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Even Paul Ryan Can't Please Conservatives Anymore
National Journal ^ | 16 Jan 14 | Marina Koren

Posted on 01/16/2014 3:15:25 PM PST by SkyPilot

This week's spending-bill fight revealed deepening fractures within the GOP, spelling trouble for 2016.

Imagine the ground is splitting open beneath your feet. The rocking plates of earth slowly spread apart, and you're left straddling both sides to keep from falling in.

That is how some of the most publicly visible GOP lawmakers are feeling right now. They must choose whose side they're on: establishment Republicans or the far-right flank.

Ultraconservative groups are furious over the omnibus appropriations package that coasted through the Republican-led House on Wednesday. The bill, which would fund the government for the rest of the year, is expected to pass the Senate later this week, but conservatives are not done pushing back. They have put the Grand Old Party's most vocal members on the defensive on budget issues, and they're not mincing their words.

"I have often been proud to be a GOP-er, sometimes embarrassed, but never until today ashamed," said influential conservative talk-show host Hugh Hewitt during a heated interview with House Budget Committe Chairman and usual conservative darling Paul Ryan this week. For Hewitt, the most offending part of the spending bill is a 1 percentage point cut to annual cost-of-living increases, which translates into a pension cut that would affect active-duty members.

"If you think that I wanted to do this or enjoy doing this, that's not true," Ryan told Hewitt of the budget cuts. "Had Mitt [Romney] and I won that election, this would not be required. This would not be necessary." He added later, "Now do I want to do this? Did I think this was a great thing to do and what we needed to do? No, course not," he went on. Ryan did, of course, vote for the bill.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 113th; budget; conservatives; federalspending; military; nationaldebt; paulryan; rino; uniparty
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1 posted on 01/16/2014 3:15:26 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

You don’t have to be ultra conservative to be unhappy with the GOP screwing the veterans.


2 posted on 01/16/2014 3:18:03 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SkyPilot

By “Ultraconservative” this hack means the republican base which represents probably a quarter of all voters.


3 posted on 01/16/2014 3:18:24 PM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: SkyPilot

“Ultraconservative”

The prefix “ultra” must mean “we don’t like them”.


4 posted on 01/16/2014 3:18:51 PM PST by rightwingcrazy
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To: SkyPilot

RINO Ryan; RINO Cantor; RINO Boner; RINO Graham; RINO McCain; and the list goes on. They service each other while our troops and veterans get screwed over!


5 posted on 01/16/2014 3:19:01 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: SkyPilot
far-right flank. Ultraconservative groups

What gobbledygook!
6 posted on 01/16/2014 3:20:11 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: SkyPilot

Apparently, weightlifting doesn’t guarantee spinal integrity.


7 posted on 01/16/2014 3:20:41 PM PST by tomkat
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To: SkyPilot

Um, maybe because he isn’t acting like a conservative? Trying to sell us a budget increase as a cut? Allowing vet affairs to be chopped while doing NOTHING to stop Obamacare? No tears from me.


8 posted on 01/16/2014 3:21:02 PM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: SkyPilot

A lot of us considered him to be somewhat suspect all along.


9 posted on 01/16/2014 3:21:24 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SkyPilot

Why is it “ultra” conservative to think that continuing to throw trillions of tax dollars down the drain is a fair deal?


10 posted on 01/16/2014 3:21:29 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Too bad Ryan chose to end his political career. Clown.


11 posted on 01/16/2014 3:22:00 PM PST by NoRedTape
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To: SkyPilot
Even Paul Ryan Can't Please Conservatives Anymore

See, they're projecting. They pick their guy, usually just by checking for the approved letter after the name, and then they're done for life. No matter what the guy does, it's OK because they vetted him by checking the letter. They encounter someone with principles and don't know how to parse it.

12 posted on 01/16/2014 3:22:32 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: SkyPilot

FReep You Paul Ryan (FUPR)!!


13 posted on 01/16/2014 3:22:41 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: SkyPilot

What’s Ryan done that’s Conservative????

Who can respect a Republican who let Patty Murray roll him under her boots.


14 posted on 01/16/2014 3:22:52 PM PST by RginTN
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To: SkyPilot

Leftist agitprop.


15 posted on 01/16/2014 3:23:36 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Having some small say in who gets to hold the whip doesn't make you any less a slave.)
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To: SkyPilot
They must choose whose side they're on: establishment Republicans or the far-right flank.

