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CONFIRMED: The DEA Struck A Deal With Mexico's Most Notorious Drug Cartel
http://www.businessinsider.com ^ | Jan. 13, 2014 | Michael Kelley

Posted on 01/13/2014 4:03:40 PM PST by Para-Ord.45

The DEA agents met with members of the cartel in Mexico to obtain information about their rivals and simultaneously built a network of informants who sign drug cooperation agreements, subject to results, to enable them to obtain future benefits, including cancellation of charges in the U.S.," reports El Universal

Operation Fast and Furious was part of an agreement to finance and arm the cartel in exchange for information used to take down its rivals. (If true, that re-raises the issue regarding what Attorney General Eric Holder knew about the gun-running arrangements.)

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An investigation by El Universal has found that between the years 2000 and 2012, the U.S. government had an arrangement with Mexico's Sinaloa drug cartel that allowed the organization to smuggle billions of dollars of drugs in exchange for information on rival cartels.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-government-and-the-sinaloa-cartel-2014-1#ixzz2qKJ4Pj9O

1 posted on 01/13/2014 4:03:40 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: Para-Ord.45

Obama/Soetoro & Holder KNEW and ordered it ?


2 posted on 01/13/2014 4:04:13 PM PST by Para-Ord.45 ( Americans, happy in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own dictators.)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Lots of damning stuff popping up while the media waves the Chris Christie flag.


3 posted on 01/13/2014 4:04:30 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Thank you. This is a question that occurred to me recently, that if it was true that we were working with one of the cartels, giving them immunity in exchange for information on their rivals, and if it was true that we were running guns to “the cartel” as a supposed “investigation” that never achieved even one arrest...

Was the cartel we immunized the same cartel we armed?

And now it appears that the answer is “yes”.

It seems that the way to run drugs and guns with impunity is to call it an “investigation”. That way if investigators from rival law enforcement agencies run across it, you just tell them to back off, its federal. Back off, this is “deep cover” stuff. And that’s “billions” of dollars, with a “b”.


4 posted on 01/13/2014 4:10:23 PM PST by marron
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To: Para-Ord.45

The District of Criminals just doing the job Americans won’t do.


5 posted on 01/13/2014 4:13:00 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Rogue agency...


6 posted on 01/13/2014 4:13:12 PM PST by varmintman
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To: Para-Ord.45

What was the “benefit” for the USA?


7 posted on 01/13/2014 4:17:37 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Para-Ord.45
I wonder what the Mexican government will think about this.

I doubt very much that the Ones’ administration consulted them on this operation.

8 posted on 01/13/2014 4:18:40 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Yaelle

Probably MS-13 info, people, etc?


9 posted on 01/13/2014 4:19:07 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature ($1.84 - The price of a gallon of gas on Jan. 20th, 2009.)
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To: marron

The cartel has always been run by the us government..now they are consolidating for max profit. If folks think the drugs are coming in on the backs of somd poor mexican, think agai n, oil tankers full daily to meet the supply needs..


10 posted on 01/13/2014 4:21:16 PM PST by aces
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To: Para-Ord.45

This brings to mind the story of General Gutierrez Rebollo, who gained fame for leading a bloody war against the Mexican cartels and was briefly appointed as Mexico’s drug czar based on his reputation.

And in fact he did lead a bloody war against the cartels. On behalf of another cartel. He spent the rest of his life in prison, just died a few days ago.


11 posted on 01/13/2014 4:24:35 PM PST by marron
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To: Para-Ord.45

I don’t see why one utterly corrupt organization shouldn’t make a deal with another utterly corrupt organization to further their mutual utter corruption.

To even think of prohibiting such or even expecting that such should not occur seems utterly ridonkulous ;/


12 posted on 01/13/2014 4:25:09 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Yaelle; Para-Ord.45
What was the “benefit” for the USA?

Good point.

If the purpose of the War On Drugs is to reduce the supply of illicit drugs in the US how does giving free reign to one drug cartel to import drugs cut the supply?

13 posted on 01/13/2014 4:27:37 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Wow. The Democrats must have been fueling their campaigns with drug money from Mexico.


14 posted on 01/13/2014 4:29:11 PM PST by CivilWarBrewing
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To: Yaelle

Filling up the prisons with a labor force composed of middlemen dealers that the government essentially supplied the drugs to in order to bust them...


15 posted on 01/13/2014 4:29:19 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Para-Ord.45

This just confirms that we are a narco-terrorist state.

Cat’s out of the ol’ bag.


