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TMZ Reveals Photos of U.S. Troops Burning Dead Bodies in Iraq
New York Magazine ^ | 1/15 | Joe Coscarelli

Posted on 01/15/2014 10:28:46 AM PST by nickcarraway

With Fallujah back under the control of Sunni insurgents, the nightmare of Iraq in 2004 is alive again. Today, TMZ published eight horrifying images, allegedly taken nearly a decade ago in Fallujah, which appear to show U.S. Marines posing next to dead bodies, soaking them in gasoline, and lighting them on fire. The gossip site claims to have published just a few of the 41 photos it obtained — "Many are just too gruesome" — and the military has opened an investigation.

"The actions depicted in these photos are not what we expect from our service members, nor do they represent the honorable and professional service of the more than 2.5 million Americans who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan," said Commander Bill Speaks, a spokesperson for the Pentagon, in a statement. "The Marine Corps is currently investigating the veracity of these photos, circumstances involved, and if possible, the identities of the service members involved. The findings from this investigation will determine whether we are able to move forward with any investigation into possible wrongdoing."

There is no statute of limitations on violations of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

The upsetting pictures are not the first of their kind and track with known abuses in the region by U.S. forces at the time. According to a 2005 report from Human Rights Watch, "The torture of detainees reportedly was so widespread and accepted that it became a means of stress relief for soldiers."

The recent fall of Fallujah has brought that time to the surface again for some troops. "It's just like, wow, thanks for dragging up all these memories I tried to forget that were controlling my life," one soldier told the New York Times recently, calling photos of the recent developments "nauseating." "For a while I lived out of a bottle trying to shut the memories off," he said.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: almuthanna; fallujah; iraq; tmz
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1 posted on 01/15/2014 10:28:46 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

I’m thinking this kind of brutality is
a) a big part of the reason we took Fallujah
b) what they’d do to us.

War is what it is. Fight the war or don’t.

If you want to win, do things that will help you win.

just sayin’

/flamesuit


2 posted on 01/15/2014 10:33:34 AM PST by Principled
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To: nickcarraway

“What difference, at this point, does it make?”


3 posted on 01/15/2014 10:33:45 AM PST by oldbrowser (discriminating against a culture is not racism.)
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To: oldbrowser
True.

Plus, isn't better than just leaving them there to rot and stink up the place?

4 posted on 01/15/2014 10:35:06 AM PST by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: nickcarraway

I don’t understand the problem. Rotting and decaying corpses can cause disease and environmental issues. If there is no personal involvement by family and friends to dispose of them, health would require mass graves and disposal by fire (i.e. Diesel fuel). This was pretty common practice in Vietnam and I don’t understand why the press would think this to be something not understandable.


5 posted on 01/15/2014 10:36:49 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: oldbrowser

Exactly. How about opening up an investigation on any one of the more current travesties caused by Hil!ary, or this admin?


6 posted on 01/15/2014 10:37:35 AM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: nickcarraway

I hope they used pork fat as an accellerant.


7 posted on 01/15/2014 10:37:38 AM PST by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: nickcarraway

I had some personal friends in Fallujah. Some of the closest friends that a man could have (without, ya know, being queer.)

Based on some of the stories and photographs I’ve seen from that period, I am rather surprised we did not just carpet bomb the place. It would have been a lot easier, cleared out the bad guys, and saved a lot of US lives.

In the end, we did not do anyone any favors there.

I respect the USMC, and I think they did nothing different than any other army has done, ever.

God Bless them. Semper Fi, Marines.


8 posted on 01/15/2014 10:38:47 AM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: nickcarraway

Well better douse those flames with whatever fluids are available. Drink up.


9 posted on 01/15/2014 10:38:52 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: nickcarraway

‘Progressive’s’ can use these photos to justify how ‘vile and irreprehensible’ the military is to them.
Perhaps they can display these photos as reason enough that wars shouldn’t be fought. Then we will never have to go to war again. (They sure have no intention of winning one. Unless it’s a war on their opposition.)
War is a terrible thing. Always has been, always will be. But, Some say there are worse things than war. We’ll find that out soon enough, I think.
I remember a time when we said to the Leftists, ‘I don’t agree with what you’re saying, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.’ Maybe that was a mistake.


10 posted on 01/15/2014 10:39:02 AM PST by griswold3 (Post-Christian America is living on borrowed moral heritage)
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To: b4its2late

These look to be already badly decomposed bodies.


11 posted on 01/15/2014 10:39:40 AM PST by Ray76
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To: nickcarraway

Hmmm... what was the carbon footprint?

Otherwise, I’m not seeing a big deal here. These are just jihadis... we’re not talking about real humans.


12 posted on 01/15/2014 10:39:47 AM PST by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: nickcarraway

I hope/wish they had burned them in pig fat.


13 posted on 01/15/2014 10:40:46 AM PST by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: b4its2late

Whats the problem? Our boys were sparing Iraqi civilians from severe gastroenteritis.


14 posted on 01/15/2014 10:41:11 AM PST by skeeter
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To: nickcarraway

So, TMZ is bring this up now while Obama has created a bucket load of scandals?


