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Accused Movie Theater Shooter Said He Was 'In Fear of Being Attacked'
Yahoo News/Good Morning America ^ | STEVE OSUNSAMI, SENI TIENABESO and COLLEEN CURRY (GMA)

Posted on 01/15/2014 5:09:04 AM PST by Anton.Rutter

Edited on 01/15/2014 6:21:09 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

The elderly man accused of shooting a movie theater patron in Florida after an argument over text messaging told police that he fired because he "was in fear of being attacked."

Pasco County Sheriff Chris Nocco said at a news conference today that the victim, Chad Oulson, 43, was texting his young daughter's babysitter when an argument erupted with Reeves over texting during previews before the movie "Lone Survivor."


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: assaultpopcorn; banglist; curtisreeves; dontyouknowwhoiam; donutwatch; elderly; floriduh; murder; ohyeahmakeme; respectmyauthority
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To: Anton.Rutter

Did the shooter really go to the manager, or did he go to the car to get his gun?
Premeditation is important here. However, even an old SWAT officer ought not to have been in “fear of his life” from an attack by popcorn.


2 posted on 01/15/2014 5:12:35 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Anton.Rutter
The sheriff said Reeves' gun jammed after the first and only shot was fired.

Thank God it did, or else a three year old girl might have lost both her parents, let alone threatened the life of the off duty sheriff's deputy that subdued him.

3 posted on 01/15/2014 5:13:10 AM PST by Anton.Rutter
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To: Anton.Rutter

The jackboot lickers, the badge lickers, and the cop worshipers will be along shortly to defend the killer and call you a cop hater.


4 posted on 01/15/2014 5:13:21 AM PST by sport
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To: Anton.Rutter

Regardless of this guy’s guilt or innocence, the media has already convicted him because he carries a pistol. To them, he’s just another Zimmerman. Just another pool of blood that the media and the antis (one and the same) can dance in to advance their agenda.


5 posted on 01/15/2014 5:13:35 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Anton.Rutter

Anyone heard anything about this Reeves guy? He must’ve lawyered up in a hurry ...


6 posted on 01/15/2014 5:14:46 AM PST by Ken522
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To: Anton.Rutter
Right. Because a bucket of popcorn thrown in one's direction requires a lethal response.

This is the kind of thing that the liberal left is going to point to and say "See! Conceal/Carry laws are dangerous and must be repealed!"

7 posted on 01/15/2014 5:16:46 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: backwoods-engineer

I think he’s more to blame for his elitist attitude for being an ex-cop than he is for the instrument through which he punished someone else for not recognizing his elite status.


8 posted on 01/15/2014 5:17:23 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Anton.Rutter

NOBODY is asking about the one thing we don’t know. Did the off-duty cop have and use a weapon to subdue the retired cop?


9 posted on 01/15/2014 5:18:17 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Anton.Rutter
text messaging during the movie previews

Dreadful!

10 posted on 01/15/2014 5:19:11 AM PST by Tax-chick (Tell the mad chameleon he's not welcome anymore.)
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To: Anton.Rutter
"I can't believe people would bring a pistol, a gun, to a movie," Cummings said.

Right. Because no one's ever been killed in a mass homicide in Colorado while attending a movie.

The stupidity coming from both sides of this one has reached new lows.

I'm just wondering when I'm going to need a permit to conceal/carry popcorn. That's what's gonna happen when the liberal left gets done with this one.......

11 posted on 01/15/2014 5:20:07 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Anton.Rutter

‘In Fear of Being Attacked’

The classic line a cop uses as the free get-out-of-jail card!


12 posted on 01/15/2014 5:20:26 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Tax-chick

He has no doubt gone to the special hell.


13 posted on 01/15/2014 5:21:55 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: usconservative

No, STUPID old STILL power hungry EX-COPS are dangerous and must be repealed.

Good Lord, My Uncle has to be spinning in His grave.

If this idiot had been on His PD even retired he would have still gotten an earful from My Uncle.


14 posted on 01/15/2014 5:24:33 AM PST by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: Sherman Logan
the special hell

Where it's always commercials and the feature never begins, and the line for the bathroom never progresses ...

