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Fukushima vs Chernobyl vs Three Mile Island
Skeptoid.com ^ | 1/14/2014 | Brian Dunning

Posted on 01/14/2014 11:48:26 AM PST by dirtboy

In March of 2011, an undersea earthquake sent tsunamis thundering across Japan, killing nearly 20,000 people and creating the most expensive natural disaster in history. Among the casualities was the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant, which was almost completely submerged by the tsunamis; an unprecedented event. Power was lost (obviously), cooling systems stopped, and the net result was a complete meltdown of three of the plant's reactor cores. It was a perfect storm of worst case scenarios. And now, even years afterward, some are calling it a worldwide radiation disaster, worse than even Chernobyl, that will produce a staggering death count for decades or even centuries. Today we're going to evaluate these assertions and see if we can separate fact from fiction.

With the shocking end-of-the-world-scenario headlines — such as "Your Days of Eating Pacific Ocean Fish Are Over" and "28 Signs That The West Coast Is Being Absolutely Fried With Nuclear Radiation From Fukushima" — either Fukushima was the worst environmental disaster ever, or some of the worst misinformation ever is being trumpeted. To find out which, we'll put it into context with the two other best known nuclear disasters: the 1986 explosion of a reactor at the Chernobyl plant in the Ukraine, and the 1979 partial meltdown of a reactor at the Three Mile Island plant in Pennsylvania.

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Our planet's entropy has, long ago, already rid itself of any credible threat from the Fukushima radiation, outside of the immediate evacuation zone. Fishing has long been suspended from Daiichi's vicinity, so there is no way that eating a legally caught fish can give you any significant Fukushima radiation.

The Fukushima disaster will probably end up being the most expensive industrial accident and cleanup in history, but it has certainly not been among the most dangerous, thanks largely to Japan's prompt action. The newest World Health Organization assessment concludes:

...No discernible increase in health risks from the Fukushima event is expected outside Japan. With respect to Japan, this assessment estimates that the lifetime risk for some cancers may be somewhat elevated above baseline rates in certain age and sex groups that were in the areas most affected.

Clearly it wasn't good, but if you want to be able to develop proper response plans, you have to understand the correct facts about the situation. Absurdly exaggerated and sensationalized reports do not help anyone; rather they increase confusion, and decrease our ability to respond to such events appropriately.


TOPICS: Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: energy; nuclear
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1 posted on 01/14/2014 11:48:26 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

The reactor at TMI didn’t partially meltdown. The core ended up as rubble. The vessel itself held.


2 posted on 01/14/2014 11:52:55 AM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: dirtboy

Time for some serious investment in fusion research. Fusion is a lot safer. And wind and solar are only token efforts with very questionable results.

Besides, if we are all going to be driving around in electric cars, then we need a massively upgrade to our power grid and production plants.


3 posted on 01/14/2014 11:57:30 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: dirtboy

Good article.


4 posted on 01/14/2014 12:08:46 PM PST by kidd
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To: dirtboy

Thanks for posting that!


5 posted on 01/14/2014 12:10:55 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: dirtboy
Yeah, well, this is all well and good. But....

I am so screwed.

6 posted on 01/14/2014 12:11:16 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

Great read!


7 posted on 01/14/2014 12:22:22 PM PST by Heavyrunner (Socialize this.)
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To: dhs12345

Thorium reactors are also a good alternative.


8 posted on 01/14/2014 12:28:00 PM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: kidd

Somehow, we remember Hiroshima of 1945 and not the thriving metropolis it is now, After all, if you listen to all the talking heads, no one could be living there for 10,000 years yet.


9 posted on 01/14/2014 12:28:32 PM PST by pfflier
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To: dirtboy

“..: the 1986 explosion of a reactor at the Chernobyl plant in the Ukraine,..”

I stopped reading right there. That statement is false: the Chernobyl reactor never “exploded”. It was steam lines that exploded and destroyed the reactor vessel.

My father was a nuclear engineer and he had a copy of the government (USA) report which I read. Those men who ordered the test of the steam system, operating it beyond its safety standards, were executed by the Russian government.

By the way, thank you for posting this article. There are “intervenors” who, no matter how silly they appear in the end, are trying to disrupt and/or stop energy production in the USA. They get articles out to the public, which doesn’t know anything about nuclear power, and basically lie about it.

