Skip to comments.Obama plot: Black out '40% of U.S. power supply'
Posted on 01/14/2014 7:05:44 AM PST by rktman
Now a new Environmental Protection Agency rule on power plants requires a massive reduction in greenhouse gas emissions and threatens to block any new coal-fired energy facilities because they cannot hope to meet the new standards without using unproven and cost-prohibitive technology.
Concerned individuals may email the EPA with their comments at a-and-r-Docket@epa.gov. Comments MUST reference Docket ID: EPA-HQ-OAR-2013-0495.
The rule is currently in the public comment phase, but free-market energy advocates see the coal industry clearly within the Obama administrations crosshairs.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
Is it me or is that headline see a little...racist? LOL!
With the amount of natural gas we have coal fired plants are no longer needed and completely ridiculous.
That being said, let market forces work this out, not the EPA.
This thing in West Virginia - was the toxic chemical released a chemical that the greenies had insisted on to make coal more environmentally acceptable? I haven’t heard anyone say why this treatment was being used.
What does it cost to shut down a coal fired plant and start up a natural gas facility?
Oh....wait.....The EPA won’t authorize construction of any new natural gas facilities....
It was said that the chem used/leaked was required to scrub the coal to reduce sulpher emissions. In other words, it is an EPA requirement.
A coal-fired plant can store 30 days worth of fuel in a big pile. If you depressurize the natural gas line you can make a whole state go dark in minutes. Fuel diversity is a national security issue.
He could use the Clinton method:
“I havent heard anyone say why this treatment was being used.”
Probably because some biggie campaign donor has a company that makes it...
You know not what you speak of. To make that forced change in less than a decade or two would skyrocket electric and heating bills. It would cripple this country. It would make this Obama recession seem like the glory days of economic bliss.
The W. Va. chemical is used in certain coal wash plant applications, not power plant use.
What is 4-methylcyclohexane methanol?
The compound involved in the West Virginia chemical spill is used to rid coal of impurities before it is burned to generate power.
“Short version it is used in removing some sulfur from coal,” David Bayless, director of Ohio University’s Ohio Coal Research Center, wrote in an e-mail to the Monitor. “That is a separation process ... usually done at the mine before the coal is shipped to the utility to burn.”
I’m taking about new construction, not refitting existing plants.
See 13. I am confused unless you forgot the /s.
Well, they couldn’t very well say “Hispanic out ‘40% of US power supply” now could they? LOL! That would be too blatant.
The chemical is used in “froth flotation” cleaning of the very fine particles of coal. The company I once worked for used water only Dutch State Mines hydrocyclones for the 1&1/4 X 1/4 inch coal and Hyle and Patterson classifying cyclones for the 1/4 X 28 mesh coal. Our wash water was reused via a very large static thickener with almost no makeup water. Chemicals and heavy media (ground iron ore) are used in other wash plant designs for various coals, financial limitations and other reasons.
That, along with ObamaCare, shutting down most of the coal jobs, and extending unemployment compensation to about forever should give another big boost to the economy!
Well, thank God that we’ve turned the corner, the economy is recovering and unemployment rates are plummeting towards zero. HUH? Not from where I’m sittin’. (And no, it ain’t in the basement wearing my PJ’s. LOL!)
Yeah. Great job of parenting there billy ray. With any luck, she’ll follow the “beeb” and tweet that she’s retiring from being a nasty little skank.
No new gas fired power plants? Where do you get your information from? I work in the industry and this is the first I’ve heard of it.
Sadly for us it ain’t just the electricity that’s skyrocketing. The price of EVERYTHING is “necessarily”(?) skyrocketing. Although gas (reg. unleaded)[why do we bother with the term unleaded any more?] was down to $3.29 a couple weeks ago but has now climbed back up to $3.41. Must have been necessary.
If they are able to do this, and if they get away with it, they will then go after existing coal-fired power plants, Simmons warned.”
The EPA is already shutting down existing coal fired power plants. Two are being shut down here in GA. I cannot for the life of me understand why the governors are not just telling the EPA to stuff it.
I believe the plan is to severly limit your electrical usage. At some point you will be alloted so many KW’s per month and when you hit that number your smart meter will turn off your electricity until the first of the next month. Air conditioning will be a thing of the past. You just need to sweat a little for the good of the planet.
The other thing that I see coming our way is an electrical grid so stressed especially in the summer that it will go down. Just a matter of what moment in time.
“If you have your coal fired energy plant, you can keep your coal fired energy plant” - King Potentate Obanga, Single Payer _Resident
What did Socialists use for light before they had candles?
