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'Pay to play' on the Web?: Net neutrality explained(If your ISP doesn't like FR...)
CNN ^ | 1/15/2014 | CNN

Posted on 01/16/2014 3:02:33 PM PST by Dallas59

How would you like to have to pay a fee to be able to stream YouTube videos at full speed? What if you liked downloading music from, say, Last.fm or Soundcloud, but those sites suddenly became infinitely slower than bigger sites like Amazon or iTunes?

Those are the kind of major changes to the Internet some folks are envisioning after a federal court ruling this week on what's come to be called "net neutrality."

This stuff can get really confusing, with all the government jargon, Internet lingo and competing arguments mixed up in it.

But it's also really important and could rework the Web as we know it -- like allowing the hypothetical situations above become realities.

Here's a breakdown of what this week's ruling could mean to you.

What is "net neutrality?"

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: blocking; internet; netneutrality; service

1 posted on 01/16/2014 3:02:33 PM PST by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59

Basically proponents want the net to be treated like a utility, like the sidewalk. You can’t block the sidewalk at some places just because that place couldn’t pay the same as others or more for access.


2 posted on 01/16/2014 3:07:10 PM PST by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: Dallas59

If it’s from CNN it’s got Mack Daddy spin all over it.


3 posted on 01/16/2014 3:07:42 PM PST by RingerSIX (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccine that they offer down at our Church.)
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To: Dallas59

I’ve read elsewhere that it’s lobbyists for ISPs that have prevented the easiest solution to the net neutrality issue—declaring ISPs “common carriers,” similar to the legal rulings about freight trains back in the 19th and 20th centuries.


4 posted on 01/16/2014 3:08:22 PM PST by The Grammarian
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To: Dallas59

Start your own ISP then.

No company has done this, and there has been no evidence that they will or even want to.

But I guess we have to act like libs and cry for more government in order to save FR from being blocked by a so far unnamed ISP.


5 posted on 01/16/2014 3:10:24 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Salo; JosephW; Only1choice____Freedom; amigatec; Still Thinking; ...

6 posted on 01/16/2014 3:11:43 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: VanDeKoik

How will you know if FR gets throttled?

I don’t think the ISP will release a list of throttled sites, for obvious reasons.


7 posted on 01/16/2014 3:13:09 PM PST by Yossarian
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To: VanDeKoik
Oh please. Verizon is all over this like white on rice.

This was a huge win for them and you can expect to see them start setting up toll booths in the near future.

Others will follow.

8 posted on 01/16/2014 3:13:13 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: RingerSIX

Sounds like people want more free chit and their ever loving big gubmint to make it ‘fair’.


9 posted on 01/16/2014 3:17:26 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: Dallas59

I think this may hurt smartphones and their data plans most. Back to the 90s I guess.


10 posted on 01/16/2014 3:17:48 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Dallas59

For sure, VPN providers will take off. I use HMA(Hide My Ass).

Your traffic is encrypted from your computer to the VPN Site. Much more secure than a proxy service.

From the VPN Site to the final destination and back is untracable to your ISP. All they see is You to the VPN and back.

You can even make your Router the starting point giving your whole house access.

I used it last year when I was traveling a lot and found it to be excellent.


11 posted on 01/16/2014 3:18:17 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: VanDeKoik
Gubmint is benevolent and cares about us .

/sarc

12 posted on 01/16/2014 3:18:33 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: Dallas59

The ruling is a DISASTER. Not only will it destroy the uniformity of the internet, sites (like this one) can end up being blocked.

There is nothing good about this ruling.


13 posted on 01/16/2014 3:20:08 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: Dallas59

or if you press “skip ad” the video plays slower or something like that


15 posted on 01/16/2014 3:22:35 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Dallas59

If democrats and the New York Times have taken aposition, I’m on the OTHER side.

Liberals know how to lie so a person thinks what’s horrible is good. That’s who and what they are...

So, what’s the position of the New York Times, Washington Post and NBC on this issue?


16 posted on 01/16/2014 3:24:05 PM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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To: Dallas59

If democrats and the New York Times have taken a
position, I’m on the OTHER side.

Liberals know how to lie so a person thinks what’s horrible is good. That’s who and what they are...

So, what’s the position of the New York Times, Washington Post and NBC on this issue?


17 posted on 01/16/2014 3:24:30 PM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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To: TurboZamboni

And the big monopolys have your best interest in mind?


18 posted on 01/16/2014 3:36:22 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Dallas59

The arguement for net nuetrality:

I have 3 different high speed internet provideres in my area but rather than allow free market competition to keep companies from pulling shenanigans I want the government to get invovled and regulate becuase that always works out great.


19 posted on 01/16/2014 3:36:36 PM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: ShadowAce

If it starts, expect the wireless networks to be the first. That’s where bandwidth is really a precious commodity, and the freedom of choice to switch carriers is most limited.


20 posted on 01/16/2014 3:37:48 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: ShadowAce

If it starts, expect the wireless networks to be the first. That’s where bandwidth is really a precious commodity, and the freedom of choice to switch carriers is most limited.


21 posted on 01/16/2014 3:37:48 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: driftdiver

What monopoly is bigger than government?

I like my odds with the ISPs better.


22 posted on 01/16/2014 3:39:12 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Yes, but if enough people do that, they will just raise the rates on all traffic to the vpn providers.


23 posted on 01/16/2014 3:39:29 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
My initial kneejerk is I don't intend hiding from the fascist bastards, but thanks for that info; will give it some thought .. might be some tactical value therein.
24 posted on 01/16/2014 3:40:11 PM PST by tomkat
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To: driftdiver

I believe a free market monopoly forcing me pay more or to choose different products and services is much less harmful (espescially in the long run) than the government telling me what my options are.


