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An Obamacare supporter recounts his misadventures dealing with HealthCare.gov
The Daily Caller ^ | January 14, 2014 | Steve Frieez

Posted on 01/14/2014 4:12:40 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: envisio; Cincinatus' Wife

“Of course, most of them are too high to even care about insurance and just show up at the ER with no intention of paying any bill.”

People keep saying stuff like that, or look at these two liberal homos struggling with this, ha ha.

But Cincinatus’wife is correct, it’s not just the dysfunctional and/or the obama supporters who are going to be mal-affected by this law. It is EVERYBODY. And it may do the most harm to the functional - as they will be expected to either pay through the nose or suffer the consequences.

Just look at the people in this piece, one guy was fine, had cheap insurance, the other guy had a problem (or presumably would have had a problem) getting coverage due to his health issues. Wasn’t there some way to help the second guy out without disrupting the entire system for everyone and making sure 2 gay guys have all the free birth control they will never, ever use?


101 posted on 01/14/2014 6:50:06 AM PST by jocon307
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This ‘herd’ is waiting for single payer. If they’re pissed off it’s because they’re still having to pay ‘something’ for healthcare.

This ‘couple’ always had the opportunity to ‘pursue their dreams’ while paying for their healthcare. That they chose not to says a lot about what they think THEY need to pay for vs. what someone ELSE should pay for them.

Their hatred of Obamacare isn’t that they’re having to pay something and that it’s screwed up. Their hatred is that it’s the INSURANCE company ‘phone people’ screwing up and the fact that they’re required to pay anything AT ALL.

I’ve seen this narrative in countless comment sections over the past 3 or 4 weeks. The idea that the reason the insurance companies had this much leeway was the dims trying to get the ‘corporatist’ republicans to ‘buy into’ obamacare at the beginning and make it a bipartisan deal. Clearly the republicans did NOT. Now the job of the left is to demonize the insurance companies for ‘taking advantage’ of the special perks put in by the dims to lure the republicans.

Note how easy it would be, from the article, for the ‘husband’ to simply sign up with medicaid and be done with it.

Why didn’t he? Because there wouldn’t have been fodder to demonize the insurance companies in a nifty little article like this one.

The goal of the left is medicaid for all. I give the insurance companies 5 years, max, before they all go under. Else we’ll be subsidizing them to the tune of trillions and it’ll amount to the same thing, budgetwise.


102 posted on 01/14/2014 6:57:47 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Two aging pajama boys encountering some semblance of reality for the first time in their lives. I can’t help but be amused.


103 posted on 01/14/2014 6:58:38 AM PST by Sloth (Rather than a lesser Evil, I voted for Goode.)
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To: sickoflibs

what I thought was key was they both supported Obamacare because they wanted to quit their jobs where they had insurance coverage and pursue new careers, and that having ACA Obamacare would give them the safety net to do it.


What struck me, beyond your observation, was these are prime demographic bot supporters for whom nothing is working as promised, yet the writer still wants to see it succeed.

Note that the passive *husband* is eligible for Medicaid, where his meds will be provided, but they don’t want that.

Note also, many gays married in order for one to be eligible for the others health insurance policy, but now, there are fewer and fewer policies which provide spousal coverage. As employers have to change their offerings, even without the employer mandate, fewer and fewer will be able to offer spousal coverage or family coverage options.

In every one of these articles, the victims of zer0care state their implicit belief in the *idea* and reassert their passionate support for the Democrat Party.


104 posted on 01/14/2014 7:03:35 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: sickoflibs

“...because they wanted to quit...”

Exactly. Remember what Nancy said...?

“(CNSNews.com) – House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Thursday that Obamacare facilitates the type of “liberation” that the “Founders had in mind” because it allows you to quit your job and become a “photographer,”  a “writer,” a “musician”—or “whatever.”


105 posted on 01/14/2014 7:18:38 AM PST by moovova
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To: Truth29

Does anyone see the insanity of an insurance company being forced to pay out hundreds of dollars per month more for drugs for a “chronic” illness (unnamed)than they collect in premiums.

These people obviously need some financial assistance for their medications, but we are screwing up the entire healthcare delivery system to accommodate these minorities who are otherwise uninsurable on a voluntary basis.

Simple solution is locally run health clinics funded by taxes. Most people in the country live in counties that have this type of service for poor people or the uninsured. And the participants are charged what they can pay according to thier income.


106 posted on 01/14/2014 7:24:07 AM PST by wildbill
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Has anyone noticed that many web sites have removed the ability to comment for opinion pieces and controversial subjects. Some have removed the ability to comment all together. Can't have anybody disagreeing with them I suppose.
107 posted on 01/14/2014 7:27:36 AM PST by RetiredNavy ("Only accurate firearms are interesting")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Another liberal gets mugged LMAO!!!!


