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Coburn:The only way to fix Washington is to have a Convention of the States and limit their power
Right Scoop ^ | January 15, 2014

Posted on 01/15/2014 10:05:43 AM PST by Bigtigermike

It turns out that Senator Tom Coburn is a big supporter of Mark Levin’s new book The Liberty Amendments. When asked last night about this new 1000 plus page spending bill and the fact that the Senate will vote on it before anyone gets a chance to read it, Sen. Tom Coburn told Mark Levin that you can’t prevent this stuff from happening because all we have is a bunch of career politicians who only care about getting reelected. He says the only way to fix Washington is for the states to convene a Convention of the States and limit their power, something he definitely supports.

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KEYWORDS: 17th; articlev; congress; conventionofstates; liberalism; libertyamendments; marklevin; obama; seventeenth; statesright; tomcoburn
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1 posted on 01/15/2014 10:05:43 AM PST by Bigtigermike
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To: Bigtigermike
He says the only way to fix Washington is for the states to convene a Convention of the States and limit their power,

Sorry, Coburn. You had a lot of potential and eventually succumbed to the Beltway flu yourself.

The Constitution has plenty of limits on government power. The problem is, the three branches of government collude to kick down those limits. The only, ONLY way to limit government is to limit the careers of big-government politicians in both parties.

2 posted on 01/15/2014 10:08:32 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Bigtigermike

ONLY after Tea Party members gain operational control of more states.


3 posted on 01/15/2014 10:08:36 AM PST by House Atreides
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To: Jacquerie; Baynative

Article V ping.


4 posted on 01/15/2014 10:10:16 AM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Bigtigermike

Senator:

Then stop talking about it and DO IT. Do whatever it takes to make it happen.

Talk is cheap.


5 posted on 01/15/2014 10:12:08 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: dirtboy

“Sorry, Coburn. You had a lot of potential and eventually succumbed to the Beltway flu yourself.”

I’m with you on that one. What a disappointment Coburn showed himself to be.

I think the only hope is a public that is educated and cares. Given that as the only hope, there isn’t much hope for America.


6 posted on 01/15/2014 10:16:16 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: Bigtigermike

Here’s the problem.....the purse is now located in DC and DC has turned the states into beggers.


7 posted on 01/15/2014 10:16:23 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Bigtigermike

Why? So they can officially take away our constitutional rights thant they currently scoff ??

No thanks. The rights handed down to us by the founders are just fine, Tom.


8 posted on 01/15/2014 10:18:02 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Bigtigermike

Zero chance of that happening.

Back ~ 20 years ago when I was young+ naive I would buy books that’s entire subject was about something fixing Washington that had not a chance of happening,
I recall a book on congressional term limits. Never happening.

Not even worth debating.


9 posted on 01/15/2014 10:21:31 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Bigtigermike

All this whining, finally an idea I could get behind, and actively support.


10 posted on 01/15/2014 10:25:57 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Bigtigermike

We’ve already had a convention of states that came up with a system of government with limited federal powers. They even formalized it in a document that all the states ratified.


11 posted on 01/15/2014 10:32:53 AM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: Bigtigermike
On February 21, 1787 Congress proposed a Convention for "the sole and express purpose of revising the Articles of Confederation"
Resolved that in the opinion of Congress it is expedient that on the second Monday in May next a Convention of delegates who shall have been appointed by the several States be held at Philadelphia for the sole and express purpose of revising the Articles of Confederation and reporting to Congress and the several legislatures such alterations and provisions therein as shall when agreed to in Congress and confirmed by the States render the federal Constitution adequate to the exigencies of Government and the preservation of the Union.

Journals of the Continental Congress, 32:74

The rest is history.
12 posted on 01/15/2014 10:33:31 AM PST by Ray76
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To: Bigtigermike

Articles of Secession would be more effective.


13 posted on 01/15/2014 10:37:26 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Publius

Gracias.


14 posted on 01/15/2014 10:42:29 AM PST by Jacquerie (Article V.)
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To: Jacquerie

Fertile room for response.


15 posted on 01/15/2014 10:43:26 AM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Vaquero

The rights handed down to us are certainly not fine, as it is. They are being destroyed by congress AND voters who want government to be fundamentally transformed

We’re going on $18 trillion in debt and that’s BEFORE obamacare moves in and takes away our money

Rights?

They’ll be worthless next to the need to fight for survival

42% of young adults have any desire to have kids

At a financial aid briefing for parents of prospective college students, the speaker said its only $20,000.00 average debt new college grads have, not the rare $100,000.00 the media wants us to believe and their first car will.be around $20,000.00.

