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University of Wisconsin Removes Bibles From Guest Rooms Following Atheist Complaint
christiannews.net ^ | January 17, 2014 | Heather Clark

Posted on 01/17/2014 5:43:52 PM PST by ilovesarah2012

MADISON, Wis. – The University of Wisconsin-Extension has removed all of the Gideon Bibles from its conference center guest rooms at the urging of an atheist activist organization.

The Madison, Wisconsin-based Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) states that it received a complaint last November from a visitor to the university’s Lowell Center, who noticed the Bible in their room.

The organization then sent a letter to university officials, asserting that the placement of the Gideon Bibles violated the Establishment Clause of the United States Constitution, which reads, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

“It is a fundamental principle of Establishment Clause jurisprudence that a government entity cannot promote, advance or otherwise endorse religion,” the letter stated. “Permitting members of outside religious groups the privilege of placing their religious literature in public university guest rooms constitutes state endorsement and advancement of these Christian publications.”

FFRF contended that if visitors want to read the Bible, they can bring their own copy during their stay, or obtain one from the library. It demanded that all Bibles be removed from the premises, and that a written response be provided regarding the matter.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: academicbias; atheismandstate; atheistsupremacists; waronreligion
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I wish Christians would fight back against Freedom From Religion. They make me sick.
1 posted on 01/17/2014 5:43:52 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

They’re a cultural terrorist organization. Blame the university for capitulating.


2 posted on 01/17/2014 5:47:56 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: ilovesarah2012
The Nutjob Annie Laurie Gaylor has picked up the family aetheism-activism bidness from her Nutjob mother:


3 posted on 01/17/2014 5:47:58 PM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Nice the way they use the Freedom of Religion clause to impose atheism on a state university. University of Wisconsin had no obligation to comply, but of course they are far to the left and happy to do so.

“Good heavens! A bible in the drawer! My head is going to explode!” Typical leftie reaction.


4 posted on 01/17/2014 5:48:01 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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All I have to say about folks that aquiesce to this horsechit is..............WHAT A BUNCH OF CHICKENCHITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!


5 posted on 01/17/2014 5:48:09 PM PST by MagUSNRET
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To: ilovesarah2012

BINGO!!!
I am sick to death of cowardly Christians.
Jesus was NOT a coward.
I heard a sermon once and the pastor said “the worst thing a person can say to a Christian is: “I did not know you were a Christian”.


6 posted on 01/17/2014 5:48:55 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: ilovesarah2012

The Russians are placing Bibles in how many rooms for the Olympics?

Here in the land where the U.S.A was founded due to reliance...in The Bible..we’re being forced to REMOVE those Scarey Dangerous Attack Bibles from guest rooms!

UpsidedownVille Marches On!

is it the money talking in wisconsin? maybe the NAME...WisconSIN?


7 posted on 01/17/2014 5:49:57 PM PST by MeshugeMikey (This Message NOT Approved By The N.S.A.)
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To: Cicero

They should put a small percent of Holy Water in their water system...watch’em burn.


8 posted on 01/17/2014 5:50:59 PM PST by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp)
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To: ilovesarah2012
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

I wonder if it was the FFRF or the article author who included the "prohibition" part of the amendment.

9 posted on 01/17/2014 5:54:04 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Ridiculous. Take the book to the desk.


10 posted on 01/17/2014 5:54:27 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: All

Wow!!!! How much more tolerant and diverse can UW get????/sarc


11 posted on 01/17/2014 5:55:10 PM PST by JW1949
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To: ilovesarah2012
And yet…
Russian hotels will have Bibles in each room
12 posted on 01/17/2014 5:55:26 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Who will God bless? America or Russia?


13 posted on 01/17/2014 5:56:32 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012
Who will God bless? America or Russia?

God will bless those he chooses to bless.

