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Pennsylvania voter ID law struck down
The Hill ^ | January 16, 2014

Posted on 01/17/2014 9:59:46 AM PST by SMGFan

Pennsylvania’s voter ID law, among the nation’s most stringent, was struck down Friday morning by a state judge.

Commonwealth Court Judge Bernard L. McGinley ruled that the law, requiring almost all voters to present photo identification prior to voting, was an unreasonable burden on voters.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: electionfraud; pavoterid; votefraud; voterfraud; voterid
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So, signature comparison by a polling place board worker is all you need? Works here in Hudson County. :)
1 posted on 01/17/2014 9:59:46 AM PST by SMGFan
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To: SMGFan

Ridiculous. I’m going to have to get a star on my driver’s license to board a domestic flights in the next year or so. But I can vote in PA with no ID. Where is the handle? We need to flush America and let the bowl refill with fresh water.


2 posted on 01/17/2014 10:03:17 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Did the ancients know they were ancients? Or did they see themselves as presents?)
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To: SMGFan

unreasonable burden on voters”

...so is working, having to pay for their own liquor and cigarettes and following the rule of law.


3 posted on 01/17/2014 10:03:47 AM PST by albie (ve`)
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To: SMGFan
Pennsylvania’s voter ID law, among the nation’s most stringent,

Why, do they stare at your Driver's License extra long?

4 posted on 01/17/2014 10:04:34 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: SMGFan

What garbage. The Supreme Court has already ruled it’s not an undue burden. This douche-bag judge has his 15 minutes of fame and then the USSC will squash him like the bug he is.


5 posted on 01/17/2014 10:07:01 AM PST by Dilbert56
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To: Yo-Yo; neverdem; narses; SunkenCiv; Nachum

Gee. And I bet they can get foodstamps, free medical care, and free food and drugs without any ID also. Right?

I can’t check in a motel or hotel without an ID.

I can’t get a library card without an ID.

So, the poor “don’t fly” (ever ???) and “don’t have a car” ..... But the poor can vote 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 times (for democrats) ...


6 posted on 01/17/2014 10:09:40 AM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: SMGFan

7 posted on 01/17/2014 10:09:43 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: SMGFan

Then why is is OK to require a photo ID to purchase liquor, weapons, get on an airline, etc?

This is just pure bull Obamastuff.

And it will not stop until we tell the judges to shove it up their Obamaholes.

And back it up with force.


8 posted on 01/17/2014 10:10:16 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: SMGFan

I don’t know why republicans don’t just staff poll workers with instruction to opine that the signatures of democrat voters don’t match and you need to see identification (do maybe one of every three voters where the poll worker doesn’t recognize the voter).


9 posted on 01/17/2014 10:11:29 AM PST by Go Gordon (Barack McGreevey Obama)
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To: SMGFan
Misheard on the news on the way into work -- thought the judge had affirmed Voter ID. Insanity NOT to.

More lefty logic:


10 posted on 01/17/2014 10:12:14 AM PST by Bon of Babble (Don't want to brag...but I can still fit into the earrings I wore in high school!!)
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To: Yo-Yo

LOL

They could do like we have in Michigan. They must ask to see ID but you don’t have to show it. However you do leave a paper trail because if you don’t show an ID you have to sign an affidavit that you are who you say you are and that you’re voting legally.


11 posted on 01/17/2014 10:12:40 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

And that’s about it. Every piece of good new or legislation we have heard in the last year has now been overturned by the courts.


12 posted on 01/17/2014 10:21:37 AM PST by Advil000
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To: SMGFan
was an unreasonable burden on voters.

Based on WHAT? The legislature decides voting laws, not the judiciary, unless there is an explicit violation of the PA constitution, such as excluding women or dwarfs.

13 posted on 01/17/2014 10:23:58 AM PST by montag813
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To: SMGFan

Why? Don’t you have to get a picture id for your Driver’s License?


14 posted on 01/17/2014 10:24:52 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: montag813

It’s an unreasonable burden on the voters because it’s too heavy to carry to the polling place. Right?


15 posted on 01/17/2014 10:27:42 AM PST by Glenmore
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To: SMGFan

They should also have to show up in person and present ID to register in my opinion.


16 posted on 01/17/2014 10:32:49 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: SMGFan

I have an idea. Maybe it would work, maybe not.

At each polling place, if a person does not have or want to show a picture ID, have a camera ready to take that person’s photograph, just like the driver’s license people do.

Once the picture is taken, have software that scans faces, like Google, and have a computer do a search for matches. It could be linked to mugshots in all states and territories to see if that person is a felon. It can also check to see if the person has a valid driver’s license in any state, just like the police do. It can also scan passport and ICE photos of legal aliens. This should not place a ‘burden’ on the voter. If they refuse, they don’t vote..............


17 posted on 01/17/2014 10:37:00 AM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: montag813

the aristocracy class has deemed all acts by the aristocracy as legal and constitutional until someone bothers to scrape money together and go to court to fight them and maybe win.