I had $2 g debt and an $1,800.00 car. No $200 TV and Internet bill. A $50 phone bill And I had a job

Jimmy kümmel made fun yesterday of Medicare spending multi millions on penis pumps for 450,000 men.

That’s government money. These people are giving away our rights for this stuff

While congress is breaking a contract with veterans by taking away their promised retirement. Hugh Hewitt says if a corp did the same, it would get sued and lose the case

Rights?

A group of nuns have to go to the Supreme Court for their right to not have to sin and risk hell or close up shop taking care of old poor people by being forced to provide birth control to their staff

Who’s paying for that? The lawyers? How many of those cases are they going to volunteer for?

The IRS has no liability in harassing right wing groups when Nixon was rightfully brought to impeachment for just thinking about doing that

Our rights are not fine


16 posted on 01/15/2014 10:43:54 AM PST by stanne
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To: Bigtigermike
In one of the anti-Federalist papers it was pointed out just how few Congressmen needed to be present to pass an outrageously oppressive bill. I think the number at the time was around 30.

Of course, Congress is much bigger now. Unfortunately the number of persons present to pass outrageously oppressive legislation has dwindled to one. And he's doing it, too.

17 posted on 01/15/2014 10:47:03 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: dirtboy

Senator Coburn is my senator, and I think he’s done a reasonably good job given the circumstances. He’s not perfect, but he’s a far cry better than most of them. My biggest complaint is that’s he’s always civil toward the other side. I don’t think he understands that they are only civil when it serves their purposes, and they are definitely not playing by the same set of rules (in fact, they change or ignore rules when it serves them). Maybe he does understand that, but he thinks he needs to be nice regardless. I think it has something to do with his Christian faith.

I think Senator Coburn would have done far more to reign in government spending had we (Americans) given him more conservative allies in the Senate. The man has fought a losing battle from day one. Rather than blaming him for what’s wrong with D.C., maybe conservatives in other states need to work harder to replace their RINOs and Democrat senators.


18 posted on 01/15/2014 10:47:53 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Sodomy and abortion. The only constitutional rights protected by Democrats.)
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To: dirtboy
The only way to possibly restore freedom is to divide power once again between the states and their offspring in Washington.

When the 17th Amendment destroyed vertical separation of powers, when the states left the senate, ALL power fell into the laps of one president, 535 congressmen/senators, and nine black-robes.

Our Framers were realists and knew exactly what would happen. It did. The wonder is that it took 101 years for an authoritarian like Obama to emerge.

19 posted on 01/15/2014 10:50:43 AM PST by Jacquerie (Article V.)
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To: Jacquerie

The leftists will have a lot of power at a convention of states or a Con-Con


20 posted on 01/15/2014 10:52:19 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL
An Amendments Convention will reflect all facets of the country, both Left and Right. He's some boilerplate I usually toss in on these threads to put it all in perspective.

*** BEGIN ***

The amendatory process under Article V consists of three steps: Proposal, Disposal, and Ratification.

Proposal:

There are two ways to propose an amendment to the Constitution.

Article V gives Congress and an Amendments Convention exactly the same power to propose amendments, no more and no less.

Disposal:

Once Congress, or an Amendments Convention, proposes amendments, Congress must decide whether the states will ratify by the:

The State Ratifying Convention Method has only been used twice: once to ratify the Constitution, and once to ratify the 21st Amendment repealing Prohibition.

Ratification:

Depending upon which ratification method is chosen by Congress, either the state legislatures vote up-or-down on the proposed amendment, or the voters elect a state ratifying convention to vote up-or-down. If three-quarters of the states vote to ratify, the amendment becomes part of the Constitution.

Forbidden Subjects:

Article V contains two explicitly forbidden subjects and one implicitly forbidden subject.

Explicitly forbidden:

Implicity forbidden:

I have two reference works for those interested.

The first is from the American Legislative Exchange Council, a conservative pro-business group. This document has been sent to every state legislator in the country.

Proposing Constitutional Amendments by a Convention of the States: A Handbook for State Lawmakers

The second is a 1973 report from the American Bar Association attempting to identify gray areas in the amendatory process to include an Amendments Convention. It represents the view of the ruling class of 40 years ago. While I dislike some of their conclusions, they have laid out the precedents that may justify those conclusions. What I respect is the comprehensive job they did in locating all the gray areas. They went so far as to identify a gray area that didn't pop up until the Equal Rights Amendment crashed and burned a decade later. Even if you find yourself in disagreement with their vision, it's worth reading to see the view of the ruling class toward the process.

