
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To: Nik Naym

It’s in Austin. That’s not part of the real Texas.


13 posted on 01/13/2014 5:13:42 AM PST by newbolt
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To: Nik Naym

Austin is the home of the university of texas. We tried to quarantine the Leftists there, so they wouldn’t infect the rest of the state. However, San Antonio, with its Communist mayor, and Houston, with its bull dyke mayor, have not escaped. Texas should have closed its borders in 1980.


14 posted on 01/13/2014 5:13:57 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: harpu

Williamson County is about 10 miles north and loaded with happy conservatives who’d welcome the show!


15 posted on 01/13/2014 5:14:35 AM PST by albie (ve`)
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To: Hot Tabasco

There are no “loopholes” at the gun show.

It’s perfectly legal to sell your own gun to someone in a private sale in Texas.


16 posted on 01/13/2014 5:14:52 AM PST by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: Nik Naym
"This IS happening in Texas, right?"

NO...this is Travis County, Austin territory!

This is the same county that prosecuted Tom 'the hammer' Delay and got their conviction over-turned by an adult court.

This is NOT TEXAS! (It's more like Kalifornia!)

17 posted on 01/13/2014 5:17:02 AM PST by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: Nik Naym

This is more about Austin than Travis county, and Austin really isn’t in Texas.

You can see Texas from Austin though.

The place really is a liberal cesspool.

And I certainly do not hate you, in fact I wish you well.

Come on down sometime, I’ll take you to our rifle club.


18 posted on 01/13/2014 5:25:13 AM PST by davetex (Location: The Alamo)
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To: harpu

Austin, TX is like Madison Wi. Both are just a stopping place in the state, full of liberal gun haters and do NOT represent the ENTIRE state.

IMO, move the show someplace else. Rent a huge tent if you have to but, get it done. Show the ba$tards you can live without them.


19 posted on 01/13/2014 5:27:10 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: harpu

Cancelling the gunshow is another victory for the AntiGunners. Which do you think they would prefer, background checks at the gun show or NO GUNSHOW?


20 posted on 01/13/2014 5:38:43 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: davetex

“Come on down sometime, I’ll take you to our rifle club.”

Is that the Austin Rifle Club? I used to belong there when I lived in TX. Every once in a while you had to shoo some cows off the range.


21 posted on 01/13/2014 5:41:00 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: harpu
A regular gun show that has been a staple of Austin, Texas, since 2010

So, for literally ones of years.
22 posted on 01/13/2014 5:41:46 AM PST by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, STANDING WITH RAND.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

Yeah, that’s it. We solved the cow problem for the most part though.


23 posted on 01/13/2014 5:42:39 AM PST by davetex (Location: The Alamo)
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To: Nik Naym

Austinistan, liberal island in a sea of red! We put all our stupid libs in one place here in Texas. Keeps the rest of the state clean.


24 posted on 01/13/2014 5:43:42 AM PST by Leofl (I'm from Texas, we don't dial 9-11)
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To: harpu
A regular gun show that has been a staple of Austin, Texas, since 2010 Jeez, that's THREE whole years ago. And, in reading the article, the show is happening this year, as well, contrary to what the title implies.

I get what the author is saying in the article, but I could have done without the hyperbole.

25 posted on 01/13/2014 5:47:55 AM PST by wbill
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To: davetex

“Yeah, that’s it. We solved the cow problem for the most part though.”

I used to try and get out there at least twice a month except when it was 120 degrees. Do they still have the monthly silhouette matches?


26 posted on 01/13/2014 5:52:04 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: harpu

• Requiring all gun show sellers to be federal firearms licensees

• Requiring unlicensed sellers to undergo federal background check procedures for private transfers


Bizarrely, they both prohibit private sales, and require background checks for them!


27 posted on 01/13/2014 5:52:37 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("Income Inequality?" Let's start with Washington DC vs. the rest of the nation!)
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To: harpu

“”””Resident David Thomas said Travis County must use its authority to keep citizens safe.

“Background checks do work to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill,” he said. “So the county, through its commissioners acting for all of its citizens, must set standards for a gun show to be allowed to do business on public property. Standards take nothing away from anyone’s rights.”””””

Well those background checks didn’t do much for that nutjob in Colorado a month or so ago. He bought his shotgun legally at a gunstore with a background check. He must have missed the memo on the no murdering part.
We need to throw these facts in their faces when the background check issue comes up. Loudly and often


28 posted on 01/13/2014 5:55:28 AM PST by BigpapaBo (If it don't kill you it'll make you _________!)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

Yeah, there are several kinds of matches going on almost every weekend. IDPA,silhouette,3 gun, etc...


29 posted on 01/13/2014 6:04:25 AM PST by davetex (Location: The Alamo)
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To: Leofl
We put all our stupid libs in one place here in Texas. Keeps the rest of the state clean.

And then there's Houston...

