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Lou Dobbs Drinks the Insider Kool-Aid: The GOP will destroy itself by abandoning social issues
American Thinker ^ | 01/13/2014 | Jonathon Moseley

Posted on 01/13/2014 7:47:35 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Lou Dobbs, business anchor, offers a lot of truly excellent and a little really atrocious advice to the Republican Party in his new book Upheaval, released on January 7, which he discussed in his January 6 broadcast "Steps to creating a winning election strategy for the Republican Party." 

Dobbs's new book is a must-read; overall, the GOP should elect Lou Dobbs as its next party chairman.  Though you may need to skip a few chapters.

The problem is that Dobbs insists that the Republican Party must abandon social issues.  He argues passionately that the Republican Party must not give up even a single voter to the Democrats.  Yet he then immediately recommends abandoning, alienating, and irritating the largest bloc of voters within the Republican Party: social conservatives, including socially conservative Hispanics and Catholics and Reagan Democrats.

Lou Dobbs has drunk the "Inside the Beltway Kool-Aid."  He wants the GOP to pander to voters with very low probabilities of ever being persuaded to vote Republican, while alienating voters with a very high probability of voting Republican.  This contradiction is a problem which business reporter Dobbs should be able to recognize.

A business-minded approach would follow the "80/20" rule, which teaches that 80 percent of a salesperson's sales come from 20 percent of his prospects.  So a salesperson needs to focus on his or her best chances for success.  (Note that "80/20" is not meant to be a precise measurement -- just a way of illustrating a point.)


(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: conservatism; gop; loudobbs; socialissues

1 posted on 01/13/2014 7:47:35 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I have to repeat, give the voters a choice between all out liberalism and liberalism-lite they either choose the real deal or not vote at all.


2 posted on 01/13/2014 7:49:55 AM PST by AU72
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To: SeekAndFind

Dobbs sounds like a Juan McCain, Mitch McConnell, Lindsay Graham etc fan.


3 posted on 01/13/2014 7:50:02 AM PST by albie (ve`)
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To: SeekAndFind

Dobbs’ advice: Become the UK Conservative Party (AKA - not conservative at all)


4 posted on 01/13/2014 7:50:30 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: SeekAndFind

*shrug* So it destroys itself. In that case it would be a necessary death.

The GOP will condone queer marriage and abortion without my support.


5 posted on 01/13/2014 7:51:59 AM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: SeekAndFind

There are but a handful of “conservatives” in Congress, and even they seem unwilling to show it.


6 posted on 01/13/2014 7:53:59 AM PST by onedoug
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To: SeekAndFind
Well, if the Republican Party abandons social issues - the values issues, it might as well just adopt a new slogan. "It's just about the money, folks!"

Forget it, Lou. A victory without values is an empty one.

7 posted on 01/13/2014 7:55:36 AM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It seems that one problem with Dobb’s recommendations, as is common with individuals who, although well-intentioned, do not have familiarity with the body of science on such topics as persuasion and marketing, is that he is seeking to avoid “turning off” potential voters rather than motivating potential voters to actually vote for your candidates.

Another problem that seems to be present in Dobb’s recommendations is that he is overlooking the success of the opposition party. The Dem party primarily campaigns on social issues while also spending whatever vast sums of money they can to “buy votes”. The Dem party assigns very little priority or gives much concern to economics. They are virtually entirely about social issues. If the R party avoids social issues, that entire playing field will be dominated and owned by the Dem party, leaving only the economic issues, defense, and foreign policy for the R party to market on. The vast majority of voters don’t understand or have much opinion about these three areas—they will accept whatever you say about those three areas and care so little that they won’t vote based on those issues. Voters care about personal matters and they don’t connect macro economic policy with liking their own job or how they are treated on the job. Social issues, however, are understandable and matter to voters. They have an opinion on social matters and you can make connections with voters on those issues.

The R party cannot win elections by satisfying a few large business interests. They can get donations but cannot get votes that way. The Dem party has a built-in system for kickbacks from, for example, unions, that ensures they have sustained campaign funding.