Despite folks working to NOT have smart meters (i.e. control devices) placed on our homes in NV, they got installed anyway. And on the gas meters too. Couple of key strokes and your off. Or pre-programmed to shut you down when you reach your allotted amount. Chilly? The ever idiotic jimmah cahtah would advise a sweater.
New Natural Gas Power plants in Texas under construction as of Dec 31, 2013
Calpine Channel EC Pasadena NG 260 MW
Calpine Deer Park EC Deer Park NG 260 MW
Friendswood Energy Genco Friendswood Energy Generation NG 316 MW
LCRA Ferguson Project Horseshoe Bay NG 570 MW
Panda Energy Sherman Power Sherman NG 809 WM
Panda Energy Temple Power Temple NG 791 WM
Agree 110%! Obozo is a national security issue.
There is no other country in the world that has done more to improve coal technology...but it's never enough with the enviro-nuts.
Before Obozo took office, 12/06/2008 I was paying $1.41 per gallon of reg. unleaded. 12/15/2008 - $1.29, 1/03/2009 - $1.24 per gallon.
Here we are years into this guys reign and I am shelling out almost three times this amount for gasoline.
Along with the 2% Social Security hike on my income and my wife's income, increased insurance premiums due to Obozocare, stalled economy causing stagnant wages....the Kenyan’s killing off the middle class.
Hope and change? More like inhibit and depress.
Seems I have the advantage of having actually read the article.
From Obama’s 2008 speech:
“So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; its just that it will bankrupt them, because theyre going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas thats being emitted Obama told the San Francisco Chronicle editorial board in January 2008.
He added, Under my plan of a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because Im capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, they would have to, uh, retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers.”
See my post #32 for Obama’s quote about pricing Nat Gas out of feasibility, along with everything else.
But the cap-and-trade system was never implemented.
New Power Plants are being built, including coal and natural gas.
The main problem in interpreting this clown’s actions is deciding whether he and his are ignorant or malicious in harming our country.
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Why won't they? Gas is much cleaner than coal.
We got our smart meters about 5 years ago. Georgia Power sent out a letter to everyone swearing to Buddha that the meters cannot track the energy use of any individual appliance.
Now we get a little energy report every month in the mail which tells us in a very upbeat chirpy way how our last months’ energy use compares to everybody else. Fortunately our house is really well insulated and shaded so we don’t use excessive energy and our report is always “good” or “excellent” But I’m waiting for the time when they start coming down on the people who use more than average electricity.
We are putting together our retirement retreat with a complete alternate off grid solar system. If it gets too hairy or the grid simply fails we will just shut the power off and go on our solar. Unless the EPA is put under control its going to come to that.
Some are just ignoramus's.....
Others are "Transforming America"........
I'll let you figure out who's who.
So the stack scrubbers were not enough to satisfy the EPA? I thought that's what the stack scrubbers were for.
The Texas grid almost reached capacity last week. I’ve never seen that in the winter time. As such I bought one of these:
It is now a matter of when, not if it goes down.
Natural gas vs coal fired plants. Many of these (if not most) can switch between coal and NG. These plants make that switch back and forth based on economics. The ability to switch is what keeps NG affordable.
Good idea. You may need it long about June or July.
In GA you can live in the mountains without AC but down around Atlanta it would really be rough July, Aug and the first 2 weeks of Sept. The humidity gets so bad its just murder. Old people would keel over like flies. Maybe thats the plan.
Yes, send comments to the government. Two years ago the EAA and AOPA initiated a petition for rule-making that would allow people with recreational pilot privileges to fly small aircraft without first getting an FAA Third Class Medical Certificate as can Sport Pilots. Sixteen thousand people wrote in support of the petition. The FAA’s Obama-appointed Administrator refuses to discuss it or act upon the petition, which is unlawful. So, sixteen congressmen have now introduced legislation to basically end the Third Class Medical Certificate. Suddenly, the FAA is promising action on the original petition.
Shouldn't be hard to figure out. Afterall, our Marxist Overlord signaled his intentions quite clearly very early on.
We have had that for many winters in the last couple decades.
Texas Grid Operator Warns of Power Shortages Ahead
22 May 2012
A Guide to the 2011 Texas Blackouts
February 2, 2011 was a dark day for many Texans
ERCOT Sets New Winter Peak
January 08, 2010
The Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT) implemented the second stage of its emergency grid procedures Tuesday evening following a sudden drop in the system frequency.
February 27, 2008
Name a single power plant that can feed either natural gas or coal.
I’m not debating the fact that you read the article, I’m asking where you found information that the EPA is not issuing permits for LNG power plants?
What facts do you have to back up your statement?
Natural gas generators cannot switch to coal. I believe coal and biomass can be switched.