Just because we want the govt to quit borrowing and spending outrageous amounts that we can never pay back? And we believe that our military personnel richly deserve every penny and should get everything they've earned, we're labeled the 'far right flank' and 'ultra conservatives'?

Screw these people.... That goes double for you Ryan, you phony jerk.

16 posted on 01/16/2014 3:29:44 PM PST by Bullish (America should yank Obama like a rotten tooth before he poisons the entire body)
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To: SkyPilot
butch patrick photo: Eddie Munster eddie-lg.jpg
17 posted on 01/16/2014 3:30:22 PM PST by Snickering Hound
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To: Bullish

You sound like a hobbit [/ Mcbackstabber mode], or possibly a racist! [/ Osama mode]


18 posted on 01/16/2014 3:31:55 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: SkyPilot
We're talking about a senator who's political mentors were Boehner and Kemp. Of course he's going to be a RINO.
19 posted on 01/16/2014 3:32:25 PM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: SkyPilot

Ultra conservative is liberal code for crazy right wing whack job. I stopped reading at that word even tho the title was enough to signal that the article was garbage anyway.


20 posted on 01/16/2014 3:34:39 PM PST by uncitizen (Obama said 'period', but he meant 'asterisk'.)
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To: cva66snipe

Correction: We’re talking about a Congressman who’s political mentors were Boehner and Kemp. Of course he’s going to be a RINO.


21 posted on 01/16/2014 3:37:38 PM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: SkyPilot
Ultraconservative groups are furious over the omnibus appropriations package that coasted through the Republican-led House on Wednesday.

And of course Patty Murray had nothing to do with the content of the bill. It all came from "the Republican-led House."

See how that works Mr. Ryan, oh you clever child you? Negotiate with the left in good faith and the outcome becomes a "Republican bill," which of course means that further compromise will be necessary because "the Republican-led House" is all "far right wing." Never mind what they promised. That was before you passed the bill.

Fool. Lay down with RATS and you get fleeced.

I guess the left is upset that we aren't accepting their selections for our leaders. We must not know our place or something. Funny, I thought it had something to do with what Paul Ryan has said and done.

22 posted on 01/16/2014 3:38:26 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Shwarzenkaiser: fasionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: SkyPilot

This was an incredibly incoherent column. I’m not sure what the conservatives were for or against, and who exactly are the “ultraconservatives”? Not familiar with this rag. May I assume it’s neo-liberal?


23 posted on 01/16/2014 3:43:18 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: SkyPilot

“ultra?”. . .please. . .we’re 17 trillion in debt plus 90 trillion in unfunded liabilities. .and WE’RE ultra?!!


24 posted on 01/16/2014 3:43:31 PM PST by McBuff
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To: SkyPilot

It got brought to the floor and voted on in one day. Nobody actually read it and we’re in the wrong for being mad about that?


25 posted on 01/16/2014 3:46:03 PM PST by Personal Responsibility (I'd use the /S tag but is it really necessary?)
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To: SkyPilot

Wah-wah-wah! I cannot believe a cut to veterans benefits was even put onthe table in the first place. And then, to actually pass! And then, a “fix” still screws the Veterans!
All while spending unemployment, food stamps, healthcare, coddling illegal aliens, and 125 million on penis pumps for old codgers goes on unabated.
Our Country is toast.


26 posted on 01/16/2014 3:47:14 PM PST by vpintheak (Thankful to be God blessed & chosen!)
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To: SkyPilot

THE Paul Ryan, who recently revealed he is 100% behind AMNESTY?! The one rated the most pro amnesty in all of congress?

Can’t imagine why conservatives would dis him, can someone please fill me in?? They must be racist. Wait, he is white. They must be anti-gay. Wait, he is straight. They are all haters.

(montag’s wife)


27 posted on 01/16/2014 3:47:58 PM PST by montag813
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To: SkyPilot

Imagine that, you can’t please conservatives by acting lefty

shocking


28 posted on 01/16/2014 3:51:29 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: SkyPilot

Ha! I gave up on Ryan the moment he said he endorsed homos adopting. Knew then and there he was not to be trusted. And indeed, he’s continued on that path ever since, becoming a point-man on amnesty, and now is busily kneecapping vets.


