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This high-speed rail thing is kinda’ becoming a disaster for Jerry Brown
hotair ^ | JANUARY 7, 2014 | BY ERIKA JOHNSEN

Posted on 01/13/2014 8:46:11 PM PST by dennisw

California’s ludicrously ambitious plan to build a high-speed railway connecting Los Angeles and San Francisco has been besieged with all kinds of problems from almost the moment of its official conception, but let that not restrain California Democrats from doubling down on what they seem to view as their iliadic quest to make high-speed rail happen.

Back in August, a judge declared that the project had already violated the 2008 ballot initiative that first authorized the $10 billion in bonds for the 500-mile train, because the state didn't actually having funding sources on the books for the $31 billion required to build even just the 290-mile “initial segment” — not to mention that the oh-so-green state had flouted the necessary environmental clearances. Governor Jerry Brown deemed the judge’s ruling a mere “setback,” ho hum, but the project has since encountered still more judicial “setbacks”

Gov. Jerry Brown of California is riding into an election year on a wave of popularity and an upturn in the state’s fortunes. But a project that has become a personal crusade for him over the past two years — a 520-mile high-speed train line from Los Angeles to San Francisco — is in trouble, reeling from a court ruling that undermined its financing, and from slipping public support and opponents’ rising calls to shut it down. …

“It’s time for the governor to pull up the tracks,” said Representative Kevin McCarthy, Republican of California, who is the majority whip in the House. “Everything he has said has not come to fruition. It’s time to scratch the project.” …

The ruling in November by a Superior Court judge in Sacramento blocked the state from using $8.6 billion in bond money to finance the first part of the train line,

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: boondoggle; highspeedrail; jerrybrown; rail

1 posted on 01/13/2014 8:46:11 PM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw

Nothing but a monstrous land-grab by eminent domain under the guise of a boondoggle public works project funded by the hapless slaves ... err...taxpayers.


2 posted on 01/13/2014 8:51:34 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: dennisw
Linda Ronstadt claimed:

You're no good...

3 posted on 01/13/2014 8:53:38 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

A very good looking couple.....35 years ago (Jerry and Linda)


4 posted on 01/13/2014 8:56:40 PM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: dennisw

I thought they were each other’s beards ?


5 posted on 01/13/2014 8:57:32 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: dennisw

The Obama Administration tried to strongarm Florida’s governor Rick Scott into building a high-speed rail project in this state a few years ago, to be funded by a state tax (which Florida doesn’t have). Fortunately, Scott told him to take a hike. Why would anybody want to take a train from Tampa to Orlando when you can drive there, on your own time and your own schedule? You’d have to drive to the train station, park your car somewhere, and then rent another car when you get to your destination. And building the rail system would provide a few jobs for a little while, and then we’d be stuck paying for it forever while very few people use it. I am so glad I don’t live in California.


6 posted on 01/13/2014 9:12:27 PM PST by jespasinthru (Proud member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy)
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To: dennisw

Linda claims in her new book that they had career difference issues.


7 posted on 01/13/2014 9:14:56 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: jespasinthru
You’d have to drive to the train station, park your car somewhere, and then rent another car when you get to your destination.

Once we get self driving cars, which are very close to being on the roads, the whole public transportation model falls apart. The biggest benefit of public transport is that you don't have to drive yourself, which is sometimes good, but often does not overcome the negatives of having several modes of transport to get to a destimation. But when we have self driving cars, we can go point to point, and still not have to drive ourselves. Plus, all the negatives of public transport are avoided.

8 posted on 01/13/2014 9:17:04 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

If the incompetent (and sometimes malicious) government bureaucracy didn’t always get in our way, we’d have flying cars by now.


9 posted on 01/13/2014 9:24:23 PM PST by jespasinthru (Proud member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy)
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To: dennisw

Choo choo to nowhere...


10 posted on 01/13/2014 9:27:14 PM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms in Dixie!)
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To: dennisw

The word, “iliadic” is not in my dictionary.


11 posted on 01/13/2014 9:31:10 PM PST by Carry_Okie (0-Care IS Medicaid; they'll pull a sheet over your head and take your home to pay for it.)
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To: dennisw

Compare this disaster with the John Galt Line.


12 posted on 01/13/2014 9:32:55 PM PST by upchuck (My Internet addiction is so bad... it's alt of ctrl.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

ZipCars eventually win.


13 posted on 01/13/2014 9:35:15 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: upchuck

“Compare this disaster with the John Galt Line.”

Both fiction?


