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For some idiots, there just aren't enough guns on university campuses
The Manchester Guardian ^ | January 15, 2014 | Professor Diane Roberts

Posted on 01/15/2014 4:53:56 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

American universities are places of art and music, gleaming labs and fine old buildings, famous libraries and fancy football stadiums, old traditions and new thinking, beauty, youth and brains – about everything you could want. Except guns. Apparently, there just aren't enough guns in those ivy-covered halls.

Never fear: second amendment fundamentalists mean to correct what they see as the sad paucity of weapons on campus. In Florida, a gaggle of true believers calling themselves Florida Carry busies itself arguing that institutions of higher learning have no right to ban guns on their taxpayer-funded property. I mean, why wouldn't you want to pack heat in a class like Organic Chemistry II? Florida Carry's attack is gradual: last year they prevailed in a suit to let students at the University of North Florida stash guns in their cars; this year, they're aiming to force the University of Florida to allow its 50,000 students to keep guns in their dormitories.

Genius! Imagine: students living six to a hutch, hopped up on Red Bull, vodka, stress, lust, Adderall, Spicy Chipotle BBQ Doritos, MIA and Grand Theft Auto 5. Now add a few .38s and maybe a deer rifle or two. The stakes in those passionate late-night debates over the origin of the universe suddenly get a lot higher.

Of course, Florida is no stranger to gun controversies. George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin for walking while hoodied....

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; college; education; florida
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Who still carries a .38? Guess she's hooked on reruns of Andy Griffith, Dragnet and Highway Patrol.
1 posted on 01/15/2014 4:53:56 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And knee-jerk liberal idiot sheeple cannot recognize the difference between a criminal with a gun and an honest citizen with a gun.


2 posted on 01/15/2014 4:56:15 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The War on Drugs has been used as an excuse to steal your rights. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Then there are the idiots who advocate responding to the use of guns by criminals by disarming law-abiding citizens.

And the funny thing is, that group thinks they're geniuses.

3 posted on 01/15/2014 4:56:21 PM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Manchester? lol. What’s next? Condemnation from Timbuktu?


4 posted on 01/15/2014 4:58:19 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Funny how there used to be all sorts of guns on campus and nothing like what the author’s overworked imagination has produced ever happened. I’m guessing Professor Roberts’ field isn’t history.


5 posted on 01/15/2014 4:59:01 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
For some idiots, Chicago having the strictest gun control laws and an astronomical gun murder rate proves that gun control works, and states with concealed carry and declining rates proves that guns are bad.
6 posted on 01/15/2014 4:59:14 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I don’t know who this idiot professor is, but teaching at Florida State Un., says a lot about her (check out stories about crime down there, jihadist/CAIR activities, etc).

So she calls Jews for the Preservation of Gun Rights “nuts”. Perhaps she should read a little history of, say, Germany, 1930’s.

It is people like her who allowed the Holocaust to occur.

Thanks Diane. My relatives who died in Auschwitz and Belzec curse you forever!


7 posted on 01/15/2014 5:02:36 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Billthedrill

Diane Roberts is a writer and broadcaster. A native Floridian, she was educated at Oxford where she was a Marshall scholar. She broadcasts regularly for the BBC and National Public Radio in America, and writes for newspapers such as the Washington Post, the New York Times and the St Petersburg Times. She is also professor of literature and writing at Florida State University and the author of four books, the most recent of which is Dream State, a political history of Florida

8 posted on 01/15/2014 5:02:39 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Who still carries a .38?

I have a very nice snub nose S&W that I like to carry when I am wearing a pair of shorts and a t-shirt. It doesn't profile as much as the Colt 1911 and has much more stopping power than the Erma Excam .22 I "bought for my wife."

9 posted on 01/15/2014 5:02:55 PM PST by verga (Poor spiritual health often leads to poor physical and mental health)
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To: Viennacon
The Guardian is one of the major newspapers in the United Kingdom and probably the furthest left of them.
10 posted on 01/15/2014 5:04:04 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They sound a little under-armed to me. Not even a carbine?


11 posted on 01/15/2014 5:04:26 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: verga

Too bad about them all going overboard in that “fishing accident” huh?


12 posted on 01/15/2014 5:04:56 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Incrementalism cuts both ways. We’re rolling back years of left-wing social policy one court victory at a time, which results in screeds like this. Sweet.


13 posted on 01/15/2014 5:05:39 PM PST by Spirochete (Does the FedGov have the attributes of a legitimate government?)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Joe would recommend a shotgun, wouldn’t he?


14 posted on 01/15/2014 5:05:44 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Just can’t say it better than that, guy!


15 posted on 01/15/2014 5:06:00 PM PST by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My wife carries a pair of 38s. And she has a really big gun, too.


16 posted on 01/15/2014 5:06:51 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hey, Roberts ..... ever hear of Dunblane? What price a Webley in some teacher's desk, when that guy went batsh*t and started shooting little kids?

Pull yourselves together, libs. You're getting deranged.

17 posted on 01/15/2014 5:07:01 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah, that’s what I thought. She doesn’t even write very well.


18 posted on 01/15/2014 5:07:48 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Lurker
My wife carries a pair of 38s. And she has a really big gun, too.

What, you don't strap the big gun in the family?

19 posted on 01/15/2014 5:08:09 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin for walking while hoodied....

Diane, you are either a liar or a moron. Which is it?

20 posted on 01/15/2014 5:08:22 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The rhetoric of this diatribe is over-the-top funny!


21 posted on 01/15/2014 5:08:24 PM PST by Darteaus94025 (Can't have a Liberal without a Lie)
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To: lentulusgracchus

I said big, not biggest. LOL.


22 posted on 01/15/2014 5:08:47 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Who still carries a .38?

Me. They are comfortable, light and reliable.

23 posted on 01/15/2014 5:09:44 PM PST by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"She broadcasts regularly for the BBC and National Public Radio in America, and writes for newspapers such as the Washington Post, the New York Times and the St Petersburg Times."

She really ought to get out more. Sounds like the hypoxia is starting to get to her.

24 posted on 01/15/2014 5:09:44 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Where’s the barf alert? I almost lost my dinner.


25 posted on 01/15/2014 5:10:14 PM PST by deputytess (Men of the West .....stand and FIGHT!)
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To: Lurker

Oh, my. Well, how do you convince her you’re really glad to see her? ;)


26 posted on 01/15/2014 5:10:24 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wow, the college I went to in the early 80’s had a range in the basement of one of the buildings. I would go out to the parking lot before class, get my .22 pistol, and go shoot. No SWAT teams ever showed up or were called.


27 posted on 01/15/2014 5:10:52 PM PST by Clay Moore ("To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." ~Voltaire)
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To: TigersEye
Diane, you are either a liar or a moron. Which is it?

Liar. She knows better. Hell, so does everybody, even the liars who are lying about it.

28 posted on 01/15/2014 5:11:23 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And some people just can’t stop themselves from shooting their arguments in the knees.

What I read in the excerpt was ALL emotion and emotional triggers. And for me, that was enough to not read any further and just turned her right off.


29 posted on 01/15/2014 5:13:03 PM PST by The Working Man
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Who still carries a .38? Guess she's hooked on reruns of Andy Griffith, Dragnet and Highway Patrol.

A backup piece in the ankle holster.
30 posted on 01/15/2014 5:14:06 PM PST by Old Yeller
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Children Against Gun Control:


31 posted on 01/15/2014 5:15:05 PM PST by Darteaus94025 (Can't have a Liberal without a Lie)
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To: Lurker

Which guns are which?


32 posted on 01/15/2014 5:16:48 PM PST by Right Wing Assault
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To: TigersEye
Diane, you are either a liar or a moron. Which is it?

Why pick, I tend to think she is both based on the article.

33 posted on 01/15/2014 5:16:49 PM PST by verga (Poor spiritual health often leads to poor physical and mental health)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So far it seems those that don’t believe in Gun Free Zone signs have all the guns.


34 posted on 01/15/2014 5:17:59 PM PST by SkyDancer ("How Can People Ask Forgiveness If They Won't Forgive Others?")
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To: Billthedrill
I’m guessing Professor Roberts’ field isn’t history.

Or logic. She's just an anti-2nd fundamentalist, though, so what can we expect?

35 posted on 01/15/2014 5:18:27 PM PST by Right Wing Assault
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
According to "Professor" Diane Roberts it is so much more dignified and morally superior to be unarmed and murdered in a gun free zone than to be armed and fight back.

FN idiot b!tch.

36 posted on 01/15/2014 5:20:14 PM PST by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
American universities are places of art and music, gleaming labs and fine old buildings, famous libraries and fancy football stadiums, old traditions and new thinking, beauty, youth and brains – about everything you could want.

And being gun free zones they are also excellent hunting grounds for rapist and muggers.