Report of the ABA Special Constitutional Convention Study Committee

21 posted on 01/15/2014 10:58:15 AM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: sickoflibs

Surrender really is easier than fighting for what is right.

I am just grateful that our Founding Fathers did NOT take the path that you recommend.


22 posted on 01/15/2014 11:04:36 AM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: Publius
Oh, I'll keep plugging away.

I just wonder at the conservative bona fides of those at FR who oppose an Article V amendment convention after the Bamster so much as told the world he was going to govern by decree.

There is an abundance for our dying republic to learn from the founding/framing generation. They knew human nature and designed a government that accounted for the worst of it. I admire them collectively not because they were perfect, but because they got so much so right.

23 posted on 01/15/2014 11:07:44 AM PST by Jacquerie (Article V.)
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To: Howie66; Impy; BillyBoy
RE :”I am just grateful that our Founding Fathers did NOT take the path that you recommend.”

HAHA Right Mark,

I listen to his first half hour a day usually and his explanation for why his listeners should buy his book of ideas none of which will ever be tried is because the 13 colonies revolution was impossible too, but they did it.
I wonder where you got the above idea from ? (not really)

One difference Mark :They actually did it, your true believers will buy your book and that's about it, it will collect dust till they throw it out.

24 posted on 01/15/2014 11:12:50 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: GeronL

The Leftists right now have ALL power in Washington.


25 posted on 01/15/2014 11:13:29 AM PST by Jacquerie (Article V.)
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To: sickoflibs

What do you think we do to reverse tyranny and restore freedom?


26 posted on 01/15/2014 11:15:08 AM PST by Jacquerie (Article V.)
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To: Jacquerie

Because we keep electing “lesser of 2 evils” and being shocked that we keep getting evil


27 posted on 01/15/2014 11:19:18 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Bigtigermike
We can not expect the people currently in power to fix the problems that they themselves have created by design!

They would simply use a Convention to create more mayhem.

The only solution is to remove those currently in power and forever bar them from participating the political system.

28 posted on 01/15/2014 11:25:47 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

bump

It isn’t the Constitution that needs fixing


29 posted on 01/15/2014 11:28:18 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Jacquerie; Howie66; Impy; BillyBoy
RE :”What do you think we do to reverse tyranny and restore freedom?”

Duh, lets see. The way Dems imposed tyranny and removed freedom was to, ??? I remember: win elections and get power.

But How did they do that?

When Pelosi took over house in 2007 she didn't allow her lib members to :
1) Shut down the government
2) Try to impeach Bush.

But I know that's not in Levin's book. Listening to him one would think that's how they got the power they got to pass Obamacare.

30 posted on 01/15/2014 11:28:20 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: sickoflibs

Thank you for sharing your feelings.


31 posted on 01/15/2014 11:30:17 AM PST by Jacquerie (Article V.)
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To: Howie66; Impy; BillyBoy

Even better is when he compares shutting down the government for some unknown or undecided objective, to D-day 1944,.

He is great on the meaningless analogies.


32 posted on 01/15/2014 11:30:39 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Jacquerie
The Leftists right now have ALL power in Washington.

There is certainly an entrenched ruling class, yes, and it does tend to lean toward statism and collectivism, which is broadly left. Its occupants consider themselves centrists if they bother to think about it at all.

My concern is simply this: given how cavalierly they discard the clear directions within the Constitution as it stands, what would it take to force them to conform with it as it might be modified? Changing the rules only affects those who play by them. I don't actually have a position on that, just the question.

33 posted on 01/15/2014 11:31:34 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: sickoflibs

Harry Reid/Obama shut down the government


34 posted on 01/15/2014 11:31:45 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Bigtigermike

38 is the magic #

38 states coming together can accomplish anything.

The can fire Obama, dissolve Congress, even abolish Supreme Court


35 posted on 01/15/2014 11:33:08 AM PST by bestintxas (Obamacare = Obamascrewed)
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To: Jacquerie
The leftists own the House and the Senate and the White House and the courts because people keep voting for the same old RINO incumbents
36 posted on 01/15/2014 11:33:32 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Bigtigermike
He says the only way to fix Washington is for the states to convene a Convention of the States and limit their power

Also

1) balanced budget amendment
2) 100% reserve gold standard
3) eliminate the Federal Reserve
4) repeal 16th and 17th amendments

37 posted on 01/15/2014 11:33:33 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Jacquerie

A more direct reply for same answer is to convince more Americans that what Dems are doing is bad for them and/or their families, so they will go out vote against it.

