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Asiana victim who was ran over might have been visible to rescue workers, videos suggest
Yahoo News ^ | 1/15/2014 | Mike Krumboltz

Posted on 01/15/2014 1:40:49 PM PST by GeronL

Newly released videos obtained by CBS News suggest that the 16-year-old girl who was run over by a fire truck and killed after surviving a crash on ill-fated Asiana Airlines Flight 214 might have been visible to rescue workers, contradicting earlier reports that she was covered with fire-extinguishing foam.

Ye Meng Yuan died at San Francisco International Airport in July. One video, shot from a camera attached to an emergency worker's helmet, captures footage of a firefighter shouting warnings about Ye to a driver of a rescue vehicle.

"Whoa, whoa, whoa! Stop, stop, stop! There's a body. ... There's a body right there, right in front of you," the rescue worker told the driver in one video. CBS News said it acquired the footage from someone close to Ye's family.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: mighthave; ofcourse
"From KPIX:

The video shows about 15 minutes after a fire rig driver was first alerted (to) Ye’s location on the ground, he ran her over. The helmet cam shows another truck also drove over Ye’s body minutes later."

1 posted on 01/15/2014 1:40:49 PM PST by GeronL
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To: KC_Lion

watch the video: Visibility was very GOOD


2 posted on 01/15/2014 1:42:49 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Morgana

They saw the “body” when they arrived and never checked for vital signs. 15 minutes later they run it over.

wow.


3 posted on 01/15/2014 1:44:46 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL
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4 posted on 01/15/2014 1:44:54 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: GeronL
Racist Driver?

Impaired?

5 posted on 01/15/2014 1:45:07 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Irenic

So much for the “they never saw her” theories.

Nothing but lies from the city since then.


6 posted on 01/15/2014 1:45:31 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Paladin2
Poor Vision?

Over Stimulated?

7 posted on 01/15/2014 1:46:03 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

poorly trained and stressed


8 posted on 01/15/2014 1:46:14 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: GeronL

Only “might have”??!!

The video I saw shows the firemen stopping and looking at her body before they foamed the plane. However, I didn’t see them taking time to check for vital signs.


9 posted on 01/15/2014 1:46:14 PM PST by CedarDave (Fox News - Obama couldn't sign up for healthcare because the system couldn't verify his identity!)
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To: GeronL

I agree. I don’t think it can be denied, I don’t see any wiggle room in this. That poor girl and her family.


10 posted on 01/15/2014 1:46:52 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: Paladin2
She was lying there when they arrived, they did not check the vitals. They assumed she was dead. They warned people not to run over the body.

15 minutes later a different truck apparently ran her over.


Did I miss anything??
11 posted on 01/15/2014 1:46:59 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: driftdiver

Poorly trained??!! How much training does it take to know not to run over people?


12 posted on 01/15/2014 1:47:12 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Paladin2

visibility was very clear when they arrived. I think they were so focused on the fire, they totally overlooked her.


13 posted on 01/15/2014 1:47:45 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Still Thinking

Very good question.


14 posted on 01/15/2014 1:48:53 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Still Thinking

This video proves that the city and officials have been lying since the crash. This was THEIR video, they must have had access to this and they lied and lied for months!

The lawsuit discovery I assume is how this video was brought to light.


15 posted on 01/15/2014 1:49:34 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL

I *think* that information may have been in a story the DailyMail ran yesterday?


16 posted on 01/15/2014 1:53:47 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: Still Thinking

poorly trained on how to deal with the stress of a major event.

he probably saw the body and then forgot about her as he had too many other things to process.

I can’t believe he would just run her over on purpose.


17 posted on 01/15/2014 1:54:07 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: GeronL

I am beginning to wonder if ANYONE in government tells the truth EVER.

Its just lie lie lie lie lie...

THEY HAD THIS FOR MONTHS.


18 posted on 01/15/2014 1:55:00 PM PST by gaijin
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To: gaijin

Yep. The people at the top who were denying it and then said the girl was not visible and all that in the city and airport authority probably had this video from the first couple of days. Lied lied lied.