108 posted on 01/14/2014 7:37:28 AM PST by ontap
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Graybeard58

In my mind, I substituted “Stephanie” for Steve as I was reading the article. That enabled me to get through it.


109 posted on 01/14/2014 7:41:00 AM PST by Deo volente (God willing, America shall survive this Obamanation.)
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To: Black Agnes

I’ve heard there is some buzz about the House legislating to block insurance bailouts — that then watch the ins. cos turn on a dime.

What have you heard about this in the last few weeks?

I KNOW the House leadership and the GOP-e contingent is less than worthless, but is there anything to this?


110 posted on 01/14/2014 7:41:50 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Deo volente

That was my crutch too.


111 posted on 01/14/2014 7:42:26 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Check your pings. I pinged you to an article about just that.

IMHO there are no good guys in this. Insurance companies were big supporters of obamacare because they were salivating at the thought of a guaranteed income stream. A mandated guaranteed income stream. Either via paying customers, or outright bailouts.

Government, as we all know, was planning on being the single provider all along. Either directly, or indirectly via the insurance companies.


112 posted on 01/14/2014 7:44:00 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Why would his husband qualify for his income to be seperate from the writer? Didn’t it list that Miles was eligible for medicaid? Wouldn’t his income be lumped together with the husband?


113 posted on 01/14/2014 8:02:06 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If Steve and his husband think they have problems now, just wait until their identities are hacked...


114 posted on 01/14/2014 8:10:54 AM PST by Gritty (Liberals think living your life free of welfare, EBT, and government nannies is "cheating"-J Hawkins)
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To: Carry_Okie
At least these creeps can read. Can you imagine how hard this will be for the marginally literate?

Nah. They'll just get put on Medicaid. No problem.

115 posted on 01/14/2014 8:14:40 AM PST by Gritty (Liberals think living your life free of welfare, EBT, and government nannies is "cheating"-J Hawkins)
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To: Paul46360

bflr


116 posted on 01/14/2014 8:17:44 AM PST by freebird5850 (The only good thing about Barry getting re-elected is now we get to see him fall from a higher place)
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To: reformedliberal; moovova
RE :”What struck me, beyond your observation, was these are prime demographic bot supporters for whom nothing is working as promised, yet the writer still wants to see it succeed.
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In every one of these articles, the victims of zer0care state their implicit belief in the *idea* and reassert their passionate support for the Democrat Party.”

I know libs here and they all state their faith in the Federal government to get it right eventually, given enough $$$$ (which they see as unlimited ) and determination.

There is an amazing similarity between Dems and Obamacare and Republicans and the Iraq invasion, many Republicans still believe that we could straighten that place out with unlimited time and $$$$..

One of Obama’s main campaign promises in 2008 was to ‘get us out of Iraq’ which Hillary ran on too,
cant help wonder if GOP candidates in 2016 will be running on ‘Get us out of Obama-care’

117 posted on 01/14/2014 8:36:10 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“In the summer of 2013, Miles and I, both 41 years old, quit our jobs in Washington. Miles was a producer at WJLA, the ABC affiliate in Washington D.C., but he longed to return to school for a new degree and a different career. I was at POLITICO realizing that my life as a freelance journalist was far more engaging, empowering and lucrative than chronicling the petty, overly intertwined worlds of D.C. politics and journalism.”

Oh crikes!!! This is all I need to know. Two Obots with fantastic jobs in state run media in the middle of a depression just up and quit. Now they are boo hooing because they can’t get new insurance same as the old insurance. How many people would have killed to get off unemployment and get a job like these two had?


118 posted on 01/14/2014 8:42:20 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: cuban leaf; RitaOK; Jacquerie; Kaslin; kristinn; laplata; Jane Long; ConorMacNessa; ...

In a system where the Central Government, i.e., the State, collects all the money from those with ability, and redistributes the money to the community, each according to their need, comes damn close to what Karl Marx decreed for his Commune-Style Utopia, to wit:
“FROM EACH ACCORDING TO HIS ABILTY, TO EACH ACCORDING TO HIS NEED.”

Currently that system of redistribution creates all of the US Federal Budget Defecit every year: 40 % of all Federal spending is spent on Welfare, and 40 % of Federal Spending is borrowed.

America was founded on FREEDOM OF CHOICE, which our Founders called LIBERTY.

During our Civil War, we as a Society, chose to confuse the difference between Freedom and Liberty, and that confusion exists to this day.

Freedom leads to Anarchy if accountability is not imposed. Liberty includes accountability for ones actions or inactions.

Obamacare is a mandatory edict from the Central Government that restricts all of our medical insurance choices, and thus restricts our Liberty.

We choose who we want to represent us, and they choose what freedoms of choice they want to deny us, and thus how much Liberty they choose for us to lose.