14 posted on 01/17/2014 5:59:15 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

I remember back in 1978 when I was in college some group was passing out Gideon New testaments out side of a class building . I took one and said thank you. Still have it. Even them some young people were snickering. Just made me say Thank You louder. Being rude is bad manners.


15 posted on 01/17/2014 6:00:17 PM PST by therut
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To: ilovesarah2012; mlizzy; Arthur McGowan; mc5cents; RichInOC; Prince of Space; JoeFromSidney; ...
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Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

16 posted on 01/17/2014 6:01:27 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

"...when the wing nut checks out tell him, "while you were out we sprinkled Holy water all over your bed last night,nah naa na naa na na"

17 posted on 01/17/2014 6:01:44 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: ilovesarah2012
There are two major tenants of atheism:

1) There is no God
and
2) I hate Him

18 posted on 01/17/2014 6:06:01 PM PST by tbpiper
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To: ilovesarah2012

Were they all screaming “The book, the book, it burns my eyes. Oh the pain, the pain, get it away before I die!” And then they asked for some gay porn.


19 posted on 01/17/2014 6:06:14 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: ilovesarah2012

via ITAR-TASS
Russian hotels will have Bibles in each room
Russia joins the European and world traditions according to which hotel guests have the opportunity to read the Bible in their rooms, reports the Christian Telegraph invictory.com in reference to ITAR-TASS.

On August 9th, the first 6,000 copies of the New Testament and Psalms will be transferred to one of the largest hotels in Moscow “Izmailovo,” reports ITAR-TASS citing the New Department of the Russian Orthodox Church.

This charity event is supported by the Department of Tourism and Hospitality Management of the Moscow Government and the Commission with the Diocesan Missionary Council of the capital.

“Actually, in every European hotel guests can find Bibles in the rooms. The Gospel is a book that has become the foundation of European culture, it is an essential feature of the respectful and hospitable attitude towards guests, as well as an indicator of the culture level of the owners of hotels,” said the chairman of the commission missionary hieromonk Dimitriy Pershin.

The funds for the publication are provided by the Foundation of St. Gregory the Theologian.


20 posted on 01/17/2014 6:09:43 PM PST by cblue55 ("Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants,")
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To: ilovesarah2012; All

Why are Atheists allowed to violate others religious freedom?


21 posted on 01/17/2014 6:12:19 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Amnesty And Not Ending ObamaCare Will Kill GOP In 2014)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Perhaps there are not enough Christians at the University of Wisconsin to protest.


22 posted on 01/17/2014 6:13:27 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: ilovesarah2012

I am an alumni. I stopped giving money to the UW long ago when they decided resident assistants could not lead Bible studies in the dorms. When the UW gives me a choice between supporting them or God, they lose ... every time.


23 posted on 01/17/2014 6:16:23 PM PST by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: ilovesarah2012

I saw we all lodge a complaint that they removed the bible.


24 posted on 01/17/2014 6:18:34 PM PST by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Gideon Bibles are placed FREE of charge to hotels, hospitals, doctor offices, etc.

I was in the Gideons for a while. That is what we did.


25 posted on 01/17/2014 6:21:57 PM PST by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: tbpiper

From what I can gather, atheists believe in God, they just don’t approve of the way He behaves.


26 posted on 01/17/2014 6:27:32 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Sacajaweau
Ridiculous. Take the book to the desk.

They can't it burns if they touch it. Ask them I'm sure they think so.

27 posted on 01/17/2014 6:39:33 PM PST by KirbDog
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To: ilovesarah2012

We should grant these Atheist bigots equal time. Perhaps a bound copy of all 2,000 pages of an anti-Christian document they admire, such as the ObamaCare Act, would make them feel better.


28 posted on 01/17/2014 6:41:41 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Yes, white western Christians have lost their testicles. Disgusting.


29 posted on 01/17/2014 6:43:01 PM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Contrast with http://www.christiantelegraph.com/issue20719.html


30 posted on 01/17/2014 6:45:40 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel (Have a wonderful day!)
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To: so_real

Why doesn’t the university just let the atheists place their material in the guest rooms too...like Time Magazine or the PBS program guide.


