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10 Best ‘Lone Survivor’ Takedowns of Liberal Media
Newsbusters ^ | 1-13-2014 | Matthew Philbin

Posted on 01/13/2014 11:15:00 PM PST by smoothsailing

10 Best ‘Lone Survivor’ Takedowns of Liberal Media

By Matthew Philbin | January 13, 2014 | 17:01

CNN’s Jake Tapper would have done well to read “Lone Survivor,” rather than just seeing the new movie, before interviewing former Navy SEAL Marcus Luttrell last week. If he had, Tapper might have been more careful than to describe the deaths of Luttrell’s SEAL comrades in Afghanistan as “senseless.” And he would have been wary of Luttrell’s contempt for the liberal media.

The film “Lone Survivor, which ” took in $38.5 million at the box office its opening weekend is based on a 2010 book by Luttrell that tells the tragic story of a 2005 operation in which the three other members of Luttrell’s SEAL team, along with 17 other special ops warriors, were killed. The story turned on the team’s agonized decision to turn lose some Afghan goat herders who had stumbled onto its concealed position. As the SEALs had feared, the freed civilians went straight to the Taliban, precipitating the battle.

While the movie recounts the fateful decision, it doesn’t explicitly tell the audience that a big part of deciding not to kill the goat herders was the certain knowledge that, “The media in the United States of America would crucify us,” in Luttrell’s words.

To kill or not kill the goat herders was a horrible choice to have to make – a moral, ethical and military dilemma that weighed the lives of the civilians against the lives of the team. Luttrell was rightly furious at having to to decide knowing that the SEALs would never get a fair shake from a hostile news media.

Throughout the book, Luttrell registered distrust of liberals in the media and in Washington – and did so with a very direct eloquence. Here are 10 of the best examples from the book. (Page numbers correspond to the Kindle Edition.)

1. “This entire business of modern war crimes, as identified by the liberal wings of politics and the media, began in Iraq and has been running downhill ever since. Everyone’s got to have his little hands in it, blathering on about the public’s right to know.” (p. 38)

2. “It’s been an insidious progression, the criticisms of the U.S. Armed Forces from politicians and from the liberal media, which knows nothing of combat, nothing of our training, and nothing of the mortal dangers we face out there on the front line.”(p. 36)

3. “That situation might look simple in Washington, where the human rights of terrorists are often given high priority. And I am certain liberal politicians would defend their position to the death. Because everyone knows liberals have never been wrong about anything. You can ask them. Anytime.” (p. 37)

4. On the left’s view of U.S. troops: “… we were somehow in the wrong, brutal killers, bullying other countries; that we who put our lives on the line for our nation at the behest of our government should somehow be charged with murder for shooting our enemy.” (p. 36)

5. “I promise you every insurgent, freedom fighter and stray gunman in Iraq who we arrested knew the ropes, knew that the way out was to announce he had been tortured by the Americans, ill-treated, or prevented from reading the Koran or eating his breakfast or watching television. They all knew al-Jazeera, the Arab broadcasters, would pick it up, and it would be relayed to the U.S.A., where the liberal media would joyfully accuse all of us of being murderers or barbarians or something. Those terrorist organizations laugh at the U.S. media, and they know exactly how to use the system against us.” (p. 39)

6. “Was there ever a greater uproar than the one that broke out over Abu Ghraib? In the bigger scheme of things, in the context of all the death and destruction that Muslim extremists have visited upon this world, a bunch of Iraqi prisoners being humiliated does not ring my personal alarm bell. And it would not ring yours either if you ever saw firsthand what these guys are capable of. I mean, Jesus, they cut off people’s heads, American heads, aid workers’ heads. They think nothing of slaughtering thousands of people; they’ve stabbed and mutilated young American soldiers, like something out of the Middle Ages.” (p. 68)

7. Of the realization that the goat herders had betrayed the SEALs’ position: “It was the stupidest, most southern-fried, lamebrained decision I ever made in my life. I must have been out of my mind. I had actually cast a vote which I knew could sign our death warrant. I’d turned into a fucking liberal, a half-assed, no-logic nitwit, all heart, no brain, and the judgment of a jackrabbit.” (p. 206)

