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Washington one of top states in health care enrollment
komonews.com ^ | Jan 13, 2014 | DONNA GORDON BLANKINSHIP

Posted on 01/14/2014 3:44:35 PM PST by steve86

Edited on 01/14/2014 3:48:41 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

SEATTLE (AP) - Washington state signed up more people for health insurance than all but a handful of states during the first few months of enrollment under the health care overhaul.

According to a new federal report released Monday, only California, Michigan, North Carolina, New York and Texas have signed up more people up for health insurance since Oct. 1. All of those states have larger populations than Washington.


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Most of the usual questions, such as "How many were Medicaid?" and "How many have paid?" are answered in the article.
1 posted on 01/14/2014 3:44:35 PM PST by steve86
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To: steve86
More than 71,000 people have signed up for private insurance through Washington's new health care exchange. Another 72,000 will be enrolled after they complete payment on their insurance. The Washington exchange had a goal of getting 130,000 people into private insurance plans by Jan. 1.

The total number of people either buying private insurance or enrolling in free insurance through Medicaid is now more than 248,000. More than 121,000 of those signing up are newly eligible for the expanded Medicaid.


2 posted on 01/14/2014 3:50:27 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: steve86

The Parasite Class has a new host body to suck the life out of.


3 posted on 01/14/2014 3:58:08 PM PST by digger48
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To: steve86

That’s what happens when you legalize marijuana.


4 posted on 01/14/2014 4:10:20 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Where are Holder's "po folks" getting the I.D.s to sign up for ObamaCare?)
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To: steve86

I’m one of them. I’m in WA. Last year I had a blue cross policy that was fine... A bit more than I would’ve liked but it was a good policy that got me the stuff I wanted. It was killed by Obamacare. I was forced onto the state exchange and after going through the website was only given ONE option: AppleCare (Medicaid).

I am voluntarily semi-retired. I am not working but I’m not looking either. I’m in my early 50s. My last job of over 22 years left me reasonably well off. I can easily afford not to work for the foreseeable future. I have no debt. My home is paid for. I have a significant portfolio that’s performing nicely. What I don’t have right now is much actual income. That was the only question I was asked. I didn’t lie... Perhaps I should have.

But now I have free “insurance”. I wasn’t given a choice. I don’t like it. I’m embarrassed by the whole thing. But there it is.


5 posted on 01/14/2014 4:21:45 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Baynative

For your Washington state ping list.


6 posted on 01/14/2014 4:22:26 PM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: Ramius

Well...the government is destroying health care insurance....you took one of the options...just HOPE you can really get “care.”


7 posted on 01/14/2014 4:24:56 PM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: Ramius

That is what I understand as well. Most of our (Washington’s) enrollment is medicaid. Some enrollment success. Enslee is really bragging about it.


8 posted on 01/14/2014 4:29:29 PM PST by Parmy
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To: goodnesswins
Well...the government is destroying health care insurance....you took one of the options...just HOPE you can really get “care.”

What I'm planning to do is if I really need some healthcare and can't get it (I'm pretty healthy and haven't needed any actual healthcare in many years) is that I'll just pay for it myself. We'll see.

9 posted on 01/14/2014 4:36:47 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: steve86

Great! Texas has hundreds of thousands of illegals we’ll be happy to send you so they can sign up, too. And by the way, states will wind up paying for all this “free health care” eventually. That’s always the way it turns out.


10 posted on 01/14/2014 4:54:11 PM PST by txrefugee
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To: Ramius
I understand your income is below the 133% or 138% minimum level for elgibility to purchase a subsidized exchange policy. Don't feel too bad; mine is as well. So your only options are Expanded Medicaid or purchase of a non-exchange commercial policy. The latter option is probably only feasible if you have substantial savings.

I have a significant portfolio that’s performing nicely.

If you really want out of EM and onto a subsidized exchange policy, just take some profits (but not TOO much) and enroll in the exchange by March. Capital gains ARE counted (IRS rules).

11 posted on 01/14/2014 5:00:31 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: txrefugee

Washington State has always been pretty good about screening illegal adults out of Medicaid and Basic Health (former state-subsidized plan).


12 posted on 01/14/2014 5:02:28 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

The pot stores don’t open until June at the earliest but thanks for the thought.


