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Obama plot: Black out '40% of U.S. power supply'
WorldNetDaily ^ | 1/14/2014 | unknown

Posted on 01/14/2014 7:05:44 AM PST by rktman

Now a new Environmental Protection Agency rule on power plants requires a massive reduction in greenhouse gas emissions and threatens to block any new coal-fired energy facilities because they cannot hope to meet the new standards without using unproven and cost-prohibitive technology.

Concerned individuals may email the EPA with their comments at a-and-r-Docket@epa.gov. Comments MUST reference Docket ID: EPA-HQ-OAR-2013-0495.

The rule is currently in the public comment phase, but free-market energy advocates see the coal industry clearly within the Obama administration’s crosshairs.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
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Comment line is open. That is if comments from the peons will have any attention paid to them. Kind of like turning the clock back 50 years when most of those living in poverty didn't have electricity or running water. Poverty stricken today is only having one 60" flat screen. Oh, the huge manatee. One of the very few things the "lyin' king" told the truth about. I don't recall him ever saying that if you like your electric bill you can keep your electric bill.
1 posted on 01/14/2014 7:05:44 AM PST by rktman
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To: rktman

Is it me or is that headline see a little...racist? LOL!


2 posted on 01/14/2014 7:06:55 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: rktman

With the amount of natural gas we have coal fired plants are no longer needed and completely ridiculous.

That being said, let market forces work this out, not the EPA.


3 posted on 01/14/2014 7:07:57 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: rktman

This thing in West Virginia - was the toxic chemical released a chemical that the greenies had insisted on to make coal more environmentally acceptable? I haven’t heard anyone say why this treatment was being used.


4 posted on 01/14/2014 7:10:18 AM PST by Mercat
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To: TheRhinelander

Oh....Really?

What does it cost to shut down a coal fired plant and start up a natural gas facility?

Oh....wait.....The EPA won’t authorize construction of any new natural gas facilities....

Your turn....


5 posted on 01/14/2014 7:13:01 AM PST by G Larry
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To: Mercat

It was said that the chem used/leaked was required to scrub the coal to reduce sulpher emissions. In other words, it is an EPA requirement.


6 posted on 01/14/2014 7:16:05 AM PST by sasquatch
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To: TheRhinelander

A coal-fired plant can store 30 days worth of fuel in a big pile. If you depressurize the natural gas line you can make a whole state go dark in minutes. Fuel diversity is a national security issue.


7 posted on 01/14/2014 7:19:00 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: rktman

He could use the Clinton method:
http://www.timeswrsw.com/V032997.HTM


8 posted on 01/14/2014 7:22:14 AM PST by sasquatch
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To: Mercat

“I haven’t heard anyone say why this treatment was being used.”

Probably because some biggie campaign donor has a company that makes it...


9 posted on 01/14/2014 7:23:44 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: TheRhinelander
With the amount of natural gas we have coal fired plants are no longer needed

You know not what you speak of. To make that forced change in less than a decade or two would skyrocket electric and heating bills. It would cripple this country. It would make this Obama recession seem like the glory days of economic bliss.

10 posted on 01/14/2014 7:23:48 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: TheRhinelander
Why don't we wait till a few more gas fired units come on line ?
Not all coal plants can just “switch” to gas.
11 posted on 01/14/2014 7:25:10 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: sasquatch

The W. Va. chemical is used in certain coal wash plant applications, not power plant use.


12 posted on 01/14/2014 7:27:25 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Mercat

What is 4-methylcyclohexane methanol?

The compound involved in the West Virginia chemical spill is used to rid coal of impurities before it is burned to generate power.

“Short version – it is used in removing some sulfur from coal,” David Bayless, director of Ohio University’s Ohio Coal Research Center, wrote in an e-mail to the Monitor. “That is a separation process ... usually done at the mine before the coal is shipped to the utility to burn.”

http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/Energy-Voices/2014/0110/West-Virginia-chemical-spill-What-s-4-methylcyclohexane-methanol-video


13 posted on 01/14/2014 7:28:01 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

I’m taking about new construction, not refitting existing plants.