8. “I guess we’d better start getting used to the consequences and permit the American liberal to squeak and squeal us to ultimate defeat. I believe that’s what it’s called when you pack up and go home, when a war fought under your own ‘civilized’ terms is unwinnable.” (p. 313)

9. “And I am left feeling that no matter how much the drip-drip-drip of hostility towards us is perpetuated by the liberal press, the American people simply do not believe it. They are rightly proud of the armed forces of the United States of America. They innately understand what we do.” (p. 375)

10. “Some members of the media might think they can brainwash the public anytime they like, but I know they can’t. Not here. Not in the United States of America.” (p. 376)

Here’s hoping Luttrell is right.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
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1 posted on 01/13/2014 11:15:00 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Hopefully I feel better tomorrow and can go see this awesome movie...


2 posted on 01/13/2014 11:18:32 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: smoothsailing

Luttrell an Murphy were not murderers. They could take the media backlash but not if they werent in the right.

Heck, luttrell is taking media backlash now, and standing up to it.

They were just thinking out loud. The media is no friend to trees guys and the media has been responsible for deaths, but not here. These guys were not going to murder kids to save themselves

That’s all


3 posted on 01/13/2014 11:20:44 PM PST by stanne
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To: Vendome

I haven’t seen it yet, either.

Get well soon! :-)


4 posted on 01/13/2014 11:28:22 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing
Results for #TheAssciatedPress
5 posted on 01/13/2014 11:31:00 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Mia San Mia)
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To: stanne

“These guys were not going to murder kids to save themselves”

Even when I was still in canuckistan during the Iraq War, the lib media and foreign media were in cahoots cheering for deaths of American soldiers. The AP especially. Those traitorous bastards were the sole reason for driving anti Americanism just to spite Dubya’.


6 posted on 01/13/2014 11:32:11 PM PST by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: max americana

I know. Hey, I’ve heard the Viet Nam POWs talk about witnessing the deaths caused by Jane Fonda, after watching her, in person, in Hanoi. That she wasnt tried for treason speaks to the pass they get and probably contributes to the pass they get.

I think Marcus could regret it for obvious reasons, but made the right choice

Media or no media, murdering kids is not ok and he knew it

Just my take. They sure could’ve used a working radio to get a command decision on such a deal. They’d have been told to do what they did but not had to live with the guilt

But our guys are not about murdering kids and old men as much as the media would like to think so


7 posted on 01/13/2014 11:43:51 PM PST by stanne
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To: stanne

Tecumseh Sherman was right when he said every reporter should be killed because they are a traitorous bunch.


8 posted on 01/13/2014 11:52:15 PM PST by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: max americana

I think I may just stay off the lone survivor threads


9 posted on 01/13/2014 11:54:47 PM PST by stanne
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To: smoothsailing

Save


10 posted on 01/14/2014 12:04:41 AM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: stanne

Nobody was killed because of Jane Fonda’s visit. Lots of false stories about that. Talked to several POW friends of mine who were there.

No POW note given by Jane to the No. Vietnamese.
No torture for refusing to meet with her.

Still, Hanoi Jane was and is a traitor. Her own acts, photos and words proved that.

Enough to have her convicted and shot. In another time and another place, like WW2.

We’ve lost our guts, but our soldiers/sailors/marines and fliers haven’t. Only our leaders.

PS: Having met and questioned Baby Jane about her activities and claims re Vietnam, I can honestly say that she is a beautiful piece of ignorant shit (as opposed to Rose O’Donnell who is just a piece of shit).

Tom Hayden didn’t marry her for her brains. If so, boy was he disappointed.

MadMax, Nam journalist


11 posted on 01/14/2014 12:10:27 AM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: max americana

Stupid question but why didn’t they take them prisoners with them up the mountain and call their guys rather than doing what they did?