16 posted on 01/13/2014 4:29:56 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Para-Ord.45

We have had a war on drugs for almost 43 years.

When do we declare victory and go home?

Obviously, a lot of people are profiting handsomely in this so-called “war”, including a lot of people in DC.


17 posted on 01/13/2014 4:31:12 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Yaelle
What was the “benefit” for the USA?

Better question: What was the "benefit" for the Democrats? Clue: The drug cartels also control the "coyotes" that ferry illegals across the border.

18 posted on 01/13/2014 4:32:46 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: cripplecreek

>> Lots of damning stuff popping up while the media waves the Chris Christie flag.

The MSM is the Country’s greatest threat.


19 posted on 01/13/2014 4:33:44 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Of course, my question is, then why is this guy on trial? What happened to his immunity?


20 posted on 01/13/2014 4:39:32 PM PST by marron
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To: Para-Ord.45

No bleep. Get rid of their profits and legalize the damn things for adults who want to be idiots.


21 posted on 01/13/2014 4:44:14 PM PST by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: marron
It seems that the way to run drugs and guns with impunity is to call it an “investigation”. That way if investigators from rival law enforcement agencies run across it, you just tell them to back off, its federal. Back off, this is “deep cover” stuff. And that’s “billions” of dollars, with a “b”.

And do you suppose that any of those billions, with a "b", might have found their way into the pockets of American politicians and federal law enforcement officers?

Just asking...???

22 posted on 01/13/2014 4:44:56 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Mexican Official Accuses CIA Of ‘Managing’ Not ‘Fighting’ The Drug Trade

Michael Kelly

July 24, 2012

http://www.businessinsider.com/mexican-official-cia-manages-the-drug-trade-instead-of-fighting-traffickers-2012-7#ixzz23A8U2B00

A Mexican state government spokesman told Al Jazeera that the CIA and other international security forces “don’t fight drug traffickers” as much as “try to manage the drug trade,” Chris Arsenault reports.

“It’s like pest control companies, they only control,” Chihuahua spokesman Guillermo Terrazas Villanueva told Al Jazeera. “If you finish off the pests, you are out of a job. If they finish the drug business, they finish their jobs.”

Chihuahua, one of Mexico’s most violent states, borders on Texas.

Arsenault quickly notes that Villanueva is not a high ranking official and that the mayor of Juarez, Chihuahua, dismissed the accusations as “baloney.”

Nevertheless, a government official going on the record with such claims is rare.

And a mid-level official with the Secretariat Gobernacion in Juarez (i.e. Mexico’s equivalent to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security) told Al Jazeera the allegations were true based on discussions he’s had with U.S. officials working in Juarez.

Arsenault highlights that the defense attorneys for Jesús Zambada Niebla – a leading trafficker from the Sinaloa cartel currently awaiting trial in Chicago – stated, as part of his defense, that “United States government agents aided the leaders of the Sinaloa Cartel.”

Other high-level members of the Sinaloa cartel – Mexico’s oldest trafficking organization – have made similar claims that Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman, the Sinaloa cartel leader and one of the world’s most wanted men, works closely with U.S. authorities.

Upwards of 55,000 people have died from drug-related violence in Mexico since 2006.


23 posted on 01/13/2014 4:48:10 PM PST by Dqban22 (IVINIC)
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To: Para-Ord.45
Zambada-Niebla's lawyer told the court that in the late 1990s, Castro struck a deal with U.S. agents in which Sinaloa would provide information about rival drug trafficking organizations while the U.S. would dismiss its case against the Sinaloa lawyer and refrain from interfering with Sinaloa drug trafficking activities or actively prosecuting Sinaloa leadership.

So, the Clinton administration evidently pocketed the first check. And Billy Jeff got the first shipment of quality coke...

24 posted on 01/13/2014 4:48:56 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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So, the Clinton administration evidently pocketed the first check. And Billy Jeff got the first shipment of quality coke...

Wow. This closes the loop on all kinds of old stories from the nineties. All of them with Billy Jeff's fingerprints on them.

25 posted on 01/13/2014 5:02:59 PM PST by marron
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To: Para-Ord.45
Let's call Fast and Furious what it is. State-sponsored terrorism.

On this side of the border it's violations of the RICO Act. In Mexico and Honduras it's state-sponsored terrorism.

What else would you call heavily arming international criminal syndicates within a foreign country wherein that country is in a death struggle with those syndicates?

Especially when it goes beyond thousands of assault rifles to include grenades, RPGs, shoulder fired rockets, anti-aircraft guns, night vision equipment, body armor and special deals to bring their drugs onto our soil with legal impunity?

Not to mention that the rip crew that killed BP Agent Brian Terry was there with DEA and FBI assistance and approval to attack and kill a rival cartel's smuggling crew.

Let's not leave out the DEA laundering millions of dollars for the drug cartels by setting up bank accounts for them that they otherwise couldn't do.

It's organized, it is spread through every Federal LEA and it violates numerous domestic laws and numerous statutes and treaties that deal with foreign nations. Yet none of it has been officially sanctioned. It's the FedGov acting like mafiosa.

DHS Complicit In Drug Cartel Human Trafficking

0bama, Holder and Hillary Clinton are all deeply involved in this and it is state-sponsored terrorism. These criminal thugs are dragging our country down to the level of Tehran and Pyongyang.

26 posted on 01/13/2014 5:07:42 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Para-Ord.45
I have been saying this from the beginning and people here dont want to believe it.
There is a reason Fast and Furious investigation went nowhere
Btw, all you really needed to do is see the plane used by the CIA in renditions after it crashed with Sinaloa cocaine to know what has been going on....

27 posted on 01/13/2014 5:07:49 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: marron

If the DEA is not making arrests...
....you can bet Politico’s are paid off


28 posted on 01/13/2014 5:10:22 PM PST by Steven Tyler
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To: Para-Ord.45

This secret agreement killed that US Customs officer of ours down in Mexico:

How it works in Mexico is if cartels learn you have some business relationship with, lessay, the Sinaloa Cartel, then “this guy belongs to the Sinaloa...”

They’ll think that even if there’s no elaborate induction ceremony that they witness.

When non-Sinaloa cartels heard of GayMuzzie’s “no busts for intel on the other cartels”-arrangement, that meant US LEO’s seen down in Mexico were considered as, “WITH the Sinaloa Cartel”. As such, these non-Sinaloa cartelistas saw US officers as legitimate targets.

Let’s just say the Mexican mind (and especially the cartelista mind) is muuuch further down the conceptual road for understanding that the cop/criminal separation distance can be slight, ok...?

That is their daily bread and butter.

THAT is why they gunned down that guy from US Customs —he probably did not know about Barry’s secret BS and was probably still thinking his badge protected him.

Sorry, but, uh...Barry and the NightStalker basically killed him.


29 posted on 01/13/2014 5:12:47 PM PST by gaijin
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Jaime Zapata:

Cartelistas considered him as, "with the Sinaloa"...?

30 posted on 01/13/2014 5:16:42 PM PST by gaijin
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To: TigersEye
Impeaching Eric Holder is percolating. I suppose it should happens in 2015 when the Rs take the Senate this year.

Rep. Olson Introduces Articles of Impeachment Against Eric Holder

"The Articles of Impeachment has four different sections. The first calls for Holder’s official removal because of his failure to comply with congressional subpoenas relating to Operation Fast and Furious. Holder has been voted on a bipartisan basis into both criminal and civil contempt of Congress for his failure to comply with the Fast and Furious subpoenas from House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA)."

31 posted on 01/13/2014 5:21:08 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Para-Ord.45
The War on Drugs is just great!

Sinaloa, led by Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, supplies 80% of the drugs entering the Chicago area and has a presence in cities across the U.S.

There have long been allegations that Guzman, considered to be "the world’s most powerful drug trafficker," coordinates with American authorities.

But the El Universal investigation is the first to publish court documents that include corroborating testimony from a DEA agent and a Justice Department official.

For politicians, drug warriors and drug dealers.

32 posted on 01/13/2014 5:23:06 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Red Steel

That would be great. Long overdue! 0bama should be impeached for illegally extending Executive Privilege to Holder.


33 posted on 01/13/2014 5:24:42 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: varmintman
Rogue agency...

Nope. A feature, not a bug.

34 posted on 01/13/2014 5:31:22 PM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: marron

Iran-Contra/ Mena, Arkansas all over again.

When they stopped the flights into Mena the dope operation went to the ground.

It was run by corrupt law enforcement, and it was covered up because it led back to Iran-Contra.

In 1985 I had a run in with a Corpus Christ cop and he bragged about being part of it.

I had at least 3 attempts against my life because of that.

As a matter of fact the Clintons killing 80 people at Waco and Reno’s firing of the US Attorneys was part of the cover up.

Vince Foster started spilling his guts about Reno’s firing of the US Attorneys and he ended up dead.