31 posted on 01/17/2014 6:47:02 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47)
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To: ilovesarah2012

wouldn’t it be amazing if libtards did something on a scale like this if a single Christian complained about something?


32 posted on 01/17/2014 7:03:44 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Cicero

uw-madison is extremely liberal. they were more than happy to comply, this gives them cover.

they don’t call it madistan for nothing.


33 posted on 01/17/2014 7:05:49 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: SeminoleCounty

there is no right to be free from religion. that isn’t how it’s written.


34 posted on 01/17/2014 7:07:09 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

interesting.

when one libtard complaiuns about something to libtards in charge, they use the one complainer as justification to do what the complainer wants.

when most of the country is opposed to what the libtards in charge are doing, and say so, the libtards ignore the large majority, which also contains some of the libtards’ normal supporters.

the hypocrisy is fascinating.


35 posted on 01/17/2014 7:10:11 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: ilovesarah2012
...the Establishment Clause of the United States Constitution, which reads, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

“It is a fundamental principle of Establishment Clause jurisprudence that a government entity cannot promote, advance or otherwise endorse religion,” the letter stated.

Uh, that second thing does not say what that first thing is saying.

36 posted on 01/17/2014 7:30:06 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: ogen hal

An easier method is to ask God during your morning prayers to please bless everyone who shall enter your home and/or office today.


37 posted on 01/17/2014 7:33:49 PM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Viennacon

What are they afraid of? heehee

I’m complaining about there not being a bible in my room from now on.
You think I’ll get satisfaction?


38 posted on 01/17/2014 7:39:01 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda¬óDivide and conquer seems to be working.)
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To: ilovesarah2012
If I were Chancellor Cross, I would post a letter behind plexiglass in all guest rooms, appologising about having no religious texts available, such religions including (but not limited to) the Budhist, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Taoist, Satanist, Wiccan, Mormon, etc. faiths. The reason being that the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) forwarded to the university, a letter signed by Patrick C. Elliott, Staff Attorney, 'requesting' our immediate removal of Bibles 'from each guest room in the Lowel Centre, Pyle Center, and all other UW Extension guest facilities.', citing certain legal precedents that may or may not be applicable to this educational institution. The FFRF claims that 19% of Americans are non-religious (meaning 81% are religious) and that 27% of Americans are non-Christian (meaning that 83% are Christian) and that they are alienated by observing a Bible in their guest room.

I would also include something along the lines of:

If you would like to comment on this issue, the FFRF's website is www.ffrf.org. The organisation's mailing address is: PO Box 750, Madison WI 53701. Their telephone and fax numbers are: (ph) 608-256-8900 (FAX) 608-204-0422. I am sure that Staff Attorney Elliott, President Emerita Anne Nicol Gaylor, Co-President Dan Barker or Co-President Annie Laurie Gaylor would be pleased to discuss their request with you. Of course, if you would like to discuss this with someone from UW, you may contact: luis.fernandez@uwex.edu

39 posted on 01/17/2014 8:10:25 PM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: ilovesarah2012

http://www.christiantelegraph.com/issue20719.html


40 posted on 01/17/2014 8:20:07 PM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: ilovesarah2012; All
I don't think that I'm going to apply to the University of Wisconsin Law School anytime soon. The law school's activist professors evidently aren't teaching the following about bona-fide "government" power to regulate religion. Regardless what socialist FDR's activist justices wanted everybody to think about Thomas's Jefferson's "wall of separation," the real Thomas Jefferson had indicated the following about the limited scope of that wall of separation.

Jefferson had noted that the Founding States had made the 10th Amendment to clarify in general that the states had reserved government power to legislatively address religious issues uniquely to themselves, such power now limited by the 14th Amendment, regardless that the Founders had made the 1st Amendment in part to prohibit such powers entirely to Congress.