But that takes more than repeating 30 year old arguments to the choir, for 30 years.


38 posted on 01/15/2014 11:34:25 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: bestintxas
Not exactly. Go to Post #21.

The states can propose amendments at an Amendments Convention do everything you suggested. But it would take 38 states to ratify those amendments to make the things you suggested happen. It's a three-step process. The convention merely proposes; it doesn't have ratification powers.

39 posted on 01/15/2014 11:36:25 AM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Bigtigermike

Not only limit their power...but also TERM LIMITS. No more than 8 years. Moratorium on working for a someone/firm who donated to your campaign for 5 years.

The corruption has to end.


40 posted on 01/15/2014 11:38:15 AM PST by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: GeronL
RE :”Harry Reid/Obama shut down the government”

Good idea on their part, Looks like it worked too

I guess when Dems saw those ‘dont blink’ commercials claiming that a shutdown would force REid and Obama to repeal Obama-care, REid and Obama said :
Our lucky day. Now that they are calling for a shutdown we can shut it down and blame them and it will sound believable. The GOP will surrender just like they did in 1996”

41 posted on 01/15/2014 11:38:55 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: sickoflibs

and it rallied conservatives and it energized conservatives like they haven’t been since Saran Palin was selected as VP candidate.

Unfortunately the GOPe leaders have no desire to energize and rally conservative voters.


42 posted on 01/15/2014 11:41:40 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL
RE :”and it rallied conservatives and it energized conservatives like they haven’t been since Saran Palin was selected as VP candidate.”

From the posts I read here and many Mark Levin and Rush rants it sounds like it rallied and energized the GOPe to organize , and resulted in the budget they just passed too.

You must recalling seeing those posts, just search for word 'attack' in title.

43 posted on 01/15/2014 11:45:28 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: GeronL
RE :”....energized conservatives like they haven’t been since Saran Palin was selected as VP candidate.”

Didn't Obama win that election?

44 posted on 01/15/2014 11:47:00 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: sickoflibs

Okay, Sparky.....are you saying that the government “shut-down” of last fall was done by Conservatives?


45 posted on 01/15/2014 11:49:07 AM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: ThomasMore
Two terms and no pension.
Get back to where you came from.
46 posted on 01/15/2014 11:50:26 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: sickoflibs

because RINO McCain suspended his campaign and then all but endorsed Obama a week before the vote.

“Obama is a good man, he will make a fine President. We have nothing to fear from a President Obama”

that is called capitulation


47 posted on 01/15/2014 11:50:30 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL
So you are saying Sarah energized conservatives like never before, but afterward Mccain de-enegized them for the 2008 election?

But she was still on the ticket

48 posted on 01/15/2014 11:53:31 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Howie66
RE :”Okay, Sparky.....are you saying that the government “shut-down” of last fall was done by Conservatives?”

I was saying you didn't see Pelosi shutting down the government to block the Iraq surge. She funded it instead. As to this latest shutdown:

see #41

49 posted on 01/15/2014 11:55:07 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: ThomasMore; holdonnow
Not only limit their power...but also TERM LIMITS.

I believe TERM LIMITS is the number one proposal in Mark Levin's book, The Liberty Amendments.

Apparently Mark Levin is sending copies of the book to State Legislators across the country. One such State Legislator from NM called the show yesterday, and announced that she had received the book, read it, and has pre-submitted a bill in the NM Legislature for the state to join the Convention of the States.

The State Legislatures are where these changes must happen, and it is happening. It is not a quick fix. It is going to be a long, hard fight for the survival of human civilization.

From D.C. McAllister's review of the book:

Levin’s 11 Proposed Liberty Amendments:

1.Establish Congressional Term Limits
2.Repeal the 17th Amendment and Restore the Senate
3.Establish Term Limits for Supreme Court Justices
4.Limit Federal Spending
5. Limit Federal Taxing
6.Limit the Federal Bureaucracy
7.Promote Free Enterprise
8.Protect Private Property
9.Grant States Authority to Directly Amend the Constitution
10.Grant States Authority to Check Congress
11.Protect the Vote
(While these are Levin’s suggestions, he has stated that others could certainly be proposed.)

50 posted on 01/15/2014 11:55:10 AM PST by meadsjn
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