13 posted on 01/14/2014 5:04:29 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: steve86

Where I live there are pot stores on just about every block. I guess with their green cross symbol, they are technically medical marijuana stores, though. I imagine they will sell recreational pot once the deadline rolls around.


14 posted on 01/14/2014 5:13:16 PM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: steve86
Hmmmm. Somebody must be selling it.
15 posted on 01/14/2014 5:14:06 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Where are Holder's "po folks" getting the I.D.s to sign up for ObamaCare?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

It’s really easy to get a medical marijuana card here.


16 posted on 01/14/2014 5:17:23 PM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: ConjunctionJunction

Yes, I’ve heard many will be converting, but I think the location requirements are different and more stringent. I have personally never seen a medical marijuana store so clearly am in a different neighborhood.


17 posted on 01/14/2014 5:19:00 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: ConjunctionJunction

I think that few, if any, of those at the Seattle Marijuana Festival were brandishing medical marijuana or legal marijuana of any kind.


18 posted on 01/14/2014 5:21:17 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: steve86
Look for signs that look similar to this:

I'm seeing them all over the place now.

19 posted on 01/14/2014 5:28:51 PM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: steve86

Technically, smoking it in public is illegal, but that isn’t stopping them.

:(


20 posted on 01/14/2014 5:29:56 PM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: ConjunctionJunction

We don’t have a single one in the Tri-Cities.

Possible there is or was one in Moses Lake.


21 posted on 01/14/2014 5:35:40 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: Ramius
I was forced onto the state exchange

Why didn't you buy another private policy?

22 posted on 01/14/2014 5:47:29 PM PST by what's up
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To: steve86
If you really want out of EM and onto a subsidized exchange policy, just take some profits (but not TOO much) and enroll in the exchange by March. Capital gains ARE counted (IRS rules).

But that's just it. I can have a fully state paid policy like Medicaid, or the alternative is a partially (or mostly) subsidized private policy... What, really, is the difference from a dependency point of view? The subsidy amount is probably about the same either way. And to think that I just last month had a policy of my own, with no subsidy, that was half the price of a similar blue cross policy now.

I am angry about this. I didn't even take unemployment when I was let go from my last job, even though I was eligible. I just couldn't do it. I can't take money from a program I don't believe should exist. Now I'm stuck being forced onto a welfare program against my will. I suppose one play would be to just drop insurance entirely and wait until I need healthcare. Since insurance companies are required now to accept pre-existing conditions I could just buy a policy then. But that too is taking unfair advantage of the coercive power of government. There's no way out that I've seen.

The only way out of an ambush is through it. I think the time has come to just bring the system down.

23 posted on 01/14/2014 5:52:39 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: ConjunctionJunction; Just Lori; Libertina; Lexinom; horatio; freebird5850; Horatio Gates; Ramius; ..
WA Ping

Not only is the state number one; my county is number one in the state. We will be on the market and looking for an exit before spring!

24 posted on 01/14/2014 5:53:52 PM PST by Baynative (Got bulbs? Check my profile page.)
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To: Ramius

If you are so philosophically opposed to subsidized health care, why don’t you take your profits and buy a full-price non-exchange policy instead of just whining about it?


25 posted on 01/14/2014 5:55:22 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: steve86

Being the Tri-Cities is one of the last bastions of conservatism in WA state it would shock me if a pot store opened up there. I’ll bet there’s one in Crackima (Yakima).


26 posted on 01/14/2014 5:55:28 PM PST by GoldwaterCountry (Viva Reagan Revolucion!)
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To: GoldwaterCountry

Right now all four cities (including West Richland) have moratoriums on pot sales but these will probably be challenged in court before year end.


27 posted on 01/14/2014 6:00:11 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: what's up
Why didn't you buy another private policy?

I may have explained some of the answer in a reply just above. My policy went from about $270/mo --which is already outrageous-- to a new post-Obamacare policy of over $550/mo. For worse coverage... Their "bronze" plan. I don't spend that much on food and bar-tabs combined. I live pretty frugally. I'm healthy. I currently, and for the last several years have had --zero-- healthcare expenditures, unless you count Gold Bold Medicated Powder and some Tinactin. If I paid for a private policy now, it would be subsidized anyway... And then probably for a similar amount to the cost of the welfare policy. It's a catch-22. So I'm screwed either way.