"3. Resolved that it is true as a general principle and is also expressly declared by one of the amendments to the constitution that ‘the powers not delegated to the US. by the constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively or to the people’: and that no power over the freedom of religion, freedom of speech, or freedom of the press being delegated to the US. by the constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, all lawful powers respecting the same did of right remain, & were reserved, to the states or the people: that thus was manifested their determination to retain to themselves the right of judging how far the licentiousness of speech and of the press may be abridged without lessening their useful freedom, and how far those abuses which cannot be separated from their use should be tolerated rather than the use be destroyed (emphasis added); …" --Thomas Jefferson, Kentucky Resolutions, 1798.

So the interpretation of the establishment clause by activist justices is bogus where 10th Amendment-protected state powers are concerned imo.

41 posted on 01/17/2014 8:46:18 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: ilovesarah2012
I had a look at the ffrf.org website, including their 2012 IRS Form 990 and schedules. As I am in cost accounting in Canada and have never seen a US tax form, let alone a tax exempt form, I am no expert. I do find though, that it is curious that the two 'Co-Presidents' (a husband and wife team) earned over $215K out of $787K in salaries (27%) and overall costs of $2,240K (9.6%)

I am no legal eagle, but is there not an opportunity for a lawsuit against this organisation based upon religious descrimination? After all, on their IRS Form 990, Part 1.1, they state that their mission is "to keep church and state separate and to educate the public about nontheism". What about Wiccan covens, Jewish synagogues, Muslim mosques, Budhist temples, etc? It seems to me that their efforts descriminate against one religion, Christianity. From what I understand, several school boards in several States fund Muslim schools and Jewish schools. Why have these 'upstanding secular citizens' chosen not to approach such schools? This shows a certain religious descrimination on their part.

In their letter to UW, they suggest that they are doing what they do not just for atheists, but for non-Christians. Again, it seems to me that this is descrimination, IF they are claiming to promote 'non-theism' but only go after Christianity.

Any good lawyers out there that could dose these folks with some of their own medicine? What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander!

42 posted on 01/17/2014 8:50:28 PM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: ilovesarah2012; Revolting cat!; GeronL

EQUALITY would be putting an empty notepad in the drawer for all atheists.

REMOVING religious texts makes the no-god god DOMINATE.


43 posted on 01/17/2014 9:30:55 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: ilovesarah2012

Meanwhile

http://www.christiantelegraph.com/issue20719.html

Russia joins the European and world traditions according to which hotel guests have the opportunity to read the Bible in their rooms...


44 posted on 01/17/2014 9:31:21 PM PST by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Protip for FFRF: The Gideons are not a government entity.


45 posted on 01/17/2014 9:32:04 PM PST by RichInOC (2013-14 Tiber Swim Team)
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To: ilovesarah2012


46 posted on 01/17/2014 10:29:13 PM PST by Only1choice____Freedom (As long as America's tolerence of failure is not overwhelmed by a desire to succeed, we will fail.)
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To: ilovesarah2012
So when did Congress pass the law that the University of Wisconsin had to have bibles in its guest rooms?
47 posted on 01/18/2014 12:01:22 AM PST by Right Wing Assault
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To: Cicero

The University, our esteemed center of learning and intellectual exploration is in the book banning business. Nothing ironic about that....


48 posted on 01/18/2014 3:06:59 AM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms in Dixie!)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Bible says this will happen, increased persecution etc.

This isn’t the battle, the battle is a far larger front.

We are at war, and there will be no end to it, as a matter of fact, it’s going to get far worse. The good news is the end result has already been determined and the good guys win.


49 posted on 01/18/2014 3:44:30 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Sacajaweau
Ridiculous. Take the book to the desk.

Odd, isn't it? That they should be so afraid of a book?

If they don't want to read it, they don't have to.

So much for "choice" in this country.

50 posted on 01/18/2014 5:38:44 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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