14 posted on 01/13/2014 9:47:45 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: dennisw
Posted some days ago, but definitely worth re-posting (so I can re-cycle my longish comment)...

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Ah, yes. The "High Speed Rail."

Latest cost estimate I've seen is nearly $100 billion. (By comparison, the entire annual Cali budget is just over $200 billion).

The first segment? Joining the metropolises of Madera (nowhere) and Bakersfield (nowheresville). Driving time between the two towns is less than 2 hours. Even if a train took less than 45 minutes (unlikely), the total trip would be about 2 hours, counting all the parking, ticketing, terminal stuff, etc.

Who wants to ride the Bullet Train? Nobody. I've lived here in the Golden State for decades, I know zillions of liberals, and nobody has ever said to me that they would willingly ride that thing. Nobody!

The train promises to go from S.F. to L.A. in less than 3 hours, is this possible? Nupe. Even if it didn't stop at the 6 or so stops, one seriously suspects that it's not going average anywhere near 200 mph (and that's on a good day. Trains are always late, always).

The Dems think that at least there will be a jobs benefit, which we conservatives know to be nonsense. The opportunity cost of the loss of 100B will cost more jobs (and cause more business emigration) than any temp union jobs to build the thing (which will never be completed, anyway.)

I could go on...

15 posted on 01/13/2014 9:56:30 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: dennisw

Jerry Brown is Willie Green’s deity.


16 posted on 01/13/2014 10:00:05 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: dennisw

The California “High-Speed Rail” is “our answer”” to Boston’s “big Dig.” We need to put an initiative on the ballot this year to see if our citizens still think this is a good idea. I am betting it would not pass.


17 posted on 01/13/2014 10:01:55 PM PST by vette6387
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“I thought they were each other’s beards ?”

Well you ought to Google Jerry’s wife and have a look. I am betting that the music that was played at their wedding was “Who’s Got the Ding Dong!”


18 posted on 01/13/2014 10:03:48 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Not that far from Pittsburgh to Kalifornia. Willie Green is now working as Jerry Brown’s hi-speed big-money rail adviser.


19 posted on 01/13/2014 10:04:14 PM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: vette6387

Actually, more to the point, Jerry always struck me as oddly asexual (as so many creepy beta males obsessed with leftist politics seem to be these days... perhaps just undeclared poofs).


20 posted on 01/13/2014 10:27:08 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“Actually, more to the point, Jerry always struck me as oddly asexual (as so many creepy beta males obsessed with leftist politics seem to be these days... perhaps just undeclared poofs).”

When we were first married, my wife worked in SF with a woman who lived next door to the Brown’s (Jerry’s parents). She always maintained that both the Brown children were weird and so was Jerry’s mother. As you may recall, Jerry’s sister Kathleen ran for governor too, but lost to either Deukmejian or Wilson.


21 posted on 01/13/2014 10:41:54 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Paladin2

*Linda claims in her new book that they had career difference issues.”

Linda wants to be the engineer. Jerry carries the lantern and shoots out of that little house.


22 posted on 01/13/2014 10:42:55 PM PST by haroldeveryman
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To: dennisw
“I don’t see them getting any more money from the federal government,” Mr. McCarthy said. “I don’t see $9 billion to build it from California taxpayers, and I don’t see them getting any private investment.”

No private investor in his right mind would invest in high speed rail; the economics of consumer rail transportation are simply unworkable.

The economics that made consumer rail transportation profitable in the first half of the last century simply do not exist today.

Then there were no interstate highways, then air transportation did not exist or was prohibitively expensive very uncomfortable, traveling long distances by car took longer than by train and because the highways travelled through towns and cities rather than around them making the driving was physically taxing.

Today airlines and automobiles have for all practical purposes have replaced rail for the consumer travel market. If time is at a premium you fly, if it is not you drive. Rail is a fringe market only made economically possible by government subsidies. Those individuals who decide to travel by train are either hobbyist (travel by rail because they want to do so) or those who do not like to fly.

High speed rail can not succeed because there is no advantage to travel by rail over the other two means of transportation to the consumer in economics or convenience.

23 posted on 01/13/2014 11:11:27 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: vette6387

Yeah, Kathleen ran for Governor against Wilson in 1994. She did manage to win State Treasurer in ‘90, but was obliterated in that last good GOP year in California. After 1982 and Jerry’s disastrous run for Senator, it was unimaginable he’d ever win statewide again.