25 posted on 01/16/2014 3:41:15 PM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: ShadowAce

Verizon hasn’t done anything. And to suggest that they may is just conspiracy theories. They aren’t even really an ISP anyway.

And how are these guys supposed to pull this off? There are billions of websites, but magically the ISPs are going to somehow put up “toll booths”? To which ones? based on what? They dont even host these sites on servers under their control. Iran has a hard time blocking stuff, but Verizon will commit financial suicide in some fantasy attempt to make a buck off of Netflix?


26 posted on 01/16/2014 3:43:09 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: GOPJ

They supported the FCC, Obama & “Net Neutrality.” They may or may not be wrong, but their track record is not good.


27 posted on 01/16/2014 3:43:36 PM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: ShadowAce
Oh please. Verizon is all over this like white on rice.
Yep. People keep talking like this is going to result in their cable and DSL connections tightening things up, but this is really about the cell providers fear of being forced to open things up.
28 posted on 01/16/2014 3:46:19 PM PST by jdege
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

“From the VPN Site to the final destination and back is untracable to your ISP. All they see is You to the VPN and back.”

I think the issue is bandwidth. If the ISP sees something like a 5mbps constant stream, they’ll eventually throttle you regardless of the origin of the data. Of course, this would be after people are accustomed to being rate limited.

You’d also be an extremely rare case ... nobody would understand what you’re complaining about when they eventually throttle you back to 56kbps :-).


29 posted on 01/16/2014 3:51:57 PM PST by edh (I need a better tagline)
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To: VanDeKoik

“Verizon hasn’t done anything. And to suggest that they may is just conspiracy theories. They aren’t even really an ISP anyway....”
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Verizon not an ISP? I guess I’m confused. We have our home land-line phone service, cable (Verizon FiOS) AND internet provided by Verizon as a “package”. Does Verizon do the internet as a sub-contractor/front man for some other company?

Funny thing is we have our wireless cellular service from AT&T.


30 posted on 01/16/2014 3:55:14 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: 2nd amendment mama

How about this? Good grief!


31 posted on 01/16/2014 3:55:19 PM PST by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: VanDeKoik
No company has done this, and there has been no evidence that they will or even want to.

Time Warner Cable actually experimented with data caps--one of the feared outcomes of a non-neutral net--in 2008.

Why you could have to pay more for online gaming soon -- applies to non-gamers too.

32 posted on 01/16/2014 3:56:52 PM PST by The Grammarian
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To: RingerSIX

Agree


33 posted on 01/16/2014 3:58:20 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda¬óDivide and conquer seems to be working.)
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To: RightOnTheBorder
I have 3 different high speed internet provideres in my area but rather than allow free market competition to keep companies from pulling shenanigans I want the government to get invovled and regulate becuase that always works out great.

It actually did/does work out great in the case of "common carrier" freight trains, which is the closest analogy to what a neutral net would look like.

Also, what about those of us who don't have 3 different high speed internet providers in the area? The only high-speed provider I have available is Comcast. The other two possibilities are AT&T U-verse, which is DSL and not in the same ballpark as high-speed cable, and...HughesNet, which is a satellite provider. Oh, and I guess I could go back to dial-up with AOL.

34 posted on 01/16/2014 4:01:10 PM PST by The Grammarian
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To: TurboZamboni

The isp is basically telling the govt what to do. Very few regulations go in that the y dont help write.

Both the govt and big isps want this. They can control the web. They win we lose.


35 posted on 01/16/2014 4:18:22 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: RightOnTheBorder

That’s work solo well in the cell phone industry. Prices will go up. Freedom will go down.


36 posted on 01/16/2014 4:19:45 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Yossarian
"... How will you know if FR gets throttled?"

Moreover, on some days, how could you tell the difference?

(*cough*)

37 posted on 01/16/2014 4:37:23 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: The Grammarian

“The other two possibilities are AT&T U-verse, which is DSL and not in the same ballpark as high-speed cable”

Actually U-verse is optical fiber and is much, much faster than the DSL service that I have.


38 posted on 01/16/2014 4:37:36 PM PST by Pelham (Obamacare, the vanguard of Obammunism)
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To: Pelham
Actually U-verse is optical fiber and is much, much faster than the DSL service that I have.

I stand corrected.

Not sure where I got the idea that it was DSL. Probably because I remember looking for fiber optic alternatives to Comcast several years back and the only one out then was FiOS, which was not available in my area.

39 posted on 01/16/2014 4:47:11 PM PST by The Grammarian
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To: VanDeKoik
> there has been no evidence that they will or even want to.

First big laugh of the night.

Right, they spent lots of money on lawyers arguing for this for years because they don't want to do it.

Whaddya say we take another look at this in a year and see what actually transpires.

Meanwhile, dude, talk to your dealer. He's giving you bad stuff, and it's making you delusional.

40 posted on 01/16/2014 5:48:04 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...sounding pretty good about now.)
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To: dayglored

Ok?

Have they done anything? No.

Until guilty until proven innocent becomes the norm, I’m not going to convict these companies on what someone thinks they will do.


41 posted on 01/16/2014 6:29:23 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: VanDeKoik

What they’ve done is make it clear they want it. It doesn’t take Einstein to figure out why.

If a married man is seen in the company of a sexy younger woman who is not his wife, and talks glowingly about her, and spends lots of money on her, and argues for a divorce and spends a lot of time and money getting one, when he finally gets the decree, what do you think is going to happen?

You’re arguing that “well he hasn’t slept with the younger woman yet and shows no evidence of wanting to”. I think that’s naive to a laughable degree. The evidence is clear as glass.


42 posted on 01/16/2014 6:44:50 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...sounding pretty good about now.)
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To: PghBaldy

Thanks...


43 posted on 01/16/2014 8:09:03 PM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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