Total Freedom of Choice leads to anarchy, whereas Liberty contains the discipline of accountability for ones actions or inactions.

For example, in a system based on total Freedom, I may choose to trip you as I walk past you, knowing that I will not be held accountable for my actions or for any harm that comes to you.

In a system based on Liberty, I know that if I trip you that I will be obligated to apologize, pay for any damages to you, and provide a significant extra compensation to you as an example to others as to why they should not consider harming others.

Each Regulation that our Representatives place on us reduces our Freedom of Choice, and thus our Liberty.

As a Society fails, fewer and fewer people are held accountable for their actions, or lack of actions.

This in turn causes the well-meaning Representatives to pass more and more Regulations that decrease more and more of our Freedom of Choices and thus our Liberty.

In time, the Regulations become more relied upon than Laws, as the sense of accountability all but disappears, as is true today, IMHO.

At some point Anarchy becomes dominant, Regulations cease to maintain order, and the Central Government assumes all control.
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In summary, in the continuum from total Freedom to Dictatorial Slavery, there is one small sweet spot of civilized behavior, one set of Checks and Balances that was devised by our Founding Fathers. It is unique and precious to all who love Liberty.

That set of Checks and Balances has not been used in this Century by the Representatives that we have elected.

Thus, it is incumbent on we, the people, to hold our dysfunctional Representatives accountable for their lack of action for not using the Checks and balances that we play them to use.

Hence, it has been very easy to take over the Federal Government by a few men and women who oppose Freedom of Choice, acceptability and Liberty, because they knew that the Congressional Republicans would not use their Constitutional Checks and Balances.

“Evil trumps cowardice every time.”

That is the general outline of our fallen US Federal Government today, where one political party was able to impose a mandatory tax over the objection of 85 % of the population, and do it without effective objection in just 11 months.

Apply whatever political system names to what I have described, as they are all degrees of Slavery that History shows will not end well.


119 posted on 01/14/2014 8:45:17 AM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Black Agnes
Obamacare wasn’t the end, it was the means to the end. Single payer.

Exactly.

As P.J. O'Rourke once so sagely observed, "If you think medical care is expensive now, just wait until it's free!". Our husband and his husband ain't seen nothin' yet!

If you want to see our future, don't look to the NHS. Britain still has a modicum of private payer available. Look to the Soviet "health care" system instead.

You'll be a lot better off going to your Vet's office for your health care needs. Maybe take your hamster to the local hospital instead if you don't care much what happens to him?

Or, if you are really desperate and decide to go to a "doctor", make sure you take a healthy bribe with you if you want to be anything other than ignored or butchered. But don't expect the consultation to be in any sort of English you can understand.

120 posted on 01/14/2014 8:49:14 AM PST by Gritty (Liberals think living your life free of welfare, EBT, and government nannies is "cheating"-J Hawkins)
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To: Graewoulf

Each Regulation that our Representatives place on us reduces our Freedom of Choice, and thus our Liberty.
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“The small stack of papers on top of the display are the laws passed by elected members of Congress and signed into law by the president [emphasis added].”

Sen. Mike Lee Uses One Simple Photo to Argue That We’ve Become a Nation of Regulations

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/01/13/mike-lee-in-one-simple-photo-argues-that-weve-become-a-nation-of-regulations/


121 posted on 01/14/2014 8:52:21 AM PST by Whenifhow
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
This article uses WAAAAAY too many words.

Ever notice how wordy gays are?

122 posted on 01/14/2014 10:59:55 AM PST by what's up
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To: Graybeard58

Yeah, there’s that as well as whoever heard of serious people holding back on a career move, or even starting one, based on health insurance? How limp-wristed , gutless, and incompetent does one have to be to nurse a half-assed job for a perceived freeby? Sounds like there’s an AIDS factor, or some other STD, involved in the related story-—not to mention a dose of Nanny-Stateness or a desire for motherhood.


123 posted on 01/14/2014 1:14:17 PM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Some may boil our misadventures down to its core, a bratty dirge by privileged whiners who don’t even need Obamacare and are sore they couldn’t get their medication covered.

who says she's dumb... or is it a brief moment of mental clarity???

and why is the mutt she's married to, who IS NOT WORKING, unable to do his OWN phone calls? is he even dumber than she is???


and the RATS, take another one in the.........HA ha!!!

124 posted on 01/14/2014 3:39:24 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Graewoulf
anarchy, whereas Liberty contains the discipline of accountability for ones actions or inactions.

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --October 11, 1798 John Adams

We no longer believe God keeps an account of our actions, so God has let government have access to our very thoughts and we will answer to the Evil that is government.

Just a thought but, maybe we should be asking for forgiveness, before it is to late.