15 posted on 01/15/2014 5:24:56 AM PST by Tax-chick (Tell the mad chameleon he's not welcome anymore.)
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To: usconservative

If they had a Gunfree zone at the theatre, this goofball still would have been armed because he was a cop and therefore above the law.
If someone saw him armed and called the police, the cops would have told him it was ok, laughed at a inside joke and went about their business.


16 posted on 01/15/2014 5:24:59 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: txrefugee

Prayers up for Mrs. Oulson.


17 posted on 01/15/2014 5:25:35 AM PST by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: usconservative
a bucket of popcorn thrown in one's direction requires a lethal response

Thowing stuff at a victim is sometimes a technique to distract the victim's attention long enough for you to hit the victim with your fist or a weapon.

18 posted on 01/15/2014 5:25:46 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Anton.Rutter

That the wife’s hand was shot shielding her husband is not a compelling argument to me. Seems more logical that she was attempting to restrain him.


19 posted on 01/15/2014 5:26:53 AM PST by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too... @Onelifetogive)
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To: Age of Reason
Thowing stuff at a victim is sometimes a technique to distract the victim's attention long enough for you to hit the victim with your fist or a weapon.

I'd think that since you and I are aware of that, a 71 year old retired cop would also be aware of that and still used better discretion than he did.

20 posted on 01/15/2014 5:28:25 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Anton.Rutter
I think that he killed him in a fit of rage because the peasant had the gall to defy him, a lord of the universe, a/k/a cop, albeit, retired when he ordered him to stop texting.

As far as him being annoyed by the texting goes, all he had to do was move to another seat, but no, he wanted to demonstrate his authority like back when he was a policeman.

If the textor had violated any law[s] previously, there was an off duty Deputy in the audience with the authority to arrest him. He took no action. That, in and of itself, says that the victim violated no laws. Now the cover and getting him off begins.

21 posted on 01/15/2014 5:29:34 AM PST by sport
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To: Anton.Rutter
Who would ever sit behind a couple with a toddler in a movie theater? And a rude couple, no less, texting after the movie started.

He should've done what all movie goers have to do on occasion...change seats.

22 posted on 01/15/2014 5:29:57 AM PST by grania
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To: Anton.Rutter

This is NOT even close to the “poor little st. trayvon” case.

This is MURDER.

Plain and simple.

I have not seen where the Manager confirms any contact.

This EX-PIG went to the car and got the gun, came back and Murdered this Man.

Good thing it was just the Previews and not the Movie or he might have brought back a LAWS Rocket!


23 posted on 01/15/2014 5:30:13 AM PST by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: MrB

I agree.


24 posted on 01/15/2014 5:31:03 AM PST by sport
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To: sport

Never mind that he was a cop: whatever happened to respecting one’s elders?


25 posted on 01/15/2014 5:31:40 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: txrefugee

I would like to know the opinion of the past character of that shooter from officers that worked for or with him on the police department. I am sure that it would be very interesting.

I have not been to a movie theater in years since I have a big screen TV, Netflix, DISH and Amazon movies.


26 posted on 01/15/2014 5:31:48 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

There’s really no reason to subject yourself to the “theater experience”.


27 posted on 01/15/2014 5:32:33 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Tax-chick

Imagine the wife. For the rest of her life she’s going to look at the scar from the bullet that passed through her hand and made her a widow. The little girl will grow up looking at the scar on her momma’s hand because that’s all she has to remember her father.

If the wife decides to carry, I want to contribute.


28 posted on 01/15/2014 5:38:06 AM PST by Anton.Rutter
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To: Anton.Rutter
For a moment, forget he was a cop. In ALL our training to get our concealed carry permit...we are continually warned about a "bad shoot" ...example, shooting at a bank robber shooting at you, but you miss and kill a child a block away...that's murder. When we carry, we also carry a grim responsibility and real accountability. Shooting in a theater could have easily set this guy up for that scenario. Maybe he was in danger of losing his life, or was it for losing his temper? (Proof?) This easily could have been a bad shoot and he should be prosecuted...and this written by a person who always carries concealed in a theater.

BTW...S308 is coming up for a vote in SC Senate ...if you are from SC, WRITE your senator for a YEAH vote. (Allows carry into restaurant serving alcohol)

29 posted on 01/15/2014 5:38:42 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag ("There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: MrB

Prosecutors: This wasn’t the first blow-up for Florida theater shooter Curtis Reeves

By Ed Payne, CNN
updated 8:02 AM EST, Wed January 15, 2014

(CNN) — A few weeks before a texting dispute turned deadly inside a Florida theater, the suspect Curtis Reeves had another run-in with a moviegoer, prosecutors said.