It doesn’t matter whether the subject is about nuclear plants or not. They pursue a vast array of other energy issues: LNG shipments, petroleum pipelines, nuclear development, coal production and coal power plants - they are basically communists, pretending to be environmentalists who hate America and will go to any lengths except putting themselves in harm’s way, to destroy this nation.


10 posted on 01/14/2014 12:32:40 PM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: dhs12345
Time for some serious investment in fusion research. Fusion is a lot safer.

I was assured by some of the top PhD's at Princeton University fusion labs that commercial fusion power is only 5 or 10 years away. Of course, that was 40 years ago they assured me of that. ;~))

I think you could pump the entire global GDP at fusion research, and you will get no closer to a solution. There are just too many fundamental areas we do not yet understand. Maybe someday, but I would not include fusion power among any foreseeable options. Certainly worth investigating, but it not something we should bet the farm on.

And I'd add, until we figure out how to do it, we have no idea if it would be safer.

11 posted on 01/14/2014 12:48:16 PM PST by Ditto
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To: Count of Monte Fisto
Thorium reactors are also a good alternative.

How do you know that? What is their operating experience?

12 posted on 01/14/2014 12:49:24 PM PST by Ditto
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To: Ditto

Keanu Reeves already did it...


13 posted on 01/14/2014 12:52:54 PM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: SatinDoll

Yes it did. Look at the pics.


14 posted on 01/14/2014 12:53:50 PM PST by DownInFlames
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To: dhs12345

>>Fusion is a lot safer.

Hard to say about something that doesn’t exist.

Theoretically it might be. Practically, once such a thing exists, it might not be.


15 posted on 01/14/2014 1:02:44 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: DownInFlames

The steam lines ruptured, destroyed the reactor and pulverized the fuel. This caused plutonium particles to form in the steam rising from the ruins. Later, when the coolant (which was flammable) caught on fire, plutonium particle were part of smoke.

Be careful reading Wikipedia. They are not 100% accurate on this subject.

The fuel used in power plants will not explode. It will become very hot due to loss of coolant, causing other things to happen, but it will not explode.


16 posted on 01/14/2014 1:03:14 PM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: SatinDoll
They get articles out to the public, which doesn’t know anything about nuclear power, and basically lie about it.

Here are some examples for you.

If you smile radiation wont harm you.
All the nuclear contamination is confined to the harbor.
Fukushima did not suffer a meltdown.
Okay well if it was a meltdown it was only partial.
Okay well if it was a significant meltdown it still did not breach the RPV.

Blah, blah, blah. Nothing but lies from the nuclear crowd so far. When, if ever, will they stop ? And I was sitting on the fence, in a neutral position, before they started the Fukushima lie train.

17 posted on 01/14/2014 1:04:37 PM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: dirtboy
Fishing has long been suspended from Daiichi's vicinity, so there is no way that eating a legally caught fish can give you any significant Fukushima radiation.

Obviously this idiot never held a fishing pole with a greater then 50 lb tuna on the line.

18 posted on 01/14/2014 1:06:54 PM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: SatinDoll

The coolant at Chernobyl did not catch on fire, as the coolant was steam. Rather, it was the graphite moderator that burned. In a thermal reactor, which includes almost all of the operating power reactors (there might be a couple of fast reactors out there), the moderator slows down the neutrons. While a uranium (or plutonium) atom fissions, the emitted neutrons are moving at extremely high speeds and must be slowed down if they are to cause additional fissions and sustain the chain reaction.

In pressurized water reactors (such as Three-Mile Island) and boiling water reactors (such as Fukashima), water acts as both the coolant and the moderator. In an RMBK reactor, such as Chernobyl, graphite is the moderator and steam is the coolant. Almost all of the operating power reactors in the world are either pressurized water reactors or boiling water reactors.


19 posted on 01/14/2014 1:26:08 PM PST by bagman
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To: dhs12345

Back in the 1970s, my advisor in grad school said that we would need 20/20 vision to see a functioning fusion (tokamak) reactor, by which he meant it might happen by the year 2020. Well, we are almost to 2020 and we really haven’t made any progress on some the formidable engineering problems since my advisor made that statement.

BTW, at the time, his PhD thesis was one of the most widely cited papers on tokamaks.


20 posted on 01/14/2014 1:32:59 PM PST by bagman
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