29 posted on 01/16/2014 3:51:39 PM PST by greene66
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To: RginTN
at this stage of our total disintegration of our country, we need strong smart decent men to lead....I don't give a damn anymore whether they're virgin conservatives.....

you vote for third party and constiutional hacks you might as well send bammey a nice fat check....

so called "conservatives" have outdone themselves and elected so many leftist rats....

but maybe that's the idea...maybe we have just so many plants here, attacking pubs so people here will just not vote...

thus we have Freakin in Minn and bammey in his kings chair....

WAKE UP PEOPLE!

30 posted on 01/16/2014 3:52:12 PM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: SkyPilot

why has the GOP agreed to a budget funding bill thru Sept 2014? By having the funding expire 6 weeks before the mid-term elections, it will leave the GOP open to a non-stop media assault to force the GOP to agree to whatever terms the Dems propose to keep the gov’t fully funded; otherwise, the economy will take another purported body blow, courtesy of the GOP. the important focus for these elections in 2014 needs to remain on the disaster that is Obamacare, which will be buried in the voting public’s minds with this timetable.


31 posted on 01/16/2014 3:55:27 PM PST by IWONDR
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To: IWONDR; KC_Lion
By having the funding expire 6 weeks before the mid-term elections, it will leave the GOP open to a non-stop media assault to force the GOP to agree to whatever terms the Dems propose

Because the GOPe apparently takes orders from the Dems. They are the Uniparty.

32 posted on 01/16/2014 3:56:43 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: SkyPilot
"They must choose whose side they're on: establishment Republicans or the far-right flank."

Completely false premise! Considerate, consistent conservatives (including most Tea Party members and sympathizers) are rock solid, rational, reasonable American tax-paying CITIZENS!!!

It's the big government, establishment elite GOP and RINOs reaching across the isle to fondle what they still perceive as center-left Democrats that are out of the main stream of normal, traditional, historically cognizant American tax-paying CITIZENS!!!

Our current batch of Repellican "leaders" were anointed when considerate, consistent conservatives in both the House and Senate were a distinct minority, elected and seated before the current Tea Party Rebellion had occurred!

They just don't get how sick and tired and how totally fed-UP and determined we really are to take out government back and reduce it's size and role in our business and personal lives!!! We're sick of the media thinking they are the 4th and most powerful branch of our multi-level governMental morass!!!

We are the mainstream of America and we have standards that must be complied with, the biggest of which is that government works for and obeys us and not the other way around!!! And that's just the way it's gonna be!!! Deal with it!!!

33 posted on 01/16/2014 3:58:07 PM PST by SierraWasp (Democrats these days are the "Glitches" in America's way of life and culture!!!)
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To: cherry

I hear DU needs a few new folks. They seem closer to your ideals anyway. Shove your GOP Bullshit.


34 posted on 01/16/2014 3:59:16 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: SkyPilot

We didn’t leave Paul Ryan. Paul Ryan left us.


35 posted on 01/16/2014 4:00:55 PM PST by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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To: SkyPilot

Paul Ryan was actually FOR the troops before he was AGAINST the troops!

When trying to explain himself to Hugh Hewitt, the weasel Ryan’s logic sounded as twisted as Rubio’s logic sounds as THAT devious ass tries to “rehabilitate” his conservative bona fides. NEITHER of them will EVER fool me again.


36 posted on 01/16/2014 4:03:49 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: SkyPilot

We understand them perfectly and they haven’t got a CLUE about us. That should be an advantage.


37 posted on 01/16/2014 4:07:42 PM PST by DManA
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To: Norm Lenhart

“I hear DU needs a few new folks. They seem closer to your ideals anyway. Shove your GOP Bullshit.”

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You do know that some of us are supporting and working toward a Tea Party “take over” of the Republican Party. And we continue to progress toward that goal. And 2014 has the makings of a BANNER YEAR for the effort—unless, of course, those attempting to derail the effort are successful. By the way, does Republican Ted Cruz spout “GOP bullshit”?


38 posted on 01/16/2014 4:07:58 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: andyk

“This was an incredibly incoherent column”

Thanks for that. As usual I just figured it was me.

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39 posted on 01/16/2014 4:09:19 PM PST by Mears
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To: House Atreides

TC isn’t GOPe or the problem and you know it. Second, while you make excuses for continuing to empower our problem, our problem is screwing our military, scheming to cement Obamacare and screw the rest of us besides.