During Reeves’ first court appearance on Tuesday, prosecutors said they have heard from another theater patron who said the 71-year-old former Tampa cop saw her texting and “glared at her the entire time throughout the movie” during a screening about three weeks ago.

When the woman got up to use the restroom, Reeves followed her and “made her very uncomfortable,” prosecutors said.

CNN affiliate WTSP later identified the woman as Jamira Dixon of Wesley Chapel, the Tampa suburb where Monday’s shooting took place.

“He became just upset about the whole situation and kept staring and kept giving us dirty looks,” Dixon told the station.

Dixon said she first heard about Monday’s shooting on the radio while she was driving.

“I had to pull over the car because ... it could have been us,” she said. “It was just so close to home. It really makes you think how things could have went.”

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/15/justice/florida-movie-theater-shooting/


30 posted on 01/15/2014 5:38:43 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Anton.Rutter
"I can't believe people would bring a pistol, a gun, to a movie," Cummings said. "I can't believe they would argue and fight and shoot one another over popcorn. Over a cellphone."

I can't believe people think it is odd to be armed. I'm armed everywhere, and I mean everywhere I legally can be armed.

As for shooting someone over popcorn or a cell phone, yeah, that's stupid. Shooting someone because you felt an altercation was escalating and your life was in imminent danger, that's another thing. Though I'd have a hard time getting to "my life is in danger" from some thrown popcorn. Sounds like the guy panic'd, over-reacted, and now someone's dead.

31 posted on 01/15/2014 5:39:33 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: backwoods-engineer

I want to see Lone Survivor but I think I’ll wait til it comes out on DVD.


32 posted on 01/15/2014 5:39:38 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Age of Reason

I do. When I am around those who annoy me, I move on. Those cars and trucks with speakers you can hear for miles and the only thing the drivers play through them is F this and f that annoy the heck out of me but I don’t shoot the driver. And there are things about me that annoy other people, but, as of yet, no one has killed me.


33 posted on 01/15/2014 5:40:24 AM PST by sport
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To: Anton.Rutter
"If you remember back to the Trayvon Martin case, the defense didn't go forward with Stand Your Ground because the burden of proof was on them to show it was reasonable," Dekle said.

A flat-out lie. Zimmerman didn't go forward with Stand Your Ground because he was getting his head repeatedly pounded into the concrete sidewalk and had no way to retreat because Martin was sitting on his chest. In fact, Zimmerman was acquitted because his fear WAS reasonable.

34 posted on 01/15/2014 5:43:44 AM PST by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: Age of Reason
Never mind that he was a cop: whatever happened to respecting one’s elders?

You respect one who executes people for not kissing his senile nazi rump?

35 posted on 01/15/2014 5:44:06 AM PST by Anton.Rutter
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To: grania

Two things. The toddler was at the day care—not the movie house with her parents. The Dad was texting the babysitter.

The other thing is the movie hadn’t started. The old cop told him to stop texting during the previews.


36 posted on 01/15/2014 5:46:02 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Anton.Rutter

“If you remember back to the Trayvon Martin case, the defense didn’t go forward with Stand Your Ground because the burden of proof was on them to show it was reasonable,” Dekle said. In the Zimmerman trial, he claimed self defense and did not invoke the stand your ground law.

That is a complete crock of $hit. Stand your ground was never a issue in that case. Zimmerman was pinned to the ground. It was clear Self Defense. Do these law professors even undersrand simple law.


37 posted on 01/15/2014 5:48:14 AM PST by DeWalt (Times are more like they used to be than they are today.)
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To: sport

I was a huge supporter of police until the last few years. That savage beating to death of the homeless man in Fullerton was the last straw. I know there are good ones and I am thankful they are out there, but there are many bad ones looking for an excuse to exercise their authority.


38 posted on 01/15/2014 5:49:32 AM PST by MattinNJ (It's over Johnny. The America you knew is gone. Denial serves no purpose.)
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To: ilovesarah2012
Yep,

Man charged in Florida movie theater shooting over texting had praiseworthy police career

WESLEY CHAPEL, Fla. – A Florida sheriff says a retired Tampa police officer's praiseworthy career doesn't offset the severity of the charge that he shot and killed another man after an argument at a movie theater over texting.