12 posted on 01/14/2014 12:21:15 AM PST by hulagirl (Mother Theresa was right)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

You’ll have to attend the annual symposium given by the pilots of the North Viet Nam prison camp, or read some of their accounts. No one can tell me, after seeing their testimonies year after year in front of their colleagues, families, the entire base of active duty and their families, each other, that when each gives an account of what Fonda did that tgey are lying in front of everyone, that they conspired the story.

It’s insane to assert such a falsehood

She was there, there are photos and her statements, they asked her as they were paraded in front of her, by passing a note, to send word to their families their social security numbers and she gave that to the north Viet Namese colonel He tortured them, resulting in some deaths.

Do you read? Do you have any idea what you are talking about? What these men went through for 6 and 7 years? The psychological and physical torture.

There’s a museum here there are prison uniforms and scratches of guys tied in possible contortions. They are permanently disabled, their chest muscles torn. They watched their friends die

Do you think they get together and make up stuff to tell people

Their wives have stories. Do they get up and say oh there they go again with that silly Jane Fonda story?

But there’s always some flip, egotistical know it all here on free republic who won’t let the Jane fonda comment go unanswered.

It’s worse than jake tapper

Why don’t you go tell one of these guys they’re full of crap?

Why argue with me? They’re still alive, most of them. They write books contact their publisher

Dope


13 posted on 01/14/2014 12:27:14 AM PST by stanne
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To: hulagirl
Stupid question but why didn’t they take them prisoners with them up the mountain and call their guys rather than doing what they did?

No, not stupid, if you've never had to do it or train for it. It's almost impossible to maintain stealth on the move with prisoners. There is always they likelihood one or more, will compromise your position at any given time and likely the worst possible time.
14 posted on 01/14/2014 12:32:50 AM PST by 98ZJ USMC
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
Nobody was killed because of Jane Fonda’s visit. Lots of false stories about that. Talked to several POW friends of mine who were there. No POW note given by Jane to the No. Vietnamese. No torture for refusing to meet with her. Still, Hanoi Jane was and is a traitor. Her own acts, photos and words proved that.

Jane Fonda says that no one was killed or tortured over those aspects of her visit, but some POWs say there was torture over her visit. I am more willing to believe the POWs in "lots of false stories" who mentioned specific names and tortures many years ago than I am to believe careful wording from the traitor you spoke with (or Jane Fonda's claim that the specific stories were part of a Nixon conspiracy). BTW, I agree with you that, when young, she was one of the most beautiful packages of venereal disease alive.

15 posted on 01/14/2014 12:33:01 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: hulagirl

Did you read the book? See the film? It’s all about having no communication ability. The radio signal was out

You can be sure that there will be a lot of criticism as if what they did should’ve been easy

You can be sure that when SEALs do or dont do things there’s a reason


16 posted on 01/14/2014 12:33:03 AM PST by stanne
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To: smoothsailing
Because everyone knows liberals have never been wrong about anything. You can ask them. Anytime.” (p. 37)

Just damn

17 posted on 01/14/2014 12:38:59 AM PST by packrat35 (Pelosi is only on loan to the world from Satan. Hopefully he will soon want his baby killer back)
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To: Pollster1

I never said anything about VD

Why would anyone even dream of listening to her?

She is a propagandist. She makes lies out of half truths.

Why would anyone even think of not taking the word of a woman who gave aid and comfort to the enemy during wartime over the word of the men who survived in a torture camp for seven years in service of our country?

That alone takes more character and virtue and honesty than most will ever see in real life

I don’t know what happened to free republic

What dopes!


18 posted on 01/14/2014 12:39:46 AM PST by stanne
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To: smoothsailing

2nd operation for torn rotator cuff.

Should work.

My Doc took real good care of me and ran interference with the insurance company for two years.

Didn’t need a lawyer or nothing.

Best part of his operation was his staff.

They were amazing. let me push as hard as I could even though it was more than they asked for and more than most people do.

Imuh gonna be back to surfing, snowboarding, mountain biking, hiking and best part; chasing girls again.

