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Is The ATF Using Tactics Akin To Fast And Furious At Home To Undermine Gun Rights?
Personal Liberty Digest ^ | 1/13/2014 | Sam Rolley

Posted on 01/14/2014 10:16:21 AM PST by IbJensen

House Oversight Committee chairman Representative Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) said that a recent news report outlines how the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) is using tactics that amount to “Fast and Furious revisited” in a bid to increase support for the Obama Administration’s gun control crusade.

During a Sunday program on Fox News, Issa discussed a recent report by the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel which details how ATF agents operating stings in six different cities “took advantage of the mentally ill, set up stings near churches and schools and made decisions which some claim actually increased crime in their neighborhoods.”

“This is Fast and Furious revisited,” Issa said. “You finally have a confirmed director, Todd Jones, who was supposed to clean up these operations. And instead — what you see in many of these cases — they’re continuing. They’re continuing to have this be what’s called a ‘rogue organization.’ But I think for the members of the ATF, I want to make sure I make one thing clear. The ATF never acts alone. The FBI and the U.S. attorneys in each of these areas — political appointees — they work hand in hand… This is the President, President Obama’s Department of Justice that continues to support these sting operations, these ‘rogue operations’ as they’re called, that lead to harm in communities.”

The Dec. 7 Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel report listed the following tactics used by the ATF in various stings throughout the Nation:

■ ATF agents befriended mentally disabled people to drum up business and later arrested them in at least four cities in addition to Milwaukee. In Wichita, Kan., ATF agents referred to a man with a low IQ as “slow-headed” before deciding to secretly use him as a key cog in their sting. And agents in Albuquerque, N.M., gave a brain-damaged drug addict with little knowledge of weapons a “tutorial” on machine guns, hoping he could find them one.

■ Agents in several cities opened undercover gun- and drug-buying operations in safe zones near churches and schools, allowed juveniles to come in and play video games and teens to smoke marijuana, and provided alcohol to underage youths. In Portland, attorneys for three teens who were charged said a female agent dressed provocatively, flirted with the boys and encouraged them to bring drugs and weapons to the store to sell.

■ As they did in Milwaukee, agents in other cities offered sky-high prices for guns, leading suspects to buy firearms at stores and turn around and sell them to undercover agents for a quick profit. In other stings, agents ran fake pawnshops and readily bought stolen items, such as electronics and bikes — no questions asked — spurring burglaries and theft. In Atlanta, agents bought guns that had been stolen just hours earlier, several ripped off from police cars.

■ Agents damaged buildings they rented for their operations, tearing out walls and rewiring electricity — then stuck landlords with the repair bills. A property owner in Portland said agents removed a parking lot spotlight,damaging her new $30,000 roof and causing leaks, before they shut down the operation and disappeared without a way for her to contact them.

■ Agents pressed suspects for specific firearms that could fetch tougher penalties in court. They allowed felons to walk out of the stores armed with guns. In Wichita, agents suggested a felon take a shotgun, saw it off and bring it back — and provided instructions on how to do it. The sawed-off gun allowed them to charge the man with a more serious crime.

■ In Pensacola, the ATF hired a felon to run its pawnshop. The move widened the pool of potential targets, boosting arrest numbers.Even those trying to sell guns legally could be charged if they knowingly sold to a felon. The ATF’s pawnshop partner was later convicted of pointing a loaded gun at someone outside a bar. Instead of a stiff sentence typically handed down to repeat offenders in federal court, he got six months in jail — and a pat on the back from the prosecutor.

Issa— who, along with Senator Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) and Representative Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.), has asked Jones to provide Congress with some answers about the ATF’s questionable tactics— told Fox viewers that the agency’s actions are directly related to the White House’s disdain for the 2nd Amendment.

“I think what we have here once again is a war on guns, if you will, that causes them to take these bold moves — bold and reckless moves — because they hate guns so much,” he said. “Fast and Furious had the opposite effect; it made Americans scared of their government… Whether it’s Fast and Furious or being lied to by the NSA, the American people are getting tired of assuming that an agency does one thing and then finding out that they’re abusing citizens, and in this case the mentally retarded.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; endthebleedingofusa; evilobamaregime; fastandfurious; guncontrol; impeachobama
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a convenience store and not an agency of the central communist government!

The largest arms dealer in the history of the world .... the US government.... wants to deny its own citizens those same rights. The government is too big and to opaque to the people it was meant to govern. Cut it down by at least half and get back to our roots. Lets sell some t-shirts and other paraphernalia with, "Shock The World! We're taking America BACK!"

1 posted on 01/14/2014 10:16:21 AM PST by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen
because they hate guns so much

Aww.. com'mon - they don't hate guns, they hate Americans.

2 posted on 01/14/2014 10:21:41 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: IbJensen
Is The ATF Using Tactics Akin To Fast And Furious At Home To Undermine Gun Rights?

Probably. Why wouldn't they? For the last 5+ years they've been given free reign to do whatever they want

3 posted on 01/14/2014 10:23:57 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: IbJensen

“Did you really think we want those laws observed?”
said Dr. Ferris. “We want them to be broken. You’d
better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy
scouts you’re up against... We’re after power and we
mean it... There’s no way to rule innocent men. The
only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t
enough criminals one makes them. One declares so
many things to be a crime that it becomes
impossible for men to live without breaking laws.
Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s
there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or
objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of
law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now
that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game,
and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to
deal with.”