"The sheriff said at a news conference that Reeves' son — who was off duty from his job as a Tampa officer — was walking into the theater when the shooting happened. Nocco said Reeves briefly struggled with an off-duty deputy but released the weapon. The gun was jammed and unable to fire again."

Curtis Reeves appears via video conference before Circuit Judge Lynn Tepper in Wesley Chapel, Fla. on Tuesday, Jan. 14, 2014. Tepper ordered Reeves, 71, held without bond on a charge of second-degree murder in the death of 43-year-old Chad Oulson on Monday. An argument over texting in a movie theater ended with Reeves, a retired police captain fatally shooting Oulson, authorities said. (AP Photo/The Tampa Bay Times, Brendan Fitterer) (The Associated Press)

Source: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/15/man-charged-in-florida-movie-theater-shooting-over-texting-had-praiseworthy/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fnational+%28Internal+-+US+Latest+-+Text%29

39 posted on 01/15/2014 5:49:51 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Alas Babylon!

Thank you. I didn’t realize the toddler was at the daycare; I did know the texting was during the previews. My statement stands though, that he should’ve done what all moviegoers have to do on occasion....change seats.


40 posted on 01/15/2014 5:49:59 AM PST by grania
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To: Anton.Rutter

well the only good I see of this is maybe people will stop their cell phone use in the movie!


41 posted on 01/15/2014 5:50:43 AM PST by jrd (All federal acts,laws,orders,rules regulations regarding firearms, infringe the 2 amendment)
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To: Anton.Rutter

Retired cop still thought he had the right to order folks around, and pulled a gun and shot when the victim didn’t.


42 posted on 01/15/2014 5:52:38 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Anton.Rutter

This is so frustrating, because each of the men could have chosen not to do what he did. The one could have decided texting during commercials wasn’t a big deal. The other could have said, “Sorry, I’m done now.” And so on.

They say, “An armed society is a polite society.” Maybe we’ll reach a point at which so many people are carrying guns that everyone realizes that any argument could turn deadly. Then maybe people will stop escalating every little dispute, because they’ll be viscerally aware that it’s just not worth it.


43 posted on 01/15/2014 5:53:17 AM PST by Tax-chick (Tell the mad chameleon he's not welcome anymore.)
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To: backwoods-engineer; MrB

Exactly. He’s an ex-cop who thought he was still allowed to order folks around at gun point.


44 posted on 01/15/2014 5:54:02 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: txrefugee

“However, even an old SWAT officer ought not to have been in “fear of his life” from an attack by popcorn.”

Throwing something in an opponent’s face is a good opening move in a fight to blind, distract, or startle them, followed up by an attack or attempted disarm. A lot depends upon the details, especially how quickly after the popcorn barrage the shooting happened. Hemmed in by people in a row of theater seats, one is unable to retreat or flee.

Of course the shooter could just be a dumbass.


45 posted on 01/15/2014 5:54:19 AM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: jrd

CNN is already using it to accuse gun owners of being dangerous nuts.


46 posted on 01/15/2014 5:54:38 AM PST by Luke21
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To: Alas Babylon!

Here is what I don’t get.

How does ‘texting’ bother other moviegoers ?

It would make more sense if he was TALKING on the phone, or had the SPEAKER on, but texting ? That makes no noise.

Gee... I remember the good ole’ days when People got new LED watches for Christmas and set the alarm to go off during the movie. No one got killed, that I remember.


47 posted on 01/15/2014 5:55:14 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (I forgot what my tagline was supposed to say)
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To: Travis McGee

Sounds like he had a big chip on his shoulder about texting, as well,

and also still thought he should have the power to intimidate people into complying with his will.


48 posted on 01/15/2014 5:56:17 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Anton.Rutter
Reeves' statements raise the possibility that he could try to invoke Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law, made famous by the shooting in which George Zimmerman killed unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in 2012.

BZZZZT. Wrong. No prize for you.

49 posted on 01/15/2014 5:57:17 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: MrB

“I think he’s more to blame for his elitist attitude for being an ex-cop than he is for the instrument through which he punished someone else for not recognizing his elite status.”

Exactly what I was thinking.


50 posted on 01/15/2014 5:57:30 AM PST by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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