30 posted on 01/13/2014 6:07:51 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68

That’s funny right there.


31 posted on 01/13/2014 6:16:24 AM PST by davetex (Location: The Alamo)
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To: harpu

I do believe that Texas has preemptions against this type of thing. If private sales without background checks are not restricted by state law, they cannot be restricted locally.


32 posted on 01/13/2014 6:21:22 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: harpu

He cited the tragedies at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. and in Aurora, Colo. that have pointed out glaring flaws in gun laws and how easy it is for people to have access deadly weapons, he said.

Col. Travis would probably interject, Remember the Alamo!


33 posted on 01/13/2014 6:36:50 AM PST by wita
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To: harpu

Sounds like Abbott needs to be loading that double barrel lawsuit...


34 posted on 01/13/2014 6:41:17 AM PST by MortMan (Is a delayed shower a "stay of exablution"?)
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To: Nik Naym
Where are the Texan freepers who regularly express their hatred for me because I live in NY State? This IS happening in Texas, right?

THe Berkley/San Francisco of Texas.

A regular gun show that has been a staple of Austin, Texas, since 2010 So, for literally ones of years.

my laugh of the day. Just SAXET has been 4 years but Austin has had a gun show once a month since I lived there back in the 80's.

35 posted on 01/13/2014 6:47:15 AM PST by The Bat Lady (I will be voting against Cornyn in the TX primary.)
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To: 12th_Monkey

Or the Cedar Park Center (in Williamson County as well).


36 posted on 01/13/2014 6:50:36 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: harpu

The best description I have ever heard about Austin is:

The bastion of communism on the Colorado River.


37 posted on 01/13/2014 6:53:06 AM PST by Texas resident
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To: Resolute Conservative

the stench of Austin’s liberalism floats all the way up into central Texas.


38 posted on 01/13/2014 6:54:32 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: harpu

The operator of this gun show is missing a bet. He should change the theme of the gun show to being a political event supporting gun rights, as well as supporting and fund raising for elective opponents of these commissioners.


39 posted on 01/13/2014 6:58:01 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (There Is Still A Very Hot War On Terror, Just Not On The MSM. Rantburg.com)
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To: Nik Naym

LOL, know what you mean. The TX chest beaters are no where to be found. Frankly, TX has its large share of tards just like the rest of the country....sadly. That said, NY still sucks big time. :)


40 posted on 01/13/2014 7:03:35 AM PST by 556x45
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To: Brooklyn Attitude; harpu
Here in the east the anti gunners have been properly schooled in regards to imposing their will on Pennsylvanians.

NRA is now the proud backer of the show.

More information here.

41 posted on 01/13/2014 7:05:35 AM PST by whodathunkit
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To: basil; txhurl

Another article about the Saxet gun show.


42 posted on 01/13/2014 7:14:24 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: Nik Naym
This IS happening in Texas, right?

Austin, which is in Travis county. The one blue cancer dot in central Texas.

43 posted on 01/13/2014 7:15:41 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: harpu

Since 2010? I was going to the Saxet gun show in Austin between 2000 and 2007... There were two different locations. One East of 35 and one off of Lamar if I remember correctly. The one location grew to be too small, so they switched venues.

From what I remember, the big dealers and local gun shops with a presence all ran the NICS check. Private sellers wandering around were relatively few.

Looks like they’ll be switching venues again... Dumb move by Travis Co... They’re gonna lose out on the revenue.


44 posted on 01/13/2014 7:16:25 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: arderkrag
A regular gun show that has been a staple of Austin, Texas, since 2010

So, for literally ones of years.

I was held at other venues for years, including one in downtown Austin. It has been at the Expo center since 2010. Poorly written article to say the least.

45 posted on 01/13/2014 7:25:17 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
They want background checks so they can get registration.

The gun show will be somewhere else.

46 posted on 01/13/2014 7:43:43 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: newbolt

“It’s in Austin. That’s not part of the real Texas.”

As NYC, Ithaca and Albany are not part of the real New York? Los Angeles and San Francisco are not part of the real California?

Sadly, we will watch more and more of Texas and my own new state of Arizona being drawn into the folds of the queers.

There is a HUGE contingent of proactive conservatives behind enemy walls having their rights TRAMPLED! as the left progresses.


47 posted on 01/13/2014 8:01:30 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: Dead Corpse

“Dumb move by Travis Co... They’re gonna lose out on the revenue.”

To the leftist, legal revenue is not at all important compared to the agenda. At least they have some principles they won’t compromise...


48 posted on 01/13/2014 8:10:50 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: Nik Naym

“Where are the Texan freepers who regularly express their hatred for me because I live in NY State?”

Austin is the pimple on Texas’ a$$ just as NYC is for New York state. Actually, Houston and San Antonio are too. Don’t know about DFW.


49 posted on 01/13/2014 12:49:58 PM PST by vette6387
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