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Court ruling overturns Net Neutrality, threatens online access, experts warn
FoxNews.com ^ | Published January 14, 2014 | Fox News Staff

Posted on 01/14/2014 11:12:55 PM PST by KTM rider

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To: Pontiac

It may be hard to believe, but the airlines we deregulated in 1978. It was a broadly bipartisan vote, and Carter signed it.


21 posted on 01/15/2014 12:15:58 AM PST by Wayne07
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To: KTM rider

this whole issue is a phoney problem.

bandwidth hogs like youtube
expect to get the same priority as email.

but youtube needs 100000X as much bandwidth.


22 posted on 01/15/2014 12:17:40 AM PST by RockyTx
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
So if Comcast chooses to prioritize their own pay-per-view service at Netflix's expense, I can either deal with limited bandwidth for my Netflix viewing or I can switch to Comcast's own service.

If Comcast tries something like that you still have options.

You can get with other members of your community and solicit other providers to come to your community to provide competition.

If you community has is one that contracts with Comcast that gives them a monopoly on providing service to your area petition your community leaders to pressure Comcast not to prioritize their own PPV service. If they do not relent your community can contract to another ISP.

My home town has had at least 3 cable service providers that I can think of in the last 40 years. Your area is not stuck with Comcast. If you don’t like them get involved and get rid of them.

23 posted on 01/15/2014 12:22:58 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: RockyTx

The issue isn’t Youtube versus email, it is YouTube versus Breitbart. Google can pay whatever extortion Comcast or Verizon demands to carry Youtube, but Comcast and Verizon could probably squeeze Breitbart or RedState or any other uppity small company out of business given the chance.


24 posted on 01/15/2014 12:25:08 AM PST by Wayne07
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To: Pontiac

The top 5 ISP’s control 65% of the US market. That’s Comcast, Time Warner, SBC, Verizon, and Cox. To say people have a choice is deeply disingenuous. Because of the build out cost, and control local government asserts, competition is pretty much dead. There is just consolidation at this point. The last time there was real competition was during the DSL heyday, but notice how the big telcos were able to kill the competition by blocking the smaller companies using their lines.


25 posted on 01/15/2014 12:38:02 AM PST by Wayne07
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To: MrShoop
and control local government asserts,

Don’t forget that you control the local government.

It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men. Samuel Adams ...

I personally would rather have a corporation be in control of the internet than have the FCC deciding what goes on with the internet.

Once the FCC has the power to issue regulation governing the internet you will see a deluge of regulations similar to what we have with the EPA.

26 posted on 01/15/2014 1:09:31 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac
If Comcast tries something like that you still have options.

You can get with other members of your community and solicit other providers to come to your community to provide competition.


I can certainly try, and I will not succeed for the following reason: other providers must pay to establish the infrastructure to provide this competition, and the cost is prohibitively expensive. Companies like Verizon have stopped rolling out broadband fiber because their stocks take a beating when they make such investments, and cable is effectively a monopoly in 98% of the US because the cost of laying new cable is too high for any competition to form.

80% of the US gets it's Internet via Comcast cable or Time-Warner cable. That's not because we love them - it's because we have no choice. And that's the way it'll stay - the two companies are well connected to both political parties in Washington - Comcast's CEO is one of Obama's golfing pals on his Martha's Vineyard trips. And why on earth would Comcast or Time-Warner want to help Netflix or Hulu or Amazon sell you TV content at $8/month over their cable Internet service when Comcast and Time-Warner sell TV content themselves for 10 times that amount?
27 posted on 01/15/2014 1:37:57 AM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: KTM rider

Good! Folks will pay what content is worth. Smart purveyors will maintain free access...like Amazon, eg. And a lot of dreck may go *poof*. Cuz Aadvertizers will pull ads from sites that absolutely no one will open.
Free market is good. I’m for it. As of now....with what I understand of it.


28 posted on 01/15/2014 1:58:58 AM PST by dasboot
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To: Pontiac
If a ISP puts limitations on what you do with your internet service you simply go to another provider.

How many providers go by your house?

If there was ever an argument for government regulation, it should be that internet service providers provide internet service. PERIOD.

ISPs are the modern equivalent of the "common carrier". In return for the physical monopoly they enjoy, they must be required to provide equal access to any and all sources of carriable information.

I've always hated telcos, just behind the gubmint.

29 posted on 01/15/2014 2:00:01 AM PST by cynwoody
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How many providers go by your house?

Two, but the technology exist for a third.

The technology exist for electric companies to provide Internet Service of power lines.

How Broadband Over Powerlines Works

Regulations should always be the last resort.

30 posted on 01/15/2014 2:22:54 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: KTM rider

There was some virtue to the equality paradigm.

However, if this is just traffic based, FR has little to fear. It’s very texty (at least as far as its main server hosted content is concerned) at a time when everyone and their aunt and uncle have splurged on graphics.

I understand there also is a lot of dark fiber out there.

Price competition will very likely, as before, help sort the issue out. Someone wants to tax You Tube, they either need to make up for it with a lower fee basic package, or lose business.


31 posted on 01/15/2014 2:54:20 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: cynwoody

I am sitting here using a Clearmodem, and the cable company that serves the apartment where I am (digging out from a financial crash, I’m not as well off in pecuniary terms as a decade ago) has an offering, and so does the phone company. By land, sea, and air figuratively speaking.

I could see some kind of interim provision that things be kept neutral for people that only one provider will serve.


32 posted on 01/15/2014 2:58:14 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: KTM rider

I thought this decision was freeing?


33 posted on 01/15/2014 3:51:52 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Pontiac

Well over 70% of the US population has NO competition for high speed internet service providers able to maintain high speed streaming.

QUOTE:
“[For] at least 77 percent of the country, your only choice for a high-capacity, high-speed Internet connection is your local cable monopoly,” says Susan Crawford, a visiting professor at Harvard Law School.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2014/01/12/261924972/internet-in-america-an-on-again-off-again-relationship


There is no doubt websites like FR are going to be systematically crushed by middle and upper management at the cable company monopolies. It will take time, but there is no doubt there will be outright supression of civic speech.


34 posted on 01/15/2014 4:08:31 AM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: cynwoody

There are satilite companies.


35 posted on 01/15/2014 4:10:11 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: KTM rider
Tea Party groups out against net neutrality

http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/114101-tea-party-groups-come-out-against-net-neutrality
“...Radke said the Tea Party opposition to net neutrality stems from concerns over increased government power.

“I think the clearest thing is it’s an affront to free speech and free markets,” she said.

She said more Tea Party groups plan to make time to focus on net neutrality ahead of the midterm elections.

...”

36 posted on 01/15/2014 4:44:47 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: jimsin; Pontiac

If you’re gonna talk about a poster on FR, please have the courtesy to ping Him/her. I know I would appreciate it.

CC


37 posted on 01/15/2014 4:50:17 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: FR_addict

The talking heads on CNBC were just discussing this. The NYT guy and Walter Issacson (former CNN prez) think “net neutrality” is a very good idea.

If they’re for it, I’m against it.

period.


38 posted on 01/15/2014 4:52:25 AM PST by abb
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To: KTM rider







I am an expert and I am here to help tax you







39 posted on 01/15/2014 4:58:42 AM PST by devolve ("He's just 'too talented' to do what 'ordinary people' do." "Barry of Bungle" "Homo Electus")
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To: KTM rider

"If you like your freedom of speech,
you can keep your freedom of speech.
Period!"

40 posted on 01/15/2014 5:25:00 AM PST by Old Sarge (TINVOWOOT: There Is No Voting Our Way Out Of This)
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