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Fury after mentally ill 18-year-old was killed by police in front of his mortified parents
Daily Mail UK ^ | 1/8/14

Posted on 01/16/2014 7:48:02 PM PST by Arthurio

An 18-year-old mentally ill boy who was killed by police was 'shot to death like dog', a close family friend said today.

Keith Vidal was already restrained by two police officers when a third officer shot him in the chest on Sunday after allegedly saying 'I don't have time for this'.

The officer was preparing to fire a second shot when he was grabbed by the victim's step father.

Vidal, who was having a schizophrenic episode, did not pose a threat to any of the officers - who had been called to help by his family, friends said.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2535424/Fury-schizophrenic-teen-Keith-Vidal-shot-dead-Southport-Police.html#ixzz2qckt79Rw Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

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1 posted on 01/16/2014 7:48:02 PM PST by Arthurio
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Waiting for all the usual jackboot lickers to defend the action by the “officer.”

If Kelly Thomas is any indication, this murdering pig will walk as well.


2 posted on 01/16/2014 7:50:12 PM PST by Arthurio
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To: Arthurio

Why should this surprise anyone...


3 posted on 01/16/2014 7:52:46 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: Arthurio

As our nation turns into a third world nation our cops become death squads.


4 posted on 01/16/2014 7:53:01 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Alaska Wolf

5 posted on 01/16/2014 7:54:41 PM PST by null and void (We need to shake this snowglobe up.)
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To: Arthurio
Waiting for all the usual jackboot lickers to defend the action by the “officer.”

The only concrete fact...or *potential* fact...I see in this article (I didn't click on the link) is that the victim *may* have been a schizophrenic.If,by chance,he was I can say this:

In 20+ years working in a major hospital's ER I encountered many,many,many,*many* schizophrenics,male and female.And I can guarantee you that the males were,at times,capable of some very,very disturbing,violent acts.I won't elaborate...too many stories to tell.

That's all I'm sayin'

6 posted on 01/16/2014 7:57:44 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: Arthurio

Well he did say he did not have time for this apparently.


7 posted on 01/16/2014 7:59:24 PM PST by JLS
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To: Arthurio

That cop should be on death row by now


8 posted on 01/16/2014 8:00:14 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: null and void

Love that graphic. It really kicks and! Oh wait...


9 posted on 01/16/2014 8:02:39 PM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: bobby.223; null and void

Ping


10 posted on 01/16/2014 8:04:24 PM PST by sport
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To: Arthurio

If the cops from the other department are smart, they’ll tell the truth.


11 posted on 01/16/2014 8:05:59 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Gay State Conservative
And I can guarantee you that the males were,at times,capable of some very,very disturbing,violent acts.I won't elaborate...too many stories to tell.

How many did you she killed because they "didn't have time for this shit"?

12 posted on 01/16/2014 8:07:43 PM PST by GingisK
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To: Arthurio

I know from personal experience that if you want to make a bad situation like this worse, call the police.


13 posted on 01/16/2014 8:09:53 PM PST by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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To: Diamond

Never invite the Man into your life...


14 posted on 01/16/2014 8:13:28 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
I can guarantee you that the males were,at times,capable of some very,very disturbing,violent acts.

If the officer cannot deal with such individual, he should (a) leave the room, (b) lock the door, and (c) summon a doctor who can administer a proper drug.

It's possible that the individual will hurt himself while not controlled; but that's still better than being dead.

By looking at many cases of police misdeeds, it appears that they are not taught to retreat. They always barge ahead, they always fight to the last drop of blood of their victims; they always must be in control and on top, no matter what. That police captain in the theater simply could not tolerate the thought that some "civilian" is refusing to obey his orders! So he shot him for that.

15 posted on 01/16/2014 8:17:01 PM PST by Greysard
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To: Arthurio
I hope they learned a lesson. The lesson? Never, never, never involve the cops in anything. No matter how bag=d it is initially, involving the police makes it exponentially worse.
16 posted on 01/16/2014 8:17:52 PM PST by sport
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To: Arthurio

In my 64 years, I’ve never run into a bad cop. I know they’re out there, from reading too many other stories like this, but I have no firsthand experience with any of them. That said, if what the shooter-cop said was true, he ought to be in detention for what he did. He’s a clear and present danger to the public. RIP, young man.


17 posted on 01/16/2014 8:22:53 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: D-fendr

“Never invite the Man into your life...”

Correct. This goes for divorce, etc. as well. If you can’t run your own life, don’t expect those people to make it any better for you.


18 posted on 01/16/2014 8:31:36 PM PST by jocon307
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To: Arthurio
Do an internet search, as there are multiple versions of this story floating around. The initial report was that the stepfather said that the officer came in and said "we don't have time for this.....taze him." and that the 18 year old started resisting at that point. The two officers that were "holding the boy down" have already been cleared and issued statements saying that have no doubt that upon a full review that the shooting will be justified.