Shows just how lost the state is these days with three senile moonbats at the helm of the top three offices. Reagan was all of 55 when he defeated Pat Brown in 1966 (who was considered old at 61, after 16 straight years as Attorney General and Governor). Jerry’s about to turn 76 this year, Boxer 74 and Feinstein 81, and none of them show any intention of retiring.


24 posted on 01/13/2014 11:14:46 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Pontiac
All true. And travelling by Amtrak over long distances is expensive.

Want to go cross country? You are definitely going to need a sleeper car.

Costs a LOT.

I can't imagine what the fares would be on this California train.

And BTW, Amtrak ALREADY goes from LA to SF.

And it actually passes through areas that you "might" want to get out and see.

Who would want to get off the train anywhere in the CA desert?

25 posted on 01/13/2014 11:33:16 PM PST by boop (Liberal religion. No rules, just right!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“Shows just how lost the state is these days with three senile moonbats at the helm of the top three offices. Reagan was all of 55 when he defeated Pat Brown in 1966 (who was considered old at 61, after 16 straight years as Attorney General and Governor). Jerry’s about to turn 76 this year, Boxer 74 and Feinstein 81, and none of them show any intention of retiring.”

You know what I pray for every night? That these people all get “called home!” And I say a special prayer for Hitlary. and Dingy Harry.

BTW I remember just how worried I was listening to Wilson “debate” Kathleen on the radio in the car, and then finding out when I reached my destination that the TV audience thought Brown lost big time.


26 posted on 01/14/2014 12:34:46 AM PST by vette6387
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To: Seaplaner
You are so right to mention opportunity cost.

If you look at this from another perspective: Imagine that California had decided to provide free bus service instead. With just the initial $10 billion in bonds they could have:

Bought 100 buses at around 600k each, they should run for about 1 million miles, and I'll throw in 200k for maintenance.

Paid $50/hr for someone to drive the buses.

Paid for the fuel to run the buses: I figure the buses could average 50 mph at 10 mpg while paying $4/gallon for diesel.

If you do the math: It works out to about $84 million/yr to run 100 buses 24 hours/day for 350 days/year. I'll go ahead and more than double that estimate to $200 million/year to account for graft, corruption, liability insurance, double time and a half on holidays, and over optimism in my projections.

So, they gave up free 24 hr/day bus service from the Mexican border to the Oregon border for 50 years for this.

27 posted on 01/14/2014 12:51:42 AM PST by j. earl carter
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To: vette6387

The only downside is that if Jerry gets called home, CA is stuck with the creep from San Francisco, Gavin Newsom. If either Boxer or Feinstein kick off, Jerry gets to name their replacement. We all know how Jerry loves to name psychos like Rose Bird to high office.

If the state has a lick of sense, it will elect Tim Donnelly over Brown this year. Of course, the RINO wing will try to make sure an execrable Ahnoldbot twat like Abel Maldonado gets to be Jerry’s ringer. Sadly, it’s been 20 years since California demonstrated much sense.


28 posted on 01/14/2014 1:09:47 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Carry_Okie

- Webster's Seventh Collegiate ( same in the 11th )

29 posted on 01/14/2014 1:25:51 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: boop
And BTW, Amtrak ALREADY goes from LA to SF.

Yes on rented/shared commercial freight lines where the freight has priority.

On rails built and maintained for freight you will never achieve high speed (>120 mph).

But then who wants to go from LA to SF on rails anyway. Those who can afford drive or fly there will probably do so. Those who can’t certainly can not will probably take the bus which is cheaper and has more locations which to depart from and arrive to choose from

That is a problem with rail as well. The people that rail is supposed to really help, the lower income strata is better served by busses than rail.

30 posted on 01/14/2014 2:33:37 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: jespasinthru

Governor Scott has been a mixed blessing. My former boss was on his board to increase employment in the state. (Don’t recall the name of the board.) My boss said that although they didn’t normally meet directly with governor that if they could bring just 50 jobs to the state he’d get on the phone right away himself (the governor) and cut a deal. He stopped the train, which was pure socialist payola to Democratic supporters. But he also signed us up for a huge Medicaid increase and he authorized the prosecution of George Zimmerman. (Although he personally selected a prosecutor I felt was doomed to failure from the beginning.)


31 posted on 01/14/2014 2:57:53 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: jespasinthru

Florida’s rail project didn’t even go to Disney.
A million folks a year fly in to Tampa International from mostly Latin America.
Most are not the best of drivers which everyone knows who has driven I-4 in the last 20 years
And of those million folks 11 are there for other than Disney
So high speed rail here is brainless


32 posted on 01/14/2014 3:41:19 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: dennisw

I miss the entertainment value of the Willie Green Happy Choo-Choo threads

To be honest I think High speed passenger rail is a great idea. It would be a lot of fun to ride. Unfortunately it will never make a dime in this country and is totally financially unfeasible. Bummer. I’ll just have to visit disney to ride the monorail.


33 posted on 01/14/2014 4:29:53 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Pontiac
High speed rail can not succeed because there is no advantage to travel by rail over the other two means of transportation to the consumer in economics or convenience.

High speed rail is all about the cash machine. $$$ from the treasury goes to contractors (Dem donators) who use union workers, who pay union dues to the union bosses, who in turn donate to Dem politicians. Dem politicians are re-elected who re-form the contracts so everybody gets more money over longer periods of time. Building a train system is secondary. It's about the looting.

34 posted on 01/14/2014 4:53:25 AM PST by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: Gen.Blather
Governor Scott has been a mixed blessing.

Bump that. I viewed Scott as most qualified to attract business to Florida; that was his strength going in as governor.

35 posted on 01/14/2014 4:57:24 AM PST by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: VRW Conspirator

I just listened to “Public Opinion” by Walter Lippmann, which you can download for free from http://www.bing.com/search?FORM=U220DF&PC=U220&q=leibrivox.org&src=IE-SearchBox

It explained why political people do the things they do. Each of us sees an entirely different world (reality.) It might explain why Scott has done some good things and some incredibly unexpected things, like prosecuting George Zimmerman. Everybody is a mix of things we’d agree on and things we wouldn’t. The audio book is well worth your time. Written around 1921 or so it is every bit as relevant today as if it were written yesterday.


36 posted on 01/14/2014 5:03:20 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

It’s free on Kindle, too. Just downloaded it.

http://www.amazon.com/Public-Opinion-Walter-Lippmann-ebook/dp/B0084AFUW6


37 posted on 01/14/2014 7:41:18 AM PST by Eepsy
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To: Vince Ferrer

“often does not overcome the negatives of having several modes of transport to get to a destimation.”

You are also not at the mercy of the political whims of the unions and the Dem Party.

Public Transportation, when FORCED, becomes yet another control measure.


38 posted on 01/14/2014 8:35:52 AM PST by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“Of course, the RINO wing will try to make sure an execrable Ahnoldbot twat like Abel Maldonado gets to be Jerry’s ringer. Sadly, it’s been 20 years since California demonstrated much sense.”

Thanks for ruining my morning coffee by mentioning that prick Abel Maldonado. The only one that would have been worse would be RAT Sen. Kevin DeLeon (the anti-gun a$$hole)


39 posted on 01/14/2014 10:45:17 AM PST by vette6387
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To: John O

Good ole Willie Green...

40 posted on 01/14/2014 3:18:47 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: jespasinthru; GeronL
The Obama Administration tried to strongarm Florida’s governor Rick Scott into building a high-speed rail project in this state a few years ago, to be funded by a state tax (which Florida doesn’t have)

They TRIED to ram a national high speed rail through that was center hubbed in Chicago (SUPRISE! SURPRISE! SURPRISE!). BILLIONS of dollars for friends of Obama.

Who knows how much money has already been spent on this or who got it.

41 posted on 01/14/2014 5:28:49 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Thank you!

Brings back pleasant memories of talking trains with someone who was an apparently brain dead liberal :)


42 posted on 01/15/2014 6:20:46 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: boop
All true. And travelling by Amtrak over long distances is expensive.

Want to go cross country? You are definitely going to need a sleeper car.

Costs a LOT.

You ain't kidding. I just checked out of curiosity. A sleeper car fare ONE WAY from LA to Seattle is $574. (In fairness, it would be the same price for two travelers sharing a 2-berth room. Also in fairness, meals are said to be included ... but what does that mean? The website doesn't explain "meals included.") Even that does NOT include one's own toilet or shower, which are "down the hall" and shared as in a boarding room. Remember "Midnight Run," "From Russia With Love" and "Silver Streak"? If memory serves, train rooms in those films were shown to include private bathrooms (tiny ones, sure), even on non-luxury trains. OK, Silver Streak was probably considered a first- or business-class train.

43 posted on 01/15/2014 9:40:55 AM PST by pogo101
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To: John O

I have a fond memory of a discussion with ole Willie when he mentioned he took the train to Isle Royale National Park. As you may know, it’s an island in the middle of Lake Superior. I told him I never knew they built a train across Lake Superior...


44 posted on 01/15/2014 3:41:25 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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