125 posted on 01/14/2014 5:10:08 PM PST by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I was talking with someone today who has been dealing with the MA state-run exchange. So far, they have had their subsidy “recalculated” three times, then got a final answer, which is different from what the insurance company received as the final subsidy. Then the state lost part of the info to send to the insurance company to issue the policy.


126 posted on 01/14/2014 5:10:40 PM PST by matt04
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Alas, Brave New Babylon.


127 posted on 01/14/2014 7:52:45 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Chode

In case you didn’t read downthread. There is no ‘she’ in this article.

The author is referring to HIS husband.

The original question though is valid. Why is the ‘husband’ unable to complete his own phone business and clerical work?


128 posted on 01/14/2014 7:54:43 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: jocon307
You are so right. EVERYBODY is going to suffer. Wait till next year when everybody's insurance premiums go through the roof.

I have some friends. Trust fund babies. Big liberals. They had really top of the line insurance but -by choice - it did not cover maternity care, contraceptives or psychotherapy. They were cancelled and were shocked that the cost of their insurance had tripled.

They blame the insurance companies.

129 posted on 01/14/2014 8:11:25 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If carefully read, the entire article can be boiled down to this:

“ObamaCare is a good idea. We just have to get the right people to operate it”.

I’ll wager any amount she will vote D again.

For many, stupid can’t be fixed.


130 posted on 01/14/2014 8:29:17 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Over production, one of the top 5 worries for the American Farmer every year.)
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To: Black Agnes
yuck...
131 posted on 01/14/2014 8:33:00 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Once again we get the false claim that having a pre-existing condition would have prevented an individual covered by group insurance from getting coverage upon leaving his employment. HIPAA has provided for over a decade that insurers are mandated to provide coverage to anyone coming off a group policy who has maxed out his/her COBRA.

The false claim has been repeatedly made as a justification for ObamaCare. What IS different is that ObamaCare MIGHT have made that mandatory coverage cheaper by limiting age related premium increases, but the claim that he wouldn’t have been able to get coverage is absolutely false.


132 posted on 01/14/2014 9:06:42 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

True, and the GOP isn’t making any significant effort to point out to them who that is.


133 posted on 01/14/2014 9:36:25 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Graybeard58

I caught that, too. He referred to him as “my husband” only once. After that it’s Miles this and Miles that.


134 posted on 01/14/2014 11:16:46 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: drbuzzard

Ha! You said “dickering”! It fits in this story.

Ha! I said “it fits”!


135 posted on 01/14/2014 11:18:26 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Carry_Okie

Can you imagine how many people are going to the doctor believing they automatically have insurance?


136 posted on 01/14/2014 11:21:02 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Black Agnes
It’s two husbands. There are no wives in this story.

I wonder which one is responsible for taking the free birth control pills?

137 posted on 01/15/2014 12:22:50 AM PST by dearolddad (/i>)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

People “voluntarily” leave paid Employment to pursue their “dreams” and we the Taxpayers have to subsidize it?

Why do I go to work everyday again? Because I’m an Idiot is the only logical answer.


138 posted on 01/15/2014 12:51:19 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (Nobody owes you a living, so shut up and get back to work...)
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To: Kozak

Being Married would mean he could add his Spouse to his Employer Provided Health Insurance without that person’s “Existing Condition” being an issue, even before Obamacare.


139 posted on 01/15/2014 12:54:21 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (Nobody owes you a living, so shut up and get back to work...)
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To: Sloth

They have been ‘journalists’ they entire lives and so have never had to do anything productive.

They believe in unicorns and fairies and think “some day the government will get this right”


140 posted on 01/15/2014 7:06:30 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Not sure where it stands in the House but in the (useless) Senate, Rubio is pushing this...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/20/senators-push-bill-to-prevent-insurance-industry-bailout-over-obamacare/


141 posted on 01/15/2014 8:27:58 AM PST by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear" - Glenn Beck)
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To: txrangerette

Thanks for the link.

It looks like everything is up in the air.

The Obama juggling act to keep things off center.


142 posted on 01/15/2014 8:32:56 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“The Obama juggling act to keep things off center.”

Evil at its inception loves chaos.

Fully implemented it is totalitarian.


143 posted on 01/15/2014 8:52:22 AM PST by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear. -Glenn Beck)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Come November, we’ll check back and see what Obamacare plans are available for 2015. We want the ACA to work; the previous status quo certainly did not.


Yes, the previous status quo DID WORK, they just wanted something that was free.

You can tell they learned nothing though this. People are stupid.

Mark Twain said. “The cat, having sat upon a hot stove lid, will not sit upon a hot stove lid again. But he won’t sit upon a cold stove lid, either.”


144 posted on 01/15/2014 9:06:19 AM PST by PeterPrinciple
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

bkmk


145 posted on 01/18/2014 8:55:35 PM PST by AllAmericanGirl44
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