Just be careful of how this is being spun. There are definitely at least two sides to this story.

19 posted on 01/16/2014 8:32:42 PM PST by cincinnati65
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To: Arthurio

Another example of the threat posed by government to individual freedom.


20 posted on 01/16/2014 8:34:56 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: Gay State Conservative

My mother has been director of psych hospital for 2 decades and still is. She says the same thing and deals with all the folks the police and other hospitals dump on them daily. That’s all she does.

But she hasn’t had to kill any patient.


21 posted on 01/16/2014 8:37:42 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: AlmaKing

Maybe she has more time?


22 posted on 01/16/2014 8:40:31 PM PST by null and void (We need to shake this snowglobe up.)
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To: GingisK
How many did you see killed because they "didn't have time for this shit"?

Well,you see...a hospital ER has a couple of advantages over a cop when facing such a situation.

1)They have a least several big,burly (male) nurses and nurses aides.

2) They have leather restraints that can be placed on the wrists,the ankles and the torso.

3) They have drugs so powerful and so fast acting that they can bring a charging rhino (the four legged kind,not Juan McLame) to its knees before you can say "nighty-night".

23 posted on 01/16/2014 8:47:03 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
In 20+ years working in a major hospital's ER I encountered many,many,many,*many* schizophrenics,male and female.And I can guarantee you that the males were,at times,capable of some very,very disturbing,violent acts.I won't elaborate...too many stories to tell.

??????

episodes end eventually

death, however, is permanent

subdue and call for backup. the cop exercised very bad judgement and should wear the title murderer as he now is IMO.
24 posted on 01/16/2014 8:48:41 PM PST by digdem
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To: null and void

ha.

She’s retiring in 6 months. I’m telling her to keep calm, she’s almost made it.


25 posted on 01/16/2014 8:51:52 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: AlmaKing
There are effective means to handle combative patients. ER personnel are supposed to be trained to handle them. If they are not they don't belong in an ER. But this didn't happen in an ER, it appears to have been in the family home.
26 posted on 01/16/2014 8:54:01 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: cincinnati65

Will you be impressed if the government once again clears itself?


27 posted on 01/16/2014 9:08:36 PM PST by JLS
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To: Arthurio

this ain’t Officer Friendly or Deputy Fife anymore. These are the jackbooted thugs that shoot at will these days.

been living in LA for 20 years. don’t trust any of them.


28 posted on 01/16/2014 9:08:51 PM PST by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: Arthurio

Given the facts that have been reported, it makes absolutely no sense why the LEO would shoot into a pile of people on the floor. None. Why would he use lethal force in a situation like this. Something doesn’t add up.


29 posted on 01/16/2014 9:11:29 PM PST by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: JLS
Bottom line is, you weren't there and I wasn't there, and the stepfather's story has changed over time. All I'm suggesting is to do your own research and not jump to conclusion based on some media reports.

Their "story" is that a cop walked in and executed a subdued 18 year old kid. Honestly, how likely is that? I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's highly unlikely. If it is true, then I think the cop in question should have the book thrown at him to the fullest extent. All I'm suggesting is to think about it.

30 posted on 01/16/2014 9:14:55 PM PST by cincinnati65
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To: Arthurio

I’m ambivalent about the Kelly Thomas verdict. Twelve jurors saw something I didn’t and cut them loose. Likewise, this case will have more to offer than what the media chooses to report. And while I typically, without hesitation, side with law enforcement, a jackboot licker I ain’t. But I surely don’t call them pigs either. I save that for hippies.


31 posted on 01/16/2014 9:29:23 PM PST by driveserve (You likes to drink? Of course you do! Who da hell don't?)
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To: cincinnati65

I bet you’d also say it highly unlikely that cops would beat a man to death as he was crying out for his father to save him, and then laugh about the man crapping his pants from the fatal beating.


32 posted on 01/16/2014 9:30:30 PM PST by Arthurio
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To: Arthurio

33 posted on 01/16/2014 9:34:11 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Arthurio

Nah. They are all under such stress and have high standards... notwithstanding of course that standards for civilians is to get a felony assault for merely saying stop or that the military hasndouble jeopardy....

We are not talking about this kind of stress and standards. (Sarc off)

Fact of the matter, a cop is someone who has an entire army of buddies and lawyers to protect them and make them say the right thing. We ask for a lawyer or a witness or a recording and see what happens.


34 posted on 01/16/2014 9:34:26 PM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: null and void

35 posted on 01/16/2014 9:35:08 PM PST by GraceG
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To: mgstarr

36 posted on 01/16/2014 9:36:16 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Arthurio
The North Carolina Police Benevolent Association said it "welcomes" these investigations, but at the same time that it "assigned local counsel" to look into the matter. Its director, Midgette, explained this investigation consisted of talking to two officers involved who are members of -- and thus represented by -- his association.