14 posted on 01/14/2014 7:30:56 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

See 13. I am confused unless you forgot the /s.


15 posted on 01/14/2014 7:34:58 AM PST by sasquatch
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Well, they couldn’t very well say “Hispanic out ‘40% of US power supply” now could they? LOL! That would be too blatant.


16 posted on 01/14/2014 7:41:25 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: sasquatch

The chemical is used in “froth flotation” cleaning of the very fine particles of coal. The company I once worked for used water only Dutch State Mines hydrocyclones for the 1&1/4 X 1/4 inch coal and Hyle and Patterson classifying cyclones for the 1/4 X 28 mesh coal. Our wash water was reused via a very large static thickener with almost no makeup water. Chemicals and heavy media (ground iron ore) are used in other wash plant designs for various coals, financial limitations and other reasons.


17 posted on 01/14/2014 7:41:28 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: rktman
Great! Let's double the cost of electricity.

That, along with ObamaCare, shutting down most of the coal jobs, and extending unemployment compensation to about forever should give another big boost to the economy!

18 posted on 01/14/2014 7:50:19 AM PST by Gritty (Liberals think living your life free of welfare, EBT, and government nannies is "cheating"-J Hawkins)
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To: rktman
It will come upon us like a thief in the night while we are paying attention to something like Mylie Cyrus or a sports figure using drugs. Eternal Vigilance is the Price of Liberty
19 posted on 01/14/2014 7:51:45 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Gritty

Well, thank God that we’ve turned the corner, the economy is recovering and unemployment rates are plummeting towards zero. HUH? Not from where I’m sittin’. (And no, it ain’t in the basement wearing my PJ’s. LOL!)


20 posted on 01/14/2014 7:53:00 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: fella

Yeah. Great job of parenting there billy ray. With any luck, she’ll follow the “beeb” and tweet that she’s retiring from being a nasty little skank.


21 posted on 01/14/2014 7:54:48 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: rktman
One of the few time Obama actually told the truth He will implement plans that will cause “Electricity costs [to] necessarily skyrocket” he said
22 posted on 01/14/2014 8:00:28 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: Mr. K
Yesterday's WSJ reported the W. VA chemical plant had not been inspected by anyone since 1991. Pictures of the layout show the tanks located behind some sort of berm but it's not clear how the liquid got in the river.
23 posted on 01/14/2014 8:02:46 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: G Larry

No new gas fired power plants? Where do you get your information from? I work in the industry and this is the first I’ve heard of it.


24 posted on 01/14/2014 8:04:27 AM PST by PJammers (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Mr. K

Sadly for us it ain’t just the electricity that’s skyrocketing. The price of EVERYTHING is “necessarily”(?) skyrocketing. Although gas (reg. unleaded)[why do we bother with the term unleaded any more?] was down to $3.29 a couple weeks ago but has now climbed back up to $3.41. Must have been necessary.


25 posted on 01/14/2014 8:05:06 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: rktman

“If they are able to do this, and if they get away with it, they will then go after existing coal-fired power plants,” Simmons warned.”

The EPA is already shutting down existing coal fired power plants. Two are being shut down here in GA. I cannot for the life of me understand why the governors are not just telling the EPA to stuff it.

I believe the plan is to severly limit your electrical usage. At some point you will be alloted so many KW’s per month and when you hit that number your smart meter will turn off your electricity until the first of the next month. Air conditioning will be a thing of the past. You just need to sweat a little for the good of the planet.

The other thing that I see coming our way is an electrical grid so stressed especially in the summer that it will go down. Just a matter of what moment in time.


26 posted on 01/14/2014 8:06:19 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: rktman

“If you have your coal fired energy plant, you can keep your coal fired energy plant” - King Potentate Obanga, Single Payer _Resident


27 posted on 01/14/2014 8:11:41 AM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: rktman

What did Socialists use for light before they had candles?