35 posted on 01/13/2014 5:31:24 PM PST by IMR 4350
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To: CivilWarBrewing
Wow. The Democrats must have been fueling their campaigns with drug money from Mexico.

This is bipartisan. Note this from the article =>

An investigation by El Universal has found that between the years 2000 and 2012, the U.S. government had an arrangement with Mexico's Sinaloa drug cartel...

36 posted on 01/13/2014 5:46:29 PM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: RummyChick

The Clinton’s dope running operation almost got me killed back in the late 1980’s.

I’ve said it before, it never stopped.

People just refuse to believe it.

Clinton’s invasion of Haiti stopped the Haitian boat lift which allowed Castro to run dope up from Cuba.

The increased security around Gitmo has made it harder for the dope to come up through Cuba which is why they want to shut down Gitmo.


37 posted on 01/13/2014 5:48:36 PM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Para-Ord.45

The senior cartels need napalming more than they need immunity.


38 posted on 01/13/2014 6:06:32 PM PST by G Larry
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To: Para-Ord.45
Obama/Soetoro & Holder KNEW and ordered it ?

This has been going on long before Obama showed up on the scene. At least since the mid 80's when the Bush/Clinton Crime Syndicate were running tons of illegal drugs into Mena.

39 posted on 01/13/2014 6:22:24 PM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: LucyT

Confirms what we know about Fast and Furious


40 posted on 01/13/2014 6:22:46 PM PST by Fractal Trader
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To: Yaelle

“What was the “benefit” for the USA??

I think DEA, FBI, DHS and all Administration officials qualified for a “professional discount” when purchasing or extorting drugs under the agreement.


41 posted on 01/13/2014 6:36:19 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (It's difficult to differentiate between a hog calling contest and a Senate rollcall.)
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To: SpaceBar

Satan laughing spreads his wings


42 posted on 01/13/2014 7:09:33 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of ingtheir political choices.")
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To: Para-Ord.45

2000-2012 means it was Clinton, Bush, and Obama. I imagine other presidents could have done the same.


43 posted on 01/13/2014 8:48:59 PM PST by grundle
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To: RummyChick

Now we know why Bush did not close the borders after 9-11.

I mourn for my country.


44 posted on 01/13/2014 10:33:36 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of ingtheir political choices.")
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To: Para-Ord.45

Shades of a modern day AeroAmerico..

deal with swine , reap the rewards..

sometimes gubamint gets lost in itself

and its mission.

nothing new it seems, we have dealt with and sheltered criminals before when they served a purpose.. albeit to be part of a criminal conspiracy and commercial endeavor.

Strange times.


45 posted on 01/14/2014 10:12:16 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: IMR 4350

Good ol’ Mena.

The Clinton Bodycount is off the chart. What’s a few more notches after Benghazi?.. and if she gets the WH, oh man..


46 posted on 01/14/2014 10:14:44 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Wow, this is deep, 3rd world level corruption. I hate drugs, but I hate what the Drug War has done to our justice system. The corruption is corrosive and it’s got to stop.


47 posted on 01/14/2014 9:39:32 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: marron

He’s joined by hundreds of narcotics officers honored for their aggressive tactics and major busts... while at the same time being paid by the drug dealers competition and given all those tips.


48 posted on 01/14/2014 9:42:46 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: okie01

You wouldn’t even need to use cash. Just have the politician buy a penny stock, bid up the price with illicit money, and let him sell at a profit. Commodities, jobs, contracts, speaking fees, book sales all of which are perfectly legal can be used to pay off a politician.

The Left argues that we need big government to help the little guy, yet all of history from the dawn of time shows that government is a tool of the wealthy and politically connected to control the little guy. Why can’t they learn?


49 posted on 01/14/2014 9:46:21 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
Commodities, jobs, contracts, speaking fees, book sales all of which are perfectly legal can be used to pay off a politician.

Yes. Trusts and foundations that receive donations that, I believe, are the pol's own money coming into daylight. Partnerships that pay x million a year for no duties... which I again suspect is the pol's own money laundering its way back into daylight. And as you say, consulting fees for no obvious work, gazillion dollar book advances for books no one reads... (and I suspect aren't even printed in the numbers claimed...)

The hardest thing about retiring from a life of public service is bringing your money into daylight in a way thats believable.

When I see a politician suddenly with several hundred million in the bank (that we know of) I always remember that no one bribes an ex-president or an ex-senator.

50 posted on 01/14/2014 10:14:11 PM PST by marron
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