Yipee Kigh Yeah....mthrfkrs.....

To celebrate, I’m going to Idaho and jumping off the then”Corona Arch”. It’s a natural bridge and when you reach the bottom of the 120 foot jump, you swing in some very large arcs.

2 mins. Check it;

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4B36Lr0Unp4

God will prove he loves me if I survive . . . . Or I’ll be a rather large ink spot.

LOL


19 posted on 01/14/2014 12:50:51 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: max americana

re: “Those traitorous bastards were the sole reason for driving anti Americanism just to spite Dubya’.”

That’s it exactly. That’s what I cannot stomach about liberals. They use absolutely everything for possible political gain. It doesn’t matter what the consequence to our nation, our soldiers in the field, our national will and morale - all that is secondary to their political agenda.

That’s why Harry Reid, the Senate Majority Leader at the time, publicly stated “the war is lost” - because he didn’t/doesn’t give a damn about the truth or the fact that our young men and women were in harm’s way, or what was good for the American people - that was all expendable in order to smear GW, to gain political leverage against the true “enemy” - his political opposition.

That’s also why Reid, the democrat party, and the GOPe - all these make me literally sick to my stomach - because they all acted for political gain - the American people or the consequences to the country be damned.


20 posted on 01/14/2014 12:53:49 AM PST by rusty schucklefurd
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To: smoothsailing

Someone should ask the media jabberers if they ever view the deaths of reporters in the field as senseless/unnecessary.


21 posted on 01/14/2014 12:53:51 AM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: hulagirl

they should have tied them up well and tied them to trees , gagged & bound . They would have been found in several days due to the racket all the goats would be making . Yet they would have gotten away , far away , before any alarm was raised . Seemed like an easy call to me , but I wasn’t there . They paid for their leniency with their own lives . Don’t seem right to me .


22 posted on 01/14/2014 1:01:31 AM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: LeoWindhorse

Tying them to trees would have been murder. They talked about tgat.

Geeze do people really think these guys were stupid?

They are not out there to stay alive. They’re there to do a job. The possibility of death is part of it. They act wisely and within the rules of humane treatment and rules of engagement. They do not panic and kill people, unarmed kids, by shooting them nor by tying them to a tree to be eaten by animals in torture in order to stay alive

Our people should provide them with the best radio equipment


23 posted on 01/14/2014 1:14:44 AM PST by stanne
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To: max americana
“These guys were not going to murder kids to save themselves”

We need to get over this.

"From nits come lice".

A quote from Tom Quick, Avenger of the Delaware, to the horrified witness, after he had shot an Indian in his canoe, tomahawked the squaw, and dashed out the brains of their baby on a rock.

24 posted on 01/14/2014 2:00:25 AM PST by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: Vendome

Movie was great..

As for rules of engagement, there should be one:
1). Win at all cost.


25 posted on 01/14/2014 2:05:52 AM PST by maddog55
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To: smoothsailing
That's why I have repeatedly said that Marc's fellow patriots were murdered. Murdered by this Nation's politicians and by this Nation's media. That is why he voted to let the goat herders go. Put this scene in Saving Private Ryan you have a completely different outcome.
26 posted on 01/14/2014 2:26:25 AM PST by Portcall24
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To: smoothsailing

I urge all members of FR that can afford it to consider a donation to Marc’s foundation, The Lone Survivor Foundation. My wife and I have done so since it was formed.


27 posted on 01/14/2014 2:28:43 AM PST by Portcall24
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To: stanne
Just my take. They sure could’ve used a working radio to get a command decision on such a deal. They’d have been told to do what they did but not had to live with the guilt

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I saw the film. It was tough to watch, knowing beforehand how it would end. Having all the luxury and comfort of hindsight, the right decision would have been to gag and hogtie the herders, quickly move to a point where radio contact could be established, and get lifted out of there or bring in a larger backup force or air support. At the point when the herders showed up, they had already determined that the enemy numbers in camp were much higher than was expected.