Answer: Electricity


28 posted on 01/14/2014 8:14:53 AM PST by PATRIOT1876
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Despite folks working to NOT have smart meters (i.e. control devices) placed on our homes in NV, they got installed anyway. And on the gas meters too. Couple of key strokes and your off. Or pre-programmed to shut you down when you reach your allotted amount. Chilly? The ever idiotic jimmah cahtah would advise a sweater.


29 posted on 01/14/2014 8:15:22 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: G Larry

New Natural Gas Power plants in Texas under construction as of Dec 31, 2013
http://www.puc.texas.gov/industry/maps/elecmaps/gentable.pdf

Calpine Channel EC Pasadena NG 260 MW
Calpine Deer Park EC Deer Park NG 260 MW
Friendswood Energy Genco Friendswood Energy Generation NG 316 MW
LCRA Ferguson Project Horseshoe Bay NG 570 MW
Panda Energy Sherman Power Sherman NG 809 WM
Panda Energy Temple Power Temple NG 791 WM


30 posted on 01/14/2014 8:15:31 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Bryanw92
>>Fuel diversity is a national security issue.<<

Agree 110%! Obozo is a national security issue.

There is no other country in the world that has done more to improve coal technology...but it's never enough with the enviro-nuts.

Before Obozo took office, 12/06/2008 I was paying $1.41 per gallon of reg. unleaded. 12/15/2008 - $1.29, 1/03/2009 - $1.24 per gallon.

Here we are years into this guys reign and I am shelling out almost three times this amount for gasoline.

Along with the 2% Social Security hike on my income and my wife's income, increased insurance premiums due to Obozocare, stalled economy causing stagnant wages....the Kenyan’s killing off the middle class.

Hope and change? More like inhibit and depress.

31 posted on 01/14/2014 8:15:59 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: PJammers

Seems I have the advantage of having actually read the article.

From Obama’s 2008 speech:
““So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it’s just that it will bankrupt them, because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted” Obama told the San Francisco Chronicle editorial board in January 2008.

He added, “Under my plan of a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because I’m capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it — whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, they would have to, uh, retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers.”


32 posted on 01/14/2014 8:17:35 AM PST by G Larry
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To: thackney

See my post #32 for Obama’s quote about pricing Nat Gas out of feasibility, along with everything else.


33 posted on 01/14/2014 8:19:49 AM PST by G Larry
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To: G Larry

But the cap-and-trade system was never implemented.

New Power Plants are being built, including coal and natural gas.


34 posted on 01/14/2014 8:20:55 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: rktman

The main problem in interpreting this clown’s actions is deciding whether he and his are ignorant or malicious in harming our country.


35 posted on 01/14/2014 8:21:07 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: G Larry; TheRhinelander
But hey guy's they will permit giant wind turbines out on the wide open beautiful prairie...And the Fish and Wildlife, and PETA, and The Sierra Club just look the other way when thousands of wild bats, hawks, vultures, and eagles get whacked!!
36 posted on 01/14/2014 8:21:27 AM PST by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: rktman
C.O.N.T.R.O.L

"We OWN you, b*tches!"

Healthcare
Energy
Food
Commerce
Movement
Communication
Education

Welcome to the FEDGOV Family, Serfs!

37 posted on 01/14/2014 8:22:54 AM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: G Larry
Oh....wait.....The EPA won’t authorize construction of any new natural gas facilities....

Why won't they? Gas is much cleaner than coal.

38 posted on 01/14/2014 8:25:06 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (...)
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To: rktman

We got our smart meters about 5 years ago. Georgia Power sent out a letter to everyone swearing to Buddha that the meters cannot track the energy use of any individual appliance.

Now we get a little energy report every month in the mail which tells us in a very upbeat chirpy way how our last months’ energy use compares to everybody else. Fortunately our house is really well insulated and shaded so we don’t use excessive energy and our report is always “good” or “excellent” But I’m waiting for the time when they start coming down on the people who use more than average electricity.