Pick a side and live with it.


40 posted on 01/16/2014 4:12:49 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: SkyPilot
In reality, folks like the National Journal know. They know that unlike liberals and LIVs, conservatives don't march in lockstep simply because of party affiliation.

Conservatives are educated on the issues, and when their principles are betrayed by those who supposed to represent them, they stay home or take their vote elsewhere.

Once the feckless RINOs are exposed and ousted, it'll be just the patriots vs the leftists. That's why when the Rats held power from 2009-2011, they tried to goad Republicans to support their leftist policies. Ain't gonna happen this time.

41 posted on 01/16/2014 4:17:03 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (15 years of FReeping! Congratulations EEE!!)
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To: SkyPilot

Conservatives get NOTHING from the Ryan cave. A pox on his house.


42 posted on 01/16/2014 4:17:40 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

“Ain’t gonna happen this time. “

There are a number of people working to keep conservatives on the GOP plantation. It might happen unless they stand up now and clearly tell them to pound salt. Because in another few months, those same people will be telling you that it’s too late to bicker and the dem will win and you should have made those decisions back in January.

History always repeats. Stand up now.


43 posted on 01/16/2014 4:22:52 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

“TC isn’t GOPe or the problem and you know it. Second, while you make excuses for continuing to empower our problem, our problem is screwing our military, scheming to cement Obamacare and screw the rest of us besides.

Pick a side and live with it.”
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I know that Ted Cruz is not GOPe—but HE IS GOP. Do not conflate the GOPe with the GOP as a whole.

“Pick a side and live with it.”? I have years ago picked a side—the side known today as the Tea Party. Many here are working toward the day when the Tea Party BECOMES the GOPe and the surviving RINOs are relegated to being backbenchers in that revitalized party.

So that’s my side. I hope you support those of us working toward that end—and not on the side of those who are sabotaging the effort. And that sabotage can be done by folks either knowingly as a fifth column here or by those who are unintentionally obtuse and don’t realize what they are doing.


44 posted on 01/16/2014 4:25:02 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: House Atreides

Here’s what I know. There are good people still calling themselves Republicans. I support them.

Since 1989, the GOP has gone left at a geometric rate. That is a carved in stone fact.

Today, we have a GOP, not Dems...GOP that is actively fighting for gay rights, against the military, for obamacare via ALWAYS approving funding, against people like most on FR.

This is no secret. Another not a secret is that Rove, the Chamber of Commerce and the Crony wing of the GOP funding brigade wants you replaced with Mexican voters with new citizenship cards. You will not take the party from within. If we could have done that, we’d own it by now.

I am not saying do not vote for a Republican. I am saying do not vote for a GOP republican.

When Ted Cruz, Mile Lee and a couple others are all we can hang our hats on, it’s time to take matters into our hands and out of the partys. Now if you believe any of that is in any way wrong, please lets discuss why.


45 posted on 01/16/2014 4:32:40 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: House Atreides

bunch of moron republicans attacking each other while Obama sit back and laugh.


46 posted on 01/16/2014 4:33:21 PM PST by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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To: SkyPilot
"Ultra" conservative, is it? Death by adjective for this wandering little stream-of-consciousness rant.

No, in fact, Mr. Ryan isn't going to cut it. He represents the faction within the GOP that needs to hit the road, because accommodation has given conservatives nothing but the back of the hand in the form of such epithets as "ultra" conservative. He might be - he is - frightened by such labels, which is why he has to go, as does every other spineless, intimidated go-along-to-get-along poor excuse for a politician that's been stinking up the Republican party for far too long.

47 posted on 01/16/2014 4:33:24 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: rightwingcrazy
Maybe "ultra" is an acronym.

"Us leftist types really against"?

48 posted on 01/16/2014 4:36:59 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Cicero

Why is it “ultra” conservative to think that continuing to throw trillions of tax dollars down the drain is a fair deal?

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Hey! You are using logic. No fair! That’s not allowed.


49 posted on 01/16/2014 4:41:46 PM PST by Bigg Red (O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! Ps 8)
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To: SkyPilot

Ryan’s a liberal bastard!!!


50 posted on 01/16/2014 4:43:01 PM PST by dalereed
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