The USSC should be pissed they are being ignored.


18 posted on 01/17/2014 10:39:14 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Think about all the things that require you to supply “positive ID”? Too numerous to count, right? No adult living in the USA can get through a calendar year without having to ID themselves at least a few times.

Now we have this judge’s ruling saying that providing ID is “onerous”. Really? I guess that means exercising voting rights is less important than all those other things that do require ID? Right? That’s in effect what they are saying.


19 posted on 01/17/2014 10:49:16 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: SMGFan
DemonRAT, pimp!!!


20 posted on 01/17/2014 10:50:01 AM PST by USS Alaska (If I could...I would.)
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To: SMGFan; All

I’m not familiar with the law that the judge struck down, but did activist PA lawmakers possibly write the law using language that they knew would provoke any judge to strike it down? Or did the judge strike down the law because the judge is possibly an activist? Or did the judge justifiably strike down the law?

Next, note that the states have amended the Constitution to protect voting rights on the basis of race, sex, tax status and age as evidenced by the 15th, 19th, 24th and 26th Amendments. In other words, there is no constitutonal right which protects voters from not having to show a valid photo ID before voting. So the states can make constitutional laws which require voters to present valid photo ID before being allowed to vote.

Again, I don’t know the basis on which the judge struck down this law. And it’s getting too close to November for such laws to be struck down.

Remember, if patriots can elect a 2/3 conservative majority to both Houses of Congress in November then Congress will have the constitutional authority to repeal Obamacare without Obama’s signature.


21 posted on 01/17/2014 10:57:50 AM PST by Amendment10
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To: SMGFan

Why not take a picture of the voter after he votes and put that in the book along with his signature for future ID?


22 posted on 01/17/2014 11:01:14 AM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: longtermmemmory

This is not a federal case. A state judge decided it on the basis of the state’s constitution. (Or, at least, that’s the basis he cited.)


23 posted on 01/17/2014 11:05:41 AM PST by madprof98
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To: Red Badger

You are waaaay too advanced for this crooked system. :-)


24 posted on 01/17/2014 11:06:53 AM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: SMGFan
Great. McAuliffe in Virginia. No voter ID in PA.
25 posted on 01/17/2014 11:13:02 AM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: SMGFan

when are Americans going to put a stop to all this? If all of us who have a “soap box” went to DC to protest maybe we could get enough people to make an impression on voters.

also why don’t our GOP reps come up with something catchy, dramatic, important, etc - ex. Contract with America. People loved that. why don’t conservatives come up with something. I’ve been thinking but nothing comes to mind.


26 posted on 01/17/2014 11:17:36 AM PST by ncpatriot
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To: Da Coyote
No, it will not stop until the legislatures in these states come out and say that this law was constitutional, and it will still be enforced forthwith.

"You've made your ruling judge, now let's see you enforce it"

27 posted on 01/17/2014 11:23:41 AM PST by Fedupwithit (Your opinion: It's all yours....don't expect me to listen to it, or even acknowledge it..)
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To: ex-snook

Dye their fingers like Iraq!


28 posted on 01/17/2014 11:23:44 AM PST by Renegade
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To: SgtHooper

The system would also ‘store’ the photograph so that it can be compared to other prospective voter photographs to check if that person has already done this at other polling places. Voter fraud would be less likely if the prospective voter was likely to be arrested right on the spot...................


29 posted on 01/17/2014 11:26:03 AM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: Renegade
"Dye their fingers like Iraq!"

Good solution! Wonder why that was not thought of? [Maybe the object of the law was not to prevent voting twice but prevent voting once.}

30 posted on 01/17/2014 11:34:27 AM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: SMGFan

Judge Bernard McGinley should explain what he means by it being an unreasonable burden. Is it an unreasonable burden to go to get a photo for a driver’s license or a license to carry? How about a passport photo? How about all other forms of ID?

This judge is another addle-minded liberal who wants the one side to be able to continue to cheat at the polls.


31 posted on 01/17/2014 11:46:14 AM PST by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Dilbert56
This douche-bag judge has his 15 minutes of fame and then the USSC will squash him like the bug he is.

Possibly.

But by then we may be into the next election cycle. Thus providing more opportunity for a left-wing congress to approve more left-wing judges - who then interpret more laws with a left-wing bent, creating a socio-political climate that is more and more hostile to free-thinking people.

We are fast approaching (if not already there) a state of electoral critical mass...

32 posted on 01/17/2014 11:50:15 AM PST by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: Dilbert56

Good point. He should be disbarred for violating SCOTUS’ RECENT ruling.


33 posted on 01/17/2014 12:12:12 PM PST by CivilWarBrewing
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To: SMGFan

Also, it’s an “unreasonable burden” for voters to vote knowing that a DemonRAT voter has nullified their vote by voting multiple times.