The group said that three officers from three agencies responded to Vidal's house "due to the dangerous nature of the call."

Vidal "failed to comply with repeated requests to surrender the deadly weapon," which the 911 caller said was a screwdriver, the Police Benevolent Association reported.

What the officers did next -- such as using a Taser -- were "authorized and necessary law enforcement procedures ... to promote safety for everyone involved, including Vidal," the group added.

The detective fired after Vidal "made physical contact with the (Boiling Spring Lakes officer) using the hand holding the deadly weapon," the police association said in its statement.

"The officers present realized the immediate and deadly threat to (the officer's) life," said the group.

37 posted on 01/16/2014 9:37:32 PM PST by cincinnati65
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To: cincinnati65

After comparing the cops story and the video they did not know about when they shot the man in Dallas:

http://benswann.com/caught-on-tape-dallas-cop-shoots-mentally-ill-man/

I think I might be more open minded than you in such cases.


38 posted on 01/16/2014 9:39:54 PM PST by JLS
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To: JLS
Okay, fine then. Jump to conclusions, do no research, and be convinced that all cops are jackbooted thugs on a power trip. Sheez. All I suggested was that you be open-minded and listen to both sides of the story.

But, since we're expounding, here's my "theory". Boy is threatening mother with a screwdriver and having a "bad episode". Stepdad calls the cops as he has 20 times before to deal with the boy. Cops attempt to subdue boy, but boy flails around and refuses to relinquish the screwdriver, striking one of the officers. Cop fires, killing the boy. Stepdad initially says that cop says "we don't have time for this.....taze him." (there's video of this). Stepdad starts getting crap from mom about involving the cops. Stepdad deflects and later changes story to "cop says we don't have time for this and shoots boy". All to assuage his guilt at having involved the cops which ultimately resulted in the boy's death.

My "story" is just as plausible as yours. Neither of us knows, and all I asked that we remain open minded and not run off half-cocked and jumping to conclusions about police brutality.

39 posted on 01/16/2014 9:54:15 PM PST by cincinnati65
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To: Arthurio

He was having his night disturbed and saw the kid reaching for his cellphone — sufficient reason for a police shooting these days.


40 posted on 01/16/2014 10:01:36 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: cincinnati65

I did not offer a theory of the incident. I merely asked you if you will be impressed if the government yet again clears itself in such an incident. I for one am not very impressed by self-clearing.


41 posted on 01/16/2014 10:02:59 PM PST by JLS
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To: Arthurio

Again, armed cops in superior numbers killing a single, unarmed suspect. Don’t really care about the circumstances, the suspect was UNARMED. Officers are supposedly trained to handle such situations without resorting to lethal force. Please don’t lecture me regarding ‘doped’ up suspects, their ‘amazing’ strength and other such ‘facts’. I have worked for many years with Peace Officers, felons, mental patients, and the ‘crazed’ druggies and not once did I witness or hear of officers killing a nothing-to-lose violent felon, a physically wild mental inmate/patient, or a doped up violent addict. I have seen on numerous occasions well trained officers subdue all of the above persons without death as a result. But then I keep forgetting that inmates and mental commits have one thing that the general public doesn’t-—legal right to officer protection. At this point and time I trust a convicted felon more than a cop for you see I am fairly certain what a felon will do, a cop not so much anymore and that makes them very dangerous.


42 posted on 01/16/2014 10:18:18 PM PST by yadent
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To: carriage_hill

Wow... I have many such experiences, including my psycho x-step-father.


43 posted on 01/16/2014 10:24:31 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: Diamond
I know from personal experience that if you want to make a bad situation like this worse, call the police.

Never heard it put that way, but you're absolutely correct....

44 posted on 01/16/2014 10:38:40 PM PST by PGR88
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To: GraceG

When local government lost its power to the center


45 posted on 01/16/2014 10:39:20 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Arthurio

Mentally ill? The kid must have barked at the cop.


46 posted on 01/16/2014 10:40:56 PM PST by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: Arthurio

May Keith’s soul and all the souls of the faithful departed, through the mercy of God rest in peace.

Prayers for his parents during this traumatic time.


47 posted on 01/16/2014 10:41:38 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: yadent
Don’t really care about the circumstances, the suspect was UNARMED.

So was Trayvon Martin.

48 posted on 01/16/2014 10:53:23 PM PST by Irish Rose (Will work for chocolate.)
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To: Irish Rose

Nice try. Different case, no cops involved and George(alone) was fighting for his life after having been attacked. None of the cops in recent shootings were fighting for their lives, were they??


49 posted on 01/16/2014 11:08:08 PM PST by yadent
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To: Arthurio

50 posted on 01/17/2014 12:09:51 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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