There need to be criminal charges for that.


19 posted on 01/15/2014 1:57:53 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL
Geroul @6: "Nothing but lies from the city since then"

Lies from a Demonrat-controlled government bureaucracy... it's like finding out the pope is a Roman Catholic.

20 posted on 01/15/2014 1:58:27 PM PST by Carl Vehse
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To: GeronL
"was ran over"

Perfect.

21 posted on 01/15/2014 2:01:06 PM PST by TangoLimaSierra (To win the country back, we need to be as mean as the libs say we are.)
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To: GeronL

Here is the story the UK DailyMail ran...
*snip*
Never-before-seen footage from the frantic aftermath of Asiana Airlines Flight 214 runway crash in July reveals that firefighters tragically did not realize that a 16-year-old victim was still alive - only to run her over twice 15 minutes later.

Video from a camera mounted on a San Francisco firetruck shows at least two emergency workers alerting vehicles to go around Chinese student Ye Meng Yuan as she lay on the ground by the stricken aircraft. The first responders believed she was dead and did not check her vital signs.

One lieutenant told crash investigators that she made ‘a three second’ visual assessment of Miss Yuan and automatically assumed ‘that’s our first casualty’ - without putting a finger to her pulse or checking if she was still breathing.

Less than 15 minutes after the first driver had seen Miss Yuan, they drove over the teen who was now covered in the foam being used to douse the burning plane. Moments later, a second fire truck rode over the student’s body.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2539644/Horrifying-new-footage-reveals-firefighters-ignored-16-year-old-Asiana-Flight-214-crash-survivor-lay-burning-plane-run-TWICE-15-minutes-later.html


22 posted on 01/15/2014 2:01:23 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: TangoLimaSierra

Twenty-one posts til someone gets it.


23 posted on 01/15/2014 2:05:29 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Irenic

bump


24 posted on 01/15/2014 2:08:02 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Nah, it stuck out to me first time I read it, just didn’t think it postworthy given that it’s from a purfeshunal urinalist.


25 posted on 01/15/2014 2:08:08 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: GeronL

Should people really have big hikes to their property taxes because a rescue worker makes an honest mistake?


26 posted on 01/15/2014 2:14:59 PM PST by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Until.

; )


27 posted on 01/15/2014 2:16:03 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Mount Athos

“Mistake” is such a harsh word. Can’t we just call it an “oopsy?” /s


28 posted on 01/15/2014 2:17:29 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Mount Athos

I wasn’t talking about the rescue worker. City officials had this video and info immediately after the incidence and lied and lied and lied and lied for months.

Those officials are the ones who need to be in prison as far as I am concerned.


29 posted on 01/15/2014 2:17:44 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL

The question wasn’t in response to anything you said, was asking generally about the lawsuit of the family against the city.


30 posted on 01/15/2014 2:23:27 PM PST by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Still Thinking

You win.


31 posted on 01/15/2014 2:34:33 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Mount Athos

I always say the money should come from those who decided to deny, lie and cover it up. Not from tax payers.


32 posted on 01/15/2014 2:34:39 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL
As sad as that incident was I'm willing to assume that that girl's death was a tragic accident,rather than negligence,unless I see convincing proof to the contrary.Even if the girl' body *was* visible they may well have assumed she was dead.

My thinking is basically..."fog of war".

33 posted on 01/15/2014 2:37:46 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: GeronL
The video shows about 15 minutes after a fire rig driver was first alerted

I hope the driver's presumed prosecution and sentence aren't left up to public opinion based on videos..........

34 posted on 01/15/2014 2:38:13 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Miss Muffit suffered from arachnophobia.....)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I hope its not based on the lies told by the authorities since it happened.

I doubt anyone gets prosecuted in a criminal court.


35 posted on 01/15/2014 2:39:30 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Mount Athos

First responders are frequently adrenalin junkies with this “out of my way; I’m on a mission to save the world” attitude of entitlement. I was almost taken out by one (and had unpleasant encounters with multiple others) after Katrina.