34 posted on 01/17/2014 12:23:44 PM PST by CivilWarBrewing
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To: Tallguy

Precisely. I am 60 years old. I look much younger but not under 21. I have to show my driver’s license buy alcohol in ID everybody states. Here in Alabama I have to show it to vote or show a utility bill proving my address and proper name of the registered voter that is me. I know from several of my black republican friends that live in predominately black precincts, ID is often a wink and a nod between the voter and the roll checkers. Alabama has been purging a lot of dead voters off the rolls since republicans took the legislature in 2010 after 130 years of democrat majority.


35 posted on 01/17/2014 12:27:55 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Did the ancients know they were ancients? Or did they see themselves as presents?)
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To: Bon of Babble

It’s not about “Liberal Logic”, it’s about criminal intent by liberals.


36 posted on 01/17/2014 12:45:35 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: SMGFan

So the judiciary has decreed, so let it be done!

Why do we give these political hacks any more credence than the hacks in the executive and legislature? Because they wear black muumuus?


37 posted on 01/17/2014 12:49:44 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Having some small say in who gets to hold the whip doesn't make you any less a slave.)
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To: SMGFan

It wasn’t that stringent. In 2012 it was put on hold right after it started and we didn’t even have to show ID.


38 posted on 01/17/2014 1:04:08 PM PST by conservative98
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To: Amendment10

I live in PA. The law was passed in March 2012.

But then it was blocked by judges in October 2012 from being used in the presidential election.

It was ruled in 2012 they could ask you for an ID but you could vote without one and wouldn’t have to use a provisional ballot.

Apparently now this judge wants to block it on a permanent basis?

It’s doubly frustrating considering I firmly believe PA was one of many states stolen from Romney in 2012.


39 posted on 01/17/2014 1:11:57 PM PST by Dave346
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To: Dave346

I always feel you gotta get close first to win by cheatin’

And Caliph Baraq won Penn in 2012 by 5.5 points, so I’m not so sure on that one.


40 posted on 01/17/2014 1:15:05 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: Dave346

PA is supposed to be a “swing state” but the last time we went red in a presidential election was 1988.

Apparently the fraudsters are intent on making sure 1988 is the last time that ever happens!!!


41 posted on 01/17/2014 1:15:44 PM PST by Dave346
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To: nascarnation

The level of fraud in 2012 was unbelievable - 5 percent is well within the margin of cheating now. It’s no longer about creating extra votes for the left - they now flip our votes with rigged machines! It’s the new normal now and Romney who spend loads of money here and expected to win PA never had the balls to challenge the fraud.

Republican poll worker on election day even told me that Romney’s internals had him winning the state.


42 posted on 01/17/2014 1:19:38 PM PST by Dave346
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To: Dave346

So with a Republican Governor and Republican Secretary of State, there is more than 5% illegal votes?

We may as well all give up and stop wasting our time...


43 posted on 01/17/2014 1:22:05 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: SMGFan

I remember how I broke down crying and shaking when they asked me for photo id to cash a check. I ran out and never went back. It still haunts me today. The nightmares...


44 posted on 01/17/2014 1:23:41 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: nascarnation

All it would take is for 3% of the Romney votes to be flipped by rigged machines to Obama.

Until they get rid of electronic voting machines and we start winning presidential elections I’ll never trust the system again.

Obama was our worst president in history even in his first term and would’ve lost by a landslide just like Carter if the election was on the up and up.


45 posted on 01/17/2014 1:28:22 PM PST by Dave346
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To: Dave346

Patriots in Pennsylvania need to start a movement to impeach the SoS (assuming state law allows for it). That is totally depressing news.


46 posted on 01/17/2014 1:33:50 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

in Washington state here, you have to show your drivers id to turn in scrap metal....I had a circuit board and a few other little things and it amounted to just over $5....yet I had to give them my license, and my car type and car license number....yet people can just come up and vote mulititude times...


47 posted on 01/17/2014 1:35:04 PM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: SMGFan; fatima; Fresh Wind; st.eqed; xsmommy; House Atreides; Nowhere Man; South Hawthorne; ...
PA Ping!

If you see posts of interest to Pennsylvanians, please ping me.

Thanks!

48 posted on 01/17/2014 2:25:20 PM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Red Badger

I like that idea.

Might not cut fraud on the first year, but should then work for future elections.


49 posted on 01/17/2014 2:27:26 PM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: nascarnation

Hell, I won’t believe any results from states that use electronic machines and there are a lot of them now.

PA used to use lever machines until 2006. Not only were they less susceptible to fraud but they were more fun.

With electronic machines you just push a couple buttons and you’re done without even any paper trail left behind or any way to know someone isn’t tampering with the results after your gone.

What’s needed of course is paper ballots because those are the most fraud-proof. So the country is going in the wrong direction.

Just compare how the US does elections to most other countries. Many others would laugh at our procedures - electronic machines, no ID needed, lots of absentee early balloting, no security guards.


50 posted on 01/17/2014 2:48:12 PM PST by Dave346
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