15 posted on 01/15/2014 10:41:20 AM PST by dragonblustar (Psalm 37:7)
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To: skeeter

You’re correct.


16 posted on 01/15/2014 10:42:10 AM PST by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: Ray76

Yes, you’re right. I bet they were already rotting. Our guys wouldn’t have had the time to bury them. (Nor would I want them to.)


17 posted on 01/15/2014 10:43:14 AM PST by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: nickcarraway
F TMZ.
Semper Fi ...
18 posted on 01/15/2014 10:43:43 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: nickcarraway
Burning dead enemy bodies?

I think we should bring back flamethrowers and make the kill/burn a single action.

19 posted on 01/15/2014 10:43:54 AM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: nickcarraway

.... because cremation is unacceptable???


20 posted on 01/15/2014 10:44:21 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: b4its2late

I checked out the pictures - the ignorance of those trying to make a big deal of this is stunning.


21 posted on 01/15/2014 10:44:23 AM PST by skeeter
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To: nickcarraway

It appears these people were already dead, so, essentially these were cremations.

With that being true, these burnings were far less gruesome than what the world’s hero, Nelson Mandela, did.


22 posted on 01/15/2014 10:45:37 AM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

The only thing that upsets me is they apparently forgot to bring bacon bits to the cook-out.


23 posted on 01/15/2014 10:45:49 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: ScottinVA
>> These are just jihadis... we’re not talking about real humans.

That comment is shameful and disgusting.

Burning large numbers of enemy corpses is simply a necessary public health measure.

24 posted on 01/15/2014 10:46:13 AM PST by NorthMountain
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To: nickcarraway

Buring the enemy bump.

25 posted on 01/15/2014 10:46:32 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: nickcarraway
Well. I'm just speechless. Except to say:

Oo-rah!

Semper fi!

26 posted on 01/15/2014 10:47:26 AM PST by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: nickcarraway

absolutely nothing shocking to see there .
The Marines were tasked to ferret out a rats nest of foreign jihadis that had infested Fallujah city . They resisted , they were killed . What did they want them to do ? Leave them to rot on the ground ? Or each one given a respectful MOSLEM f-ing funeral , ala Osama bin Laden ?

Personally I would favor lining up the corpses in an open area , running Abrams tanks back and forth over them a bit and then leaving them for the Iraqi dogs to enjoy the remains .


27 posted on 01/15/2014 10:47:50 AM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: nickcarraway

I was in Hue, Vietnam during the 1968 Tet Offensive. Hundreds of unburied enemy and civilian corpses accumulated. Hue being an urban center there was not enough suitable ground for burial. And with a battle raging public sanitation lost its priority. In some areas of the city bodies were sprinkled with lime by local health officials until they could be safely carted away. Where I was the bodies were doused with diesel fuel and set on fire. This was a temporary fix to ease the odor and flies until the bodies could be properly buried. One natural process going on was packs of hungry dogs who stripped bodies to the bone.


28 posted on 01/15/2014 10:49:12 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: nickcarraway

Recall that 10 years ago the Abu Ghraib prison pictures came to light as the GWB administrations first major embarrassment, the first of many to come.

Looking back it was a bad sign as what was to come.


29 posted on 01/15/2014 10:49:57 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: nickcarraway

Shocking! Burning the bodies of MUSLIM ENEMY dead?! I think they should have put them in the bottom of a latrine instead- or at least douse them with bacon grease instead of valuable gasoline.These people are the scourge of the earth, NOTHING is more horrifying than them being alive at all, IMO.


30 posted on 01/15/2014 10:50:35 AM PST by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.)
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To: nickcarraway
The muzzies are gonna not like this one. Cremation is forbidden for dead muzzies.

We should have burnt the place to the ground instead sending in our Marines.

31 posted on 01/15/2014 10:54:09 AM PST by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: Ray76
‘These look to be already badly decomposed bodies.’

Yes, these are about the most unshocking ‘shocking photos i have seen in a long time. The Marines pictured are doing a post action (quite a bit post action considering some of the remains are already partially skeletonized) battlefield police up which includes disposing of enemy remains which were a public health problem. One marine is shown posing with an M-16 pointed at the skull of one of these remains. This is shocking? The people going on about this are what is disturbing. We have so many pansy types in the chattering classes that have not the first idea about what a lot of ‘real world’ events are. I remember a prof in college who was very anti-Viet Nam but who had been a combat soldier in the Big War. Some bearded wonder popped off about the atrocious behavior of American soldiers and how they didn't take Viet Cong prisoners. The prof without missing a beat said ‘Of course who takes prisoners on a patrol unless you are supposed to grab one? Who do you think is going to watch them so they don't summon their friends? GI’s want to come back alive that's their first order of business.’ The bearded wonder seemed truly perplexed at this teaching moment.

32 posted on 01/15/2014 10:54:56 AM PST by robowombat
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To: NorthMountain
These are just jihadis... we’re not talking about real humans.
That comment is shameful and disgusting.