28 posted on 01/14/2014 2:44:49 AM PST by iontheball
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To: skr

My solution? Take Chrissy (”tingle up my leg”) Matthews and some of his buds to Iraq or Afghanistan, give them each an M4 and one magazine, and let them walk the 40 miles or so back to camp. Be sure and pass the word of the event locally just after the dropoff. It will never happen, but a guy can dream, can’t he?


29 posted on 01/14/2014 3:06:08 AM PST by Pecos (The Chicago Way: Kill the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: Portcall24

Just my take. They sure could’ve used a working radio to get a command decision on such a deal. They’d have been told to do what they did but not had to live with the guilt
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Here is a link to the Navy SEAL Foundation. They do great things in support of SEAL survivors and their kids. We help them out as best we can. Thanks.
https://www.seallegacy.org/


30 posted on 01/14/2014 3:08:22 AM PST by iontheball
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To: smoothsailing

The media = domestic enemies.


31 posted on 01/14/2014 3:15:29 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: smoothsailing

It is amazing to look at the interview with Tapper and see how he literally squirmed in his chair. He was most uncomfortable and I believe that is in part because he knows how the media have been towards our soldiers. There’s guilt in him.

Look at how comfortable, concerned and gentle our media is when interviewing terrorists, rotten and evil world leaders and the like. They’ve never demonstrated the amount of discomfort that Tapper demonstrated while interviewing Luttrell.


32 posted on 01/14/2014 3:38:27 AM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Irenic

As far as their decision...I think they made the only decision that disciplined soldiers could make in there situation. They are and were fine and brave men— our best.


33 posted on 01/14/2014 3:43:53 AM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: stanne

I admittedly have no idea what any of this is like, but wonder if the reconnaissance was a problem. I’m sure things often don’t go according to plans, but it seems as though there were some errors by the central command people in estimating the size of the opposition, and maybe even in realizing that the mountains would make communication difficult, or that they could be spotted by civilians.


34 posted on 01/14/2014 3:52:48 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: smoothsailing

Saw the movie last night. The decision on the goat herds was definitely made out of concern about future prosecution.

The “Tie and leave them” option seemed a logical one. Villagers would have known where goats were being taken and would have searched for the herders when they didn’t return. By then, the team would have been across the mountain.

In summary, it’s a very intense movie with a good message. Luttrell is saved by a cultural factor and it seems good Karma for what was shown to the captives. The SEAL team culture is on full display in several aspects.


35 posted on 01/14/2014 3:52:59 AM PST by Makana (Self-esteem is the new intelligence. - Greenfield)
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To: smoothsailing

10. “Some members of the media might think they can brainwash the public anytime they like, but I know they can’t. Not here. Not in the United States of America.” (p. 376)


With those of us who don’t have TV and get all our news off the internet, they don’t stand a chance.


36 posted on 01/14/2014 3:59:32 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: packrat35

The book-length form of that statement is The Vision of the Anointed: Self-Congratulation as a Basis for Social Policy by Thomas Sowell. First published in the mid-1990s, it is still highly relevant today. Strongly recommended for better understanding our political adversaries.


37 posted on 01/14/2014 4:03:08 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: maddog55

There are no rules....


38 posted on 01/14/2014 4:17:49 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: max americana

Back in 2004, during the electrion, Ellen Ratner made the statement that she would like to see more American military Service people killed in order to make Bush 43 look bad. She got a pass on that as she is still featured on FOX News to this day. And nobody ever brings it up.


39 posted on 01/14/2014 4:34:08 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

The recon was bad.

The radios are bad

The phone deal went bad

They had to make decisions theyare not trained for, beyond their pay grade that were hard to swallow, because of the no communications

I don’t know either Just watching the movie


40 posted on 01/14/2014 5:16:43 AM PST by stanne
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To: iontheball

They could not leave the herders without killing them, they said it they talked about it

They did move yto establish radio contact

People now take radio contact as an easy given. But in those mts ten yrs ago no

The whole story was about no radio. They did their best it was not their fault the no comm


41 posted on 01/14/2014 5:20:54 AM PST by stanne
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To: Vendome

That’s in Utah, not Idaho. Very pretty country (near Moab).