We are putting together our retirement retreat with a complete alternate off grid solar system. If it gets too hairy or the grid simply fails we will just shut the power off and go on our solar. Unless the EPA is put under control its going to come to that.


39 posted on 01/14/2014 8:26:00 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
How about both.

Some are just ignoramus's.....

Others are "Transforming America"........

I'll let you figure out who's who.

40 posted on 01/14/2014 8:26:37 AM PST by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: sasquatch
It was said that the chem used/leaked was required to scrub the coal to reduce sulpher emissions.

So the stack scrubbers were not enough to satisfy the EPA? I thought that's what the stack scrubbers were for.

41 posted on 01/14/2014 8:27:02 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (...)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

The Texas grid almost reached capacity last week. I’ve never seen that in the winter time. As such I bought one of these:

http://www.amazon.com/Champion-Equipment-46539-Generator-Compliant/dp/B004HSP7EK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1389716993&sr=8-1&keywords=champion+generator

It is now a matter of when, not if it goes down.


42 posted on 01/14/2014 8:30:14 AM PST by davetex (Location: The Alamo)
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To: TheRhinelander

Natural gas vs coal fired plants. Many of these (if not most) can switch between coal and NG. These plants make that switch back and forth based on economics. The ability to switch is what keeps NG affordable.


43 posted on 01/14/2014 8:32:12 AM PST by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: davetex

Good idea. You may need it long about June or July.

In GA you can live in the mountains without AC but down around Atlanta it would really be rough July, Aug and the first 2 weeks of Sept. The humidity gets so bad its just murder. Old people would keel over like flies. Maybe thats the plan.


44 posted on 01/14/2014 8:34:30 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: rktman

Yes, send comments to the government. Two years ago the EAA and AOPA initiated a petition for rule-making that would allow people with recreational pilot privileges to fly small aircraft without first getting an FAA Third Class Medical Certificate as can Sport Pilots. Sixteen thousand people wrote in support of the petition. The FAA’s Obama-appointed Administrator refuses to discuss it or act upon the petition, which is unlawful. So, sixteen congressmen have now introduced legislation to basically end the Third Class Medical Certificate. Suddenly, the FAA is promising action on the original petition.


45 posted on 01/14/2014 8:43:27 AM PST by pabianice (LINE)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
The main problem in interpreting this clown’s actions is deciding whether he and his are ignorant or malicious in harming our country.

Shouldn't be hard to figure out. Afterall, our Marxist Overlord signaled his intentions quite clearly very early on.

46 posted on 01/14/2014 8:47:08 AM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: davetex
The Texas grid almost reached capacity last week. I’ve never seen that in the winter time.

We have had that for many winters in the last couple decades.

Texas Grid Operator Warns of Power Shortages Ahead
http://www.newsmax.com/Economy/Texas-Grid-Power-Shortages/2012/05/22/id/439929
22 May 2012

A Guide to the 2011 Texas Blackouts
http://stateimpact.npr.org/texas/tag/2011-blackouts/
February 2, 2011 was a dark day for many Texans

ERCOT Sets New Winter Peak
http://www.ercot.com/news/press_releases/show/322
January 08, 2010

The Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT) implemented the second stage of its emergency grid procedures Tuesday evening following a sudden drop in the system frequency.
http://www.ercot.com/news/press_releases/show/253
February 27, 2008

47 posted on 01/14/2014 9:07:43 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: kjam22
Many of these (if not most) can switch between coal and NG.

Name a single power plant that can feed either natural gas or coal.

48 posted on 01/14/2014 9:08:29 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: G Larry

I’m not debating the fact that you read the article, I’m asking where you found information that the EPA is not issuing permits for LNG power plants?

What facts do you have to back up your statement?


49 posted on 01/14/2014 9:08:40 AM PST by PJammers (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: kjam22

Natural gas generators cannot switch to coal. I believe coal and biomass can be switched.


50 posted on 01/14/2014 9:18:29 AM PST by PJammers (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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