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World’s ATMs still running Windows XP—and wildly out of date
Fox News ^ | January 17, 2014

Posted on 01/17/2014 9:43:17 PM PST by Olog-hai

Nearly all of the ATMs in the world are running the Windows XP operating system, introduced by Microsoft 13 years ago—and incredibly out of date, as any tech enthusiast will tell you.

On April 8, Microsoft will officially end the tech support for the aging OS, which was replaced by Windows Vista in 2007, Windows 7 in 2009, Windows 8 in 2012 and Windows 8.1 in 2013. […]

If an ATM isn’t upgraded, it will continue to function, experts said. Withdrawals, deposits, and other transactions will work as they did before. But the machines will be more vulnerable to cyber robbers wielding malware and other attacks as time goes on. …

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: atm; hackers; microsoft; networksecurity; techsupport; windowsxