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NSA programme in 100K computers around world allows them to hack even when not connected to Internet
The London Daily Mail / The Associated Press ^ | January 15, 2014

Posted on 01/15/2014 8:17:02 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

The National Security Agency has implanted software in nearly 100,000 computers around the world - but not in the United States - that allows the U.S. to conduct surveillance on those machines, The New York Times reported Tuesday.

The Times cited NSA documents, computer experts and U.S. officials in its report about the use of secret technology using radio waves to gain access to computers that other countries have tried to protect from spying or cyberattacks....

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: nsa; obama; snowden; surveillance
* The spy agency claims none of the computers are in the United States
* The spy software could create a digital highway for launching cyberattacks
* Parts of the program were disclosed on documents leaked by Edward Snowden
1 posted on 01/15/2014 8:17:02 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

These radio chips were installed covertly in computers of our potential enemies, that’s what our spy guys are supposed to do to protect us. Our guys did good and now Snowdon has leaked it to our detriment, treason. Loose lips sink ships.


2 posted on 01/15/2014 8:30:05 PM PST by RicocheT (Where neither their property nor their honor is touched, most men live content, Niccolo Machiavelli)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Ah, but we wouldn’t do THAT within the United States, AH NO WAY...!”

It’s sort of amusing, the concept that ANYONE would listen to any of the NSA’s claims, in view of their track record.

Their TOP GUY lied in front of Congress point-blank —a felony— with NO consequences.

NSA: “How are you today..?”

Me: “How SHOULD I be..? Cuz THAT is how I am.”


3 posted on 01/15/2014 8:37:12 PM PST by gaijin
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To: RicocheT

They only claim that they haven’t put these chips in American machines.
How much do we want to trust this claim?

I’m sorry, but [classic] American jurisprudence is based on the idea that it is better for the guilty to get off scott-free than to punish the innocent.
It is therefore anti-American to spy on everyone so that they can catch the one “bad guy” — but this is that agency’s whole MO now.


4 posted on 01/15/2014 8:39:28 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The rot goes back much further than most people suspect. The OSS pre-dated the CIA, founded by Bill Donovan.

Donovan was the law-school best buddy of FDR, and like FDR, he was an ardent believer in Big Government.

The people in intel BELIEVE in government programs of almost any type, and that is generally true of General officers, too.

Few of them believe in the 2nd Amendment, for example.

“THE ENEMY” IS **US**.


5 posted on 01/15/2014 8:41:44 PM PST by gaijin
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To: gaijin

My late father’s full-time job at Southern Bell in the late 60’s was tapping phones at the frame and he was not alone.


6 posted on 01/15/2014 8:45:51 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: RicocheT

Spare me. The NSA has not been “our” guys for quite sometime; but by all means, you keep living in that fantasy land if it helps you sleep at night.


7 posted on 01/15/2014 9:03:42 PM PST by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: RicocheT

They WILL put one of these in every computer in America the second they find a way to do it clandestinely, if they haven’t already.

Geesh.


8 posted on 01/15/2014 9:03:57 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Now you know why your laptop battery runs down so quickly - even when you’re not using your computer.


9 posted on 01/15/2014 9:09:54 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

Not laptop, phone.


10 posted on 01/15/2014 9:13:42 PM PST by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
NSA programme in 100K computers around world allows them to hack even when not connected to Internet

They can be hacked when they're not even plugged in. Even if they're smashed to bits and laying in a pile of smoldering rubble.

11 posted on 01/15/2014 9:16:20 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sounds like a hoax.

Radio waves.... please.


12 posted on 01/15/2014 9:32:16 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: sickoflibs

It’s being reported all over the media, not just this article.


13 posted on 01/15/2014 9:34:22 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
RD :”The Times reported that the technology, used by the agency for several years, relies on radio waves that can be transmitted from tiny circuit boards and USB cards inserted covertly into the computers.”

The same radio waves that tin foil hates can protect our brains from?

14 posted on 01/15/2014 9:35:28 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
RE :”It’s being reported all over the media, not just this article.”

This one sounds ridiculous.

15 posted on 01/15/2014 9:38:04 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: sickoflibs

What do you think of reports that they’re intercepting electronics in transit and planting some kind of bugs in them?


16 posted on 01/15/2014 9:40:22 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
RE :”What do you think of reports that they’re intercepting electronics in transit and planting some kind of bugs in them?”

That could happen (no way to prove its not with no information on it) but that alone couldn't make the crazy things that post claims happen.

17 posted on 01/15/2014 9:46:34 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So if I “hack” I get thrown in jail but these D-bags get to do it with impunity on the basis of some sort of national security.
yea ok....


18 posted on 01/15/2014 10:41:37 PM PST by mowowie
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So AP and the NYT are now cool for going after our Intelligence? To Hell with both of these MSM agents — the Country’s greatest threat!

Snap out of it, the NSA is not the enemy.


19 posted on 01/15/2014 10:46:56 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric
The simple truth of the matter a typical telephone never has been secure where someone else could not listen in. Phones started out on Party Lines. You shared a line with 2/4/ or 8 parties. The private home phone came about in the 1950's to cities and didn't get into some rural areas til the 1980's.

But there's more the modern systems with electronic carrier systems are not secure. A few years ago my phone line for my computer was acting up. I listened and could hear cross talk. Not real loud but enough to tell it was my neighbor. So I paid him a visit and warned him the lines were messed up somewhere. That got fixed.

Now people worry about their phone calls and other devices being bugged by NSA and rightfully so. NSA should not be listening without a warrant. BUT there are or were technological issues where your neighbors could hear inside your house and it wasn't from your phone.

The early days of wireless home communication and monitoring devices were analog non encrypted. Cordless phones were such as were Baby Monitors and intercoms among other things. Another monitor could have picked up all that was going on. Early cell phones up till digital was the same way. Remember what happened to Newt? A couple with a police scanner heard his cell phone calls. Now a scanner with that capability soon became illegal to sell except there was another glitch in older scanners where you picked up imaging or a frequency usually 10.something MHZ higher than the frequency you were monitoring. Thus analog cell phones were still vulnerable.

My dad was a 45 year Ma Bell worker. He told me a long, long, time ago be careful what you say on the phone and what information you give others can use.

I remember in the Navy when we were in port all phones had to be answered with your shop name, your name and rank and then say "This is a non secure line".

20 posted on 01/15/2014 11:37:55 PM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: cva66snipe

>> NSA should not be listening without a warrant.

Of course. And thanks for the brief accounts concerning sharing and exposures.

My financial transactions say more about me than I can ever say on a phone call; yet, we all (most) transact without the slightest concern for privacy.

This NSA charade is BS. It’s the privacy scapegoat for the ACA as far as I’m concerned.


21 posted on 01/15/2014 11:48:39 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: sickoflibs
Radio waves.... please.

Wi-Fi, bluetooth, cordless phones all work on just radio waves, what is the problem?

22 posted on 01/16/2014 12:19:04 AM PST by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I'm not at all surprised that rf is used widely for data snooping.

The NRO has launched several satellites to geosynchronous orbit. These sats have very large dish antennas pointed downward. The antennas unfurl like large umbrellas to form a dish of about 350ft diameter. These can be seen as bright stationary objects against a moving star field with good amateur telescopes.

They don't even bother trying to keep it all secret since everyone can see them and the security services of other countries are fully aware of them.

I suspect that the figure of 100,000 devices worldwide being snooped on by rf is far less than the reality.

They would like for people to believe that the rf emitted by these bugged devices is picked up by drones or field agents with briefcase radios..lol The large NRO sats are what is used IMO... just imagine 100,000+ guys running around with briefcase radios :-)

I'd say a good rule of thumb is if an rf source placed on one side of a desk can be picked up by a good scanner placed on the opposite side then it can be picked up by the NRO sats. The gain of a dish that large is incredible and the low-noise amps that would be used add even more gain.

If the rf 'bug' was emitting an extremely weak signal or if it was transmitting from a location that only allowed a small fraction of the signal to get out then it could still be used to send data if the data rate was very slow. The slow rate would allow for good detection even if the signal was well below the noise floor. Data would be sent by simply switching the carrier on and off in a sort of Morse code fashion.

Cell phones offer more ways to snoop beyond the capture of actual voice/data using the cell system. In many smart phones if you tinker with the firmware code you can emit a signal outside the normal cell and bluetooth frequencies. The cell and bluetooth frequencies are too saturated with rf to be of any use but if you move a bit beyond those noisy frequencies then the rf is easily received. Altering the frequency of a smart phone would allow you to use it as a satellite phone in an emergency. Just alter the firmware to enable encrypted voice/data and operation outside normal frequencies.

The wifi and bluetooth equipment in your average laptop computer may also possibly be moved out of band by a firmware change...I'm not certain as I have not looked into this possibility but it wouldn't surprise me. This would defeat an air-gap setup. All sorts of things are possible when you have such big ears listening from space :-)

23 posted on 01/16/2014 3:21:05 AM PST by Bobalu (The true secret to genius is in creativity, not in technical mechanics - Richard Feynman)
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To: RicocheT
These radio chips were installed covertly in computers of our potential enemies,

newsflash....white middle class Constitutionalists & Christians are now considered enemies and terrorists

Does anyone believe for a moment it stopped outside our borders?

24 posted on 01/16/2014 3:41:57 AM PST by Revelation 911
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RE :”Wi-Fi, bluetooth, cordless phones all work on just radio waves, what is the problem? “

My cell phone doesn't work in my office.
You know Why?
Because is a big building between it and the cell phone tower.
They don't make it through that building.

Radio waves are not magic, but those who think they are will believe anything, as this proves.

I still remember all those hoax claims that the 2009 credit card reform bill would result in me paying monthly fee for my credit card like the old days, FNC was big on that. Many here bought that hoax.

25 posted on 01/16/2014 5:17:04 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: sickoflibs
Because is a big building between it and the cell phone tower.

However if they were using a computer in that building across from you to send the signal, then the building would not be a problem, it would be a booster.

Believe what you want.

26 posted on 01/16/2014 10:10:00 AM PST by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: itsahoot
RE :”However if they were using a computer in that building across from you to send the signal, then the building would not be a problem, it would be a booster.”

Radio waves still magic to you I see.
You missed the part where radio waves don't go through all matter. And they require antennas too.

27 posted on 01/16/2014 10:17:01 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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