28 posted on 01/14/2014 6:22:19 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: steve86
If you are so philosophically opposed to subsidized health care, why don’t you take your profits and buy a full-price non-exchange policy instead of just whining about it?

Because that would be stupid.

29 posted on 01/14/2014 6:27:58 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: steve86
I have personally never seen a medical marijuana store so clearly am in a different neighborhood.

I pass the same number of medi-marijuana stores in the morning on my way to work as I do topless latte stands (i.e. three).

30 posted on 01/14/2014 8:56:20 PM PST by seowulf (Cogito cogito, ergo cogito sum. Cogito.---Ambrose Bierce)
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To: Baynative

You have to understand that they are counting the medicaid enrollees as Obamacare enrollees.

The average wage in much of WA is just over 550,000/yr, and the cap on Medicaid is $63,000. So, that should tell you what a mess we have in WA State.

On top of that, every person who was on Medicaid when Obamacare started, had to sign up again, as an Obamacare enrollee. So, they really played with the numbers and someone is going to have to pay for all those new Medicaid patients once the federal funds run out.

So, does that mean that the state isn’t paying for any Medicaid patients, that the feds are paying for all of WA Medicaid? There isn’t much clarity to all this.


31 posted on 01/14/2014 9:00:51 PM PST by Eva
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To: Eva
There are two kinds of Medicaid.

The “old” Medicaid, where costs are split roughly 50-50 between the states and the Feds.

And, “ObamaCare” Medicaid, which significantly expands the number of people eligible, and, where costs are split 10%-90% between states and the Feds.

The “old” Medicaid is not going away.

The states will stay have to pay 50-50 on ALL their "old" Medicaid policies.

However, there are millions of people, perhaps even tens of millions, who were always eligible for the “old” Medicaid, but they never applied.

If that group of people now applies, the states will have to pay 50% of those costs, too.

That is the reason many states refused to set up their own exchanges.

They could be on the hook for billions of dollars of unfunded “old” Medicaid costs.

32 posted on 01/15/2014 1:02:39 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen; Eva
'splain a little sumpin fer me, pleeze.

Are those who were eligible for the old medicaid but never signed up for anything going to be put on that program even if they think they are signing up for the new Mack Daddy freebie? It sounds like a shell game, or bait and switch. I'm not following how this works.

(But then, neither are most of the people writing the laws, it seems)

33 posted on 01/15/2014 8:31:18 AM PST by Baynative (Got bulbs? Check my profile page.)
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To: zeestephen

The old Medicaid eligible who never applied are not applying now, either. Of course that doesn’t mean that the someone at the state didn’t apply for them.

If the old Medicaid is still the same, why do the feds have to pay any of it and what is the difference between the old Medicaid and the new Medicaid, they are both free. WA now has a welfare society and Inslee is about to raise the minimum wage again, to go along with it. Why did all the old Medicaid people have to sign up again on-line?

The last that I read this was a big disaster because a good number of the real Medicaid recipients don’t have computers and don’t read the news.


34 posted on 01/15/2014 9:52:00 PM PST by Eva
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To: Eva
Eva,

I was not aware that people already in Medicaid had to sign up again, so I don't know what to say about that.

Eligibility requirements for the “old” Medicaid were much more strict than requirements for the new ObamaCare Medicaid.

Both those sets of requirements will stay in place when it comes to dividing up the cost between states and Feds.

People who would be eligible for the “old” Medicaid will cost states about 50-50, even if they sign up for the first time today.

35 posted on 01/16/2014 2:30:43 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: Baynative

People who would have qualified for the “old” Medicaid will still be signed up for Medicaid.

And, it will still be free.

But - the state will be charged the “old” cost, which is about 50% of the bill.

The people who qualify for the “new” Medicaid will also get it for free.

But - those people will cost the state just 0%-10% of the bill.

Many states are afraid that millions of people who will cost them 50% will sign up, which will destroy state budgets.


36 posted on 01/16/2014 2:43:53 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

Do you know how the distinction is made between the people who were previously qualified but not signed up and those signing up now?