42 posted on 01/14/2014 5:56:18 AM PST by Disambiguator
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To: Disambiguator

Maybe I won’t make it after all....


43 posted on 01/14/2014 6:02:32 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome

Too far from your point of origin?


44 posted on 01/14/2014 6:24:10 AM PST by Disambiguator
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To: Disambiguator

No.

Can’t read a map apparently...

LOL


45 posted on 01/14/2014 6:32:08 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: stanne

leaving them tied up would not have been murder , they would have been found , the noisy goat herd would have ensured that. Does AFG have wolves ? They sure don’t have rattlesnakes , as the movie showed .

I have to read the book to see how that conversation actually went according to Marcus , not the movie producers . Marcus himself has written that , in retrospect , he kind of blew it : “ Of the realization that the goat herders had betrayed the SEALs’ position: “It was the stupidest, most southern-fried, lamebrained decision I ever made in my life. I must have been out of my mind. I had actually cast a vote which I knew could sign our death warrant. I’d turned into a fucking liberal, a half-assed, no-logic nitwit, all heart, no brain, and the judgment of a jackrabbit.” I agree with that assessment . We are too kind , too merciful , to those that couldn’t give a rip about either .


46 posted on 01/14/2014 9:51:08 AM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: LeoWindhorse

According to him the movie was exact the conversations were about not wanting them to die due to anything the SEALs did

It’s crazy how people second guess these guys like they were stupid


47 posted on 01/14/2014 11:17:42 AM PST by stanne
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To: LeoWindhorse

I’d think that way at least sometimes if I went through it. They counted on the backup coming after their communication didnt meet the second window.
They counted on the radios or the phone working

Our guys are not murderers. Going to he’ll for this country is not expected. And our country doesn’t murder children and old men

They were sent there without proper equipment backup and recon. The media is horrible but they did not kill these guys. The afghanis did


48 posted on 01/14/2014 11:26:37 AM PST by stanne
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To: stanne

I talked to two POWs who met Fonda, about the note,and they said it never happened.

Between them they hadabout 10 years of torture, malnourishment, solitary confinement, etc. I’ll take their words.

There is enough evidence of Fonda’s treason to convict her without having to use undocumented “stories”. If you have the names of POWS who said that the “note” incident happened, send them to me and I’ll run it by dozens of senior POWs from the Hanoi Hilton, including Adm. Denton (who is not well). Another friend of mine was the late Col. Bud Day who would have known what went on in the Hilton. he never said anything about it.

Let’s stick with provable facts. Any effort to use “hearsay” will only diminish our credibility and that is what the LEFT IS TRYING TO DO.

Let’s not fall for their schemes and disinformation.


49 posted on 01/14/2014 5:26:18 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: max americana
Even when I was still in canuckistan during the Iraq War, the lib media and foreign media were in cahoots cheering for deaths of American soldiers. The AP especially. Those traitorous bastards were the sole reason for driving anti Americanism just to spite Dubya’.

Yes they were.

They cheered when "wise insurgents" disguised themselves as allies and attacked a base from within.

It was all a big power Ghraib. They wanted to turn the American public against the War and Bush (Boosh) so the Rats could win in 2004. It succeeded in turning the public against the war, but it also served to rally the so-called (foreign funded) "insurgents" (terrorists who could commit war crimes without internationale rebuke).

In 2004, 2005 we weren't fighting against Iraqis, we were fighting along side them. Saddam had already been toppled.

The fact that there was no outcry from the Left or John Kerry about Hillary/Obama's war crime murder of a POW named Momar Gaddafi shows the emptyness of their "moral" argument. "WE came, WE saw, HE DIED!! (chuckle chortle)" - Sec. of State Hillary Clinton on the torture, abuse, and murder of Momar Gaddafi.

50 posted on 01/14/2014 5:33:34 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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