36 posted on 01/15/2014 2:52:02 PM PST by Romulus
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To: Mount Athos

A city or any other gubmit is as responsible as any company for actions by their authorized personnel while on the job.

The citizens, by electing the gubmit officials, gave tacit approval to their actions or failures in this case, same as any other employer. If they don’t think they can reasonably manage on the citizens behalf, the citizens should replace them.


37 posted on 01/15/2014 3:15:59 PM PST by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: X-spurt

“A city or any other gubmit is as responsible as any company for actions by their authorized personnel while on the job.”

Looks like it depends on which state:

The idea behind domestic sovereign immunity—also called governmental tort immunity — is to prevent money judgments against the government, as such judgments would have to be paid with taxpayers’ dollars. As an example, a private citizen who is injured by another private citizen who runs a red light generally may sue the other driver for Negligence. But under a strict sovereign immunity doctrine, a private citizen who is injured by a city employee driving a city bus has no Cause of Action against the city unless the city, by ordinance, specifically allows such a suit.

Governmental tort immunity is codified at the federal level by the Federal Tort Claims Act (28 U.S.C.A. § 1291 [1946]), and most states and local governments have similar statutes. Courts and legislatures in many states have greatly restricted, and in some cases have abolished, the doctrine of governmental tort immunity.


38 posted on 01/15/2014 3:28:52 PM PST by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: X-spurt

i found a complete chart showing government liability differences by state

http://www.ncsl.org/research/transportation/state-sovereign-immunity-and-tort-liability.aspx


39 posted on 01/15/2014 3:31:03 PM PST by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Gay State Conservative
I agree with your assessment. The girl was initially visible and presumed dead after a cursory examination. The firefighters were preoccupied with the possibility of major fire and explosions, and unleashed hundreds or even thousands of gallons of foam, some of which covered the woman. Then - some ten or fifteen minutes later - she was run over. I can't see this as anything but a tragedy, and I think it would be a crime to file criminal or even civil charges in this case.

I haven't followed this closely, so I don't know what officials said, but the girl was NOT visible at the time she was run over, and she was NOT run over by the vehicle shown in the video, or at least not in the time-frame shown in the video. I think some people here are jumping all over city officials just because this happened in San Francisco.
40 posted on 01/15/2014 3:41:33 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Gay State Conservative
As sad as that incident was I'm willing to assume that that girl's death was a tragic accident,rather than negligence,unless I see convincing proof to the contrary.Even if the girl' body *was* visible they may well have assumed she was dead.

They did assume that the victim was dead:

One lieutenant told crash investigators that she made ‘a three second’ visual assessment of Miss Yuan and automatically assumed ‘that’s our first casualty’ - without putting a finger to her pulse or checking if she was still breathing.

And that's where the negligence part comes in. Nobody, let alone a lieutenant of firefighters, can just look at an undamaged body and say "Oh, she must be dead, let's move on." A reasonable person would immediately call medics and then start CPR (or whatever else is required, like stopping the loss of blood) until medevac shows up and takes the victim away. They couldn't possibly be unable to spare one person to take care of this. The lieutenant had other things to do, of course, but she had an obvious duty to not leave a victim in danger. She had a radio, and she had other firefighters under her command. Probably the girl would be better off if she was just picked up from the ground, as she was, and thrown into the cab of a fire truck head over heels - that can't take more than ten seconds.

41 posted on 01/15/2014 4:03:31 PM PST by Greysard
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To: Steve_Seattle

Horribly negligent fire lieutenant. The taxpayers who allow incompetent and liars to be on the payroll should pay.


42 posted on 01/15/2014 4:21:34 PM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: hoosierham

Further, sovereign immunity is not compatible with true justice. Everyone should bear responsibility for their acts.If the act was ordered by someone the actor still could refuse.


43 posted on 01/15/2014 4:26:51 PM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Irenic

Their only child... Absolutely horrible.


44 posted on 01/15/2014 7:30:58 PM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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