8 posted on 01/13/2014 8:00:57 AM PST by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: SeekAndFind

Do I want to live in a libertine, morally derelict society that just happens to have a free-market economic system?

I think not.


9 posted on 01/13/2014 8:02:14 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Do I want to live in a libertine, morally derelict society that just happens to have a free-market economic system?

Arguably yes. It is inarguable that our society is moving in this direction, and that the speed of movement is increasing.

10 posted on 01/13/2014 8:08:45 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: SeekAndFind

That formula has gotten us where we are.

Pray America is Waking


11 posted on 01/13/2014 8:08:46 AM PST by bray ("The Republic of Texas 2022" is coming in Feb)
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To: SeekAndFind

lou does not believe in GOD or he would know better than to go against HIS word.


12 posted on 01/13/2014 8:18:17 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I keep hearing that the Republican Party needs to dump the social issues, and focus strictly on pocketbook issues.

Where exactly is this big Republican push on social issues?

Abortion is here to stay. In schools, prayer is out, condoms and common core are in. Homosexuality is portrayed as not just normal, but honorable. Christians are ridiculed and marginalized. We’re flooded with illegal immigrants who make constant demands of the country they broke into. Blacks are having fun punching whites randomly on the street while simultaneously playing the role of perpetual victim. The nuclear family is almost on the endangered species list.

Where again is this Republican frontal assault on social issues?


13 posted on 01/13/2014 8:20:07 AM PST by TheGipperWasRight
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To: SeekAndFind

In your heart you know he is right. Bottom line hungry is what the GOP is all about. Dangling out social lures are just election boob vote bait for the ethnics.


14 posted on 01/13/2014 8:29:04 AM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: SeekAndFind

Two interesting items if you read the article. Things NOT said by Dobbs.

1) “Yet the greatest error is that Republicans have already been following the “fiscal issues only” approach.”

Republicans have been avoiding “fiscal issues only”. They have been playing Rove Games.

2) “I was Christine O’Donnell’s campaign manager in her 2008 U.S. Senate”
The only thing worse would be to say he was Todd Akin’s manager.

We know there are bad advisors on the GOP-e side but we have to consider there are bad ones supposedly working for the Tea Party too.


15 posted on 01/13/2014 8:29:46 AM PST by Zathras
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To: SeekAndFind

Dobbs drank the immigration reform kool aid a long time ago.


16 posted on 01/13/2014 8:31:12 AM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: SeekAndFind

Lou, you elminate the socalled social issues and millions of vogters will stay home in 2016.

you know, like in 2008 and 2012...

Just saying....


17 posted on 01/13/2014 8:57:20 AM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: Graybeard58

Had this conversation with a liberal buddy of mine. He isn’t left wing liberal, just socially. His position is, if Conservatives are so enameored with an individual’s rights and liberty, then why do they want to take them away? Isn’t that the Churches job and their own decision as it will with their maker that they have to answer to?

That’s the liberal republican argument.


18 posted on 01/13/2014 9:01:50 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("The GOP fights its own base with far more vigor than it employs in fighting the Dims.")
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To: SeekAndFind

The Republican Party was created, I believe, on the basis of a social issue-—slavery. So all the big thinkers, like Dobbs, think social issues don’t matter. In which case I suppose Dobbs believes polygamy, bestiality, children smoking dope, etc. are social issues that Pubbies shouldn’t be concerned with. A party that won’t stand strong for social issues is a party that doesn’t stand for anything. Dem-lite simply will not work.


19 posted on 01/13/2014 9:03:45 AM PST by driftless2
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To: SeekAndFind

In addition to the practical points made by numerous posters here, Dobbs seems to miss the point that a viable free market system has its philosophical base in a society with a strong ethical base - without that base, activities like bribes, sweetheart contracts, unequal application of laws and regulations, unequal enforcement of contracts and the like proliferate like weeds.

And of course that sort of stuff is already happening with the current regime as we transition from free-market capitalism to crony capitalism (Solyndra anyone?).

Dobbs may think that one can pick and choose what moral principles a political party tries to stabilize, but I’d say good luck with that approach - I don’t expect it has a prayer of working.