37 posted on 01/16/2014 10:18:49 AM PST by Baynative (Got bulbs? Check my profile page.)
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To: zeestephen

Evidently, there isn’t any “old” Medicaid. There was a big problem that was announced in December because those “old” Medicaid enrollees did not know that they had to reapply online with the exchanges. They announced that there was a big problem because the Medicaid enrollees were used to filing a paper application annually at that time and were still waiting for the paper application to come in the mail.

Think about it, why should people who were qualified for Medicaid under the old system, but had never applied, be eligible for full federal subsidy, but the old Medicaid enrollees, only half federal subsidy. Medicaid is not insurance and the service is not the same. No one ever yearns for Medicaid coverage, they work to get off of it.


38 posted on 01/16/2014 10:49:47 AM PST by Eva
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To: ConjunctionJunction

Did you know that marijuana can be used in e-cigs? They also have specialized divides that vaporize the marijuana so that no can tell that you are using. They even have one that looks like an asthma inhaler and others that are decorated. These devices are pretty pricey, but so are the regular e-cigs. They are very big with the Hollywood set and other celebrities.


39 posted on 01/16/2014 10:57:47 AM PST by Eva
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To: Eva

I did not know that.


40 posted on 01/16/2014 11:23:53 AM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: ConjunctionJunction

Rush doesn’t seem to know it either, but there has been articles in the WSJ about the devices. That is the real reason for the push against the e-cigs. I think that they vaporize a tch paste. Actually, you can put anything in there that you want and vaporize it.

They have also come up with a type that supposedly eliminates the high and can be used medicinally. It seems to be particularly effective for children with severe epilepsy. Somehow, the marijuana works to prevent the seizures. So, it is obvious from that marijuana does have some affect on the brain.


41 posted on 01/16/2014 11:43:54 AM PST by Eva
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To: Baynative

Anyone who makes less than $63,000 (family income) is automatically put on Medicaid. There is no choice and that pun was unintended. The only other option would be a private plan at a higher cost.

The difference will be the doctors and the hospitals. Where we live, that isn’t too bad because we don’t have a choice of hospitals anyway. The conflict is going to come in when you need an out of area specialist, or a specialist, period. For instance we are seeing more and more general practitioners doing obstetrics.


42 posted on 01/16/2014 12:00:31 PM PST by Eva
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To: Eva

Learn something new every day! Thanks!


43 posted on 01/16/2014 1:02:24 PM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: ConjunctionJunction
The upper annual AGI income limits in order to qualify for Expanded Medicaid:

Individual: $15,500
Family of Four: $33,500

Two and three lie between

44 posted on 01/16/2014 1:06:57 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: steve86

Sorry, $15,856 is the exact limit for individual in Washington State


45 posted on 01/16/2014 1:08:52 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: steve86

I made two good decisions for my life. Actually the first was an outstanding decision, that was accepting the Lord Jesus Christ as my Savior. The other decision, while WAAAAAYYYYY down the list, but never the less, second best decision of my life was - - - - PACKING UP AND LEAVING STINKING WASHINGTON STATE BACK IN 2006. Lived there behind enemy lines for 14 years. The most horrible, worst, years of my life. Yeah Alabama, I am home now!!!


46 posted on 01/16/2014 1:13:31 PM PST by RetiredArmy (I am proud to be a Christian and follower of my Lord Jesus Christ. Time is short for U to know Him!)
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To: RetiredArmy

I am in distant southeastern Washington which is about as far as you can get culturally from the Puget Sound region.


47 posted on 01/16/2014 1:17:10 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: steve86

This is a useful pdf from medicaid.gov that show Medicaid and CHIP eligibility based on FPL for all states for children, adults, pregnant women.

http://www.medicaid.gov/AffordableCareAct/Medicaid-Moving-Forward-2014/Downloads/Medicaid-and-CHIP-Eligibility-Levels-Table.pdf


48 posted on 01/16/2014 1:20:23 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: ConjunctionJunction

Sorry, I did not mean to reply to you earlier. Compounding the problem here.


49 posted on 01/16/2014 1:21:27 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: steve86

No problem!


50 posted on 01/16/2014 1:57:44 PM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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