You know the of all the enemies we have faced the jihadist are about the most despicable and I would say merit being considered human garbage that has somehow become mobile. They are just excrement under the boots of our military. (and hopefully armored vehicle treads as well)

33 posted on 01/15/2014 11:01:23 AM PST by robowombat
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To: nickcarraway

“There is no statute of limitations on violations of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.”

Bravo Sierra! There are SOLs for any number of offenses under the UCMJ. Not sure who this reporter’s been getting his info from.


34 posted on 01/15/2014 11:05:53 AM PST by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: robowombat
You know the of all the enemies we have faced the jihadist are about the most despicable

Really?

Have you forgotten the Third Reich? The Japanese? The North Koreans and their Red Chinese comrades? The North Vietnamese, Viet Cong, and their Red Chinese comrades?

We have warred with some really nasty people over the last 100 years. Their nastiness does not detract from the fact that they are human. In fact, their fallen, sinful, depraved humanity has a lot to do with their nastiness.

35 posted on 01/15/2014 11:07:52 AM PST by NorthMountain
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To: nickcarraway

someone please tell me - after blowing someone’s head off with a .50 round and while his friends and cohorts are still trying to kill you - what’s the proper way to dispose of an enemy corpse laying in the street?


36 posted on 01/15/2014 11:11:06 AM PST by PGR88
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To: nickcarraway

Obviously every troop that went to Iraq should be put on trial, maybe after being extradited to the World Court, for Crimes Against Mohammedan Sensibilities.


37 posted on 01/15/2014 11:13:48 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: b4its2late

You either burn them or you dig a big hole and bulldoze them in. Or you round up the locals and force them to bury them with appropriate funerals and such.


38 posted on 01/15/2014 11:15:02 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Ray76
"These look to be already badly decomposed bodies."

First, you're absolutely right. Second it's a real health hazard having corpses rotting nearby and if you have to hold a position it's a better idea to burn a corpse than to assign already tired troops who may need to put out a lot of effort improving their own position to dig a nice tidy grave. I know for a fact that Marines try to get corpses underground as fast as possible whenever possible.

I also know that anyone who ever had to hold a position in a hot built up area with rotting corpses nearby would be in favor of burning the corpses rather than subjecting troops to the ordeal of adjusting to hordes of corpse fattened flies all over them and their gear not to mention the stench.

If it's up to me, the "proper" disposal of a corpse isn't chit compared to the health and welfare of my people and screw anyone who can't understand that.

39 posted on 01/15/2014 11:16:47 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: nickcarraway
Some of the "bodies" already appear skeletalized-- they had been rotting for weeks at least.

What kind of "abuse" is it to burn already rotting bodies stinking up the place?

40 posted on 01/15/2014 11:17:57 AM PST by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: nickcarraway; All

Hummmm, 1.21 million murdered U.S. citizens (babies) or, as the left likes to call them, abortions, in America each year or 55,772,015 murder victims, defenseless babies, (abortions) in America since Roe vs. Wade in 1973.

TMZ is getting their panties all knotted up in a wad over a few scumbags getting burned, probably after getting killed for shooting at said Marines....WoW! Talk about some really F’ed up priorities. Look into 1.21 million murdered U.S. citizens a year...there is your news.


41 posted on 01/15/2014 11:22:58 AM PST by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: nickcarraway

Oh **** tmz... I have the pictures of the bodies of Blackwater contractors which the terrorists mutilated, beheaded and burned after they hung them upside down on a bridge in Falluja. I just want the pukes that gave these pictures out to be dealt with by those that can deal with it.


42 posted on 01/15/2014 11:28:26 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: areukiddingme1

TMZ are a bunch of whiny leftist homosexual urbanized mentally and physically weak fools. They’re occasionally amusing, but their priorities are seriously wrong.


43 posted on 01/15/2014 11:28:45 AM PST by NorthMountain
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To: NorthMountain

The muslims used jet fuel on 9/11 to burn trapped people in the WTC.


44 posted on 01/15/2014 11:35:00 AM PST by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: nickcarraway

yes but it’s ok for mandela and her thugs to burn people alive.


45 posted on 01/15/2014 11:36:56 AM PST by bravo whiskey (We should not fear our government. Our government should fear us.)
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To: NorthMountain

Un wad your panties, North. Jihadis adhere to a subhuman ethic, they get what they get.


46 posted on 01/15/2014 11:39:37 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: pierrem15

They burned bodies in Galveston after the hurricane in 1900.

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47 posted on 01/15/2014 11:43:11 AM PST by Mears
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To: clintonh8r

I looked at their gallery of nine pictures and I didn’t see anything “horrifying.”


48 posted on 01/15/2014 11:43:41 AM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: nickcarraway

I have an idea ...lets pull our troops out of Iraq and let Iraqi humanity restore itself!

oh

wait


49 posted on 01/15/2014 11:45:51 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: griswold3

well the lefties sure get offended by Kermit Gosnell’s victims’ photos, don’t they?


50 posted on 01/15/2014 11:47:57 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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