37 posted on 01/15/2014 5:20:20 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As long as there are liberals, real Americans will need guns for protection. You can never housebreaking a rabid animal.


38 posted on 01/15/2014 5:24:13 PM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I cary a Colt Detective Special in an ankle holster as a back-up.The Gold Dot loads will do a lot of damage up close.


39 posted on 01/15/2014 5:24:21 PM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

To quote Heinlein:

‘An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.’


40 posted on 01/15/2014 5:24:47 PM PST by x1stcav ("The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It must be a symptom of whatever disease causes leftsm that they all project. This little lady can’t imagine having a gun and not using it when angry. No one who knows me would claim I’m a stranger to anger. I’ve never broken out a gun and shot anyone, however.


41 posted on 01/15/2014 5:25:05 PM PST by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No doubt another angry feminist subject, raving and raging with penis AND Gun envy. Sucks to be her.


42 posted on 01/15/2014 5:26:32 PM PST by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
She is hooked on stupid.

I my GI bill to attend a gunsmithing school on a college campus. There were hundreds of guns and the ammo for them all around us every day. This was on the campus of a public college with many other areas of instruction being taught and many students who were not in the gunsmithing program attending that school. There were students doing homework on guns in the dorms and openly carrying firearms from the gunshop to their vehicles all the time. We had a clearing barrel right outside of the door of the gunshop where we would fire rifles, shotguns, and handguns for function tests. There was no panic from the gunshots, no crimes committed with firearms, and no complaints from the other students. That facility at that college is still there and teaching gunsmithing today.

We also did not have crazy people bringing weapons on campus and shooting innocent students. The students and the community knew that the gunsmithing students and instructors were there and all had immediate access to firearms. I have to wonder how these gun grabbing Nazis can make this situation/reality/fact fit in with their totally irrational and unproven Bu11 $hit theories about guns on campus.

There is more than one college in our nation that teaches gunsmithing on campus. The courses require many tens of different firearms for each student to work on. Each student is required to provide all of these weapons for themselves. Every student, by course requirement, has what would now be referred to as an arsenal. With those hundreds of guns readily accessible to thirty to forty students and staff there were no murders, treats with a weapon or accidental discharges on that campus.

The icing on the cake is that this is going on to this day on a California college campus. I hope the anti-gun, lying, zealots choke on this truth and reality. I do thank them for their paying taxes that paid my GI Bill so I could attend this fine program and complete my professional certificate.

43 posted on 01/15/2014 5:26:43 PM PST by oldenuff2no ( Retired AB Ranger, 23 years active duty.)
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To: lentulusgracchus; verga

Just giving her a fair choice. She is probably both but I’m willing to let her make the call. ;-)


44 posted on 01/15/2014 5:29:30 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
amongst the authorettes other great accomplishments...


45 posted on 01/15/2014 5:30:14 PM PST by MeshugeMikey (This Message NOT Approved By The N.S.A.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Your relatives don’t need to curse her. She’s cursed herself... she’s an unhappy soul.

Defending what God has blessed is another blessing of God. God gets awfully peeved when people try to block blessings that He has sworn.

But God also gets awfully peeved when we try to solve the problem by standing on our own pride.

The supernatural logjam on blessings needs to get cleared if we really want the blessings. Coming to God as a little child works better than all the grownup schemes in the world.


46 posted on 01/15/2014 5:38:14 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar for you if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Another leftist moron hoping to peddle more red herrings & oversimplified statist crap to the masses.

It seems as though highly educated university professors are among the most ignorant bumpkins in the country.

47 posted on 01/15/2014 5:39:00 PM PST by skeeter
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To: TigersEye

We’ve seen this ad nauseum. Because GZ did not take the maximum of precautions (and granted he could have, but still TW had the biggest cloud hanging over him), GW is getting scapegoated with all the blame. Little spats between him and his girlfriend are being blown up into national affairs now.


48 posted on 01/15/2014 5:40:01 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar for you if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Viennacon

WOW! Next thing ya know they’ll be outlawing “gayness” in Nigeria or something and really give the guardian something to whine about. Oh, wait. That already happened and the biggest whiner so far is john f’n kerry-heinz.


49 posted on 01/15/2014 5:41:12 PM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In 2007, one of our most prolific mass murderers, Seung-Hui Cho, killed 32 people at Virginia Tech. Another armed person may have cut his killing spree short.


50 posted on 01/15/2014 5:41:51 PM PST by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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