20 posted on 01/13/2014 9:07:16 AM PST by Stosh
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To: SeekAndFind

Lou has spent too much time cavorting around with the homosexualist RINOs at Fixed News.


21 posted on 01/13/2014 9:22:45 AM PST by rhinohunter (Freepers aren't booing -- they're shouting "Cruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuz")
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To: SeekAndFind

If America loses its moral underpinnings, it will lose everything. Dobbs is a fool.


22 posted on 01/13/2014 9:27:06 AM PST by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: TheGipperWasRight
Where exactly is this big Republican push on social issues?

It is about whose rings they have to kiss during the campaign. We have a litmus test for Republican candidates and make our guys give pledges to certain conservative single-issue organizations. These statements that were made are then used by Democrat opponents and the media to try and drive a wedge between the conservative base and more moderate swing voters by making republicans look "extreme".

The Democrats don't do this. You'll never see a Democrat candidate go to Planned Parenthood and pledge to uphold partial-birth abortion. You'll never see them go to the Million Moms and pledge to enact more gun control laws. And their constituents are wise enough to not demand this. I've often said that Democrats have the luxury of waiting until they've been elected before they come out in support of unpopular positions.

23 posted on 01/13/2014 10:04:18 AM PST by Drew68
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh , Lou was blathering on and on about the right for gays to marry, the other day, on Imus, or some such.

Its either total conservative or Hillary, especially after (not Christie, we already knew he was it when he smooched BO) Ryan’s turncoat deal

A conservative lite will be like bush He’ll spend four or eight years ushering in every liberal idea just to try to be popular with everyone but the conservatives, whom he’ll hate

While we’d be better off with Hillary, so we could blame our final demise on liberalism where it belongs

Hillary can’t be happy about the Christie deal. She’d have beaten him with a wave of her hand


24 posted on 01/13/2014 10:36:29 AM PST by stanne
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To: SeekAndFind; All
A lot of Democrats are social conservatives if you take it to mean being strongly against abortion and the gay agenda, which I am, and I consider myself socially conservative.

Does being "socially conservative" mean limiting government to the point that it cannot force Americans to fund, advance, and tolerate abortion and homosexual invasion everywhere from Boy Scouts and public schools to the military and adoption agency policies ...

... or does "socially conservative" mean using government to force Americans to fund, advance, and tolerate "conservative" government that prosecutes abortion and homosexual invasion?

Rick Santorum was right, for example, in his socially conservative position that pro-abortion tax-supported Planned Parenthood should be defunded. But was he "socially conservative" in wanting the funds to be used instead to promote adoption? If that's "socially conservative," then it's also PRO GOVERNMENT and I must not be "socially conservative" even though I am totally against abortion and the gay agenda.

One can be socially conservative and PRO GOVERNMENT, and one can be socially conservative and be LIMITED GOVERNMENT.

The divide isn't with the issues; the divide is in how the true "conservative" defines government's role IN those issues.

25 posted on 01/13/2014 10:53:54 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: stanne

RE: Oh , Lou was blathering on and on about the right for gays to marry, the other day, on Imus, or some such.

OK, here’s a question...

How does a conservative ( who does not support gay marriage) talk about gay marriage without sounding like a hateful bigot?

How does a conservative answer a question regarding abortion as it relates to rape and incest? ( something they will SURELY BE ASKED ABOUT, see Aiken, Todd ).

Lou Dobbs is wrong in this — YOU CANNOT AVOID SOCIAL ISSUES. Why? BECAUSE THE LIBERAL PRESS WILL HOUND YOU ON IT AND ASK YOU ABOUT IT ANYWAY.

You might not be interested in social issues, but social issues are interested in you.


26 posted on 01/13/2014 11:21:28 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: ex-snook

I can’t even figure out what you were trying to say.


27 posted on 01/13/2014 12:58:03 PM PST by ansel12
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delaware senate ping .... odonnell


28 posted on 01/13/2014 10:39:51 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (Let the dead bury the dead. Let the GOP bury the GOP.)
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