- Ayn Rand, 1957 -


4 posted on 01/14/2014 10:24:47 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: IbJensen
Is there a mustache in Mexico?
5 posted on 01/14/2014 10:25:18 AM PST by sport
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To: IbJensen

It seems to me that one could have some great fun if on were inclined to feign mental illness in the presence of some ATF agents...


6 posted on 01/14/2014 10:26:58 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: IbJensen

Project gangwalker.

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7 posted on 01/14/2014 10:29:36 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: IbJensen

Quick Darrell, fire off another letter and this time tell him you are really, really mad. Richest man in Congress is either an idiot or traitor.


8 posted on 01/14/2014 10:29:54 AM PST by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: grobdriver

You are correct. The Obamites don’t hate guns. They love guns.

What they hate is guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens.


9 posted on 01/14/2014 10:30:42 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: WayneS

oops.

...if one were inclined...


10 posted on 01/14/2014 10:31:52 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: itsahoot

You make an excellent point. Mr. Issa is very good at making dramatic pronouncements but so far he’s been pretty ineffectual in putting together a plan to bring the criminals at BATFE to justice.


11 posted on 01/14/2014 10:37:36 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: IbJensen


12 posted on 01/14/2014 10:39:06 AM PST by Iron Munro (Orwell: There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.)
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To: IbJensen
your wish


13 posted on 01/14/2014 10:50:24 AM PST by MeshugeMikey (This Message NOT Approved By The N.S.A.)
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To: grobdriver

They hate it b/c YOU can have them.


14 posted on 01/14/2014 10:54:23 AM PST by 556x45
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To: WayneS

Bread and Circuses


15 posted on 01/14/2014 10:56:52 AM PST by DeWalt (Times are more like they used to be than they are today.)
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To: IbJensen
A bit off-topic, but...

WTF has Issa/the Rebubs actually done since 2011? I can't think of one Dem brought to justice, one Obama outrage corrected, one scandal punished. Demoralizing. Where is our single-minded joy of scorched earth fighting that Dems enjoy? The simple fact is that most battles fought without passion are lost. Where are the Repubs that will tell the Rancid Media reporters to go have sex with themselves? Why has the greatest press freedom ever seen been a force for muzzling opposing opinions?

16 posted on 01/14/2014 10:57:23 AM PST by pabianice (LINE)
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To: MeshugeMikey

My lifelong dream is to own such a store.


17 posted on 01/14/2014 11:10:21 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: MeshugeMikey

Good one!


18 posted on 01/14/2014 11:12:58 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Iron Munro

I, too, am just left speechless by the bone-headed audacity of these monkeys.


19 posted on 01/14/2014 11:14:00 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: itsahoot

He talks a lot, like many Republicrats, but doesn’t accomplish a damned thing.


20 posted on 01/14/2014 11:14:48 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: DeWalt

Indeed.


21 posted on 01/14/2014 11:19:40 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: IbJensen

Alcohol is legal.
Tobacco is legal.
Guns are legal.

Why do we need a Federal agency to monitor the use of three legal commodities?

Disband the ATF.

Make it retroactive.


22 posted on 01/14/2014 11:20:11 AM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Do they have a revolving charge account?


23 posted on 01/14/2014 11:21:44 AM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: WayneS

“feign mental illness”

They would use that as proof you are mental; no guns.

I don’t even joke about taking meds these days.


24 posted on 01/14/2014 12:15:56 PM PST by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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To: LucianOfSamasota
Why do we need a Federal agency to monitor the use of three legal commodities?

The reason you have to ask this is that you are making the mistake that so many in this country are still making, despite all the evidence to the contrary: you are assuming that the people in charge trying to do what benefits the country. They are not. They are simply trying to gain totalitarian control over all of us and enrich themselves while they do it. That is all.

It's like the old libertarian maxim (the real libertarian philosophy, not the current BS) "If you assume that all members of Congress, the Executive Branch and the judiciary are a bunch of lying thieves, all else logically falls into place."
25 posted on 01/14/2014 12:55:42 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: IbJensen

Its hard to believe that Satan’s right hand boy (barry) can find so many evil minions to do his work for him.


26 posted on 01/14/2014 1:24:15 PM PST by Old Yeller
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To: Old Yeller

Rand was a visionary.


27 posted on 01/14/2014 4:27:40 PM PST by bicyclerepair (TERM LIMITS TERM LIMITS TERM LIMITS)
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To: IbJensen
Read Matt Bracken Books

I, too, am just left speechless by the bone-headed audacity of these monkeys.

There are reasons why they're called "F Troop".


28 posted on 01/14/2014 4:35:12 PM PST by Iron Munro (Orwell: There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.)
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To: WayneS
this would be the ideal time..to get launch such a franchise...!!


29 posted on 01/14/2014 5:28:15 PM PST by MeshugeMikey (This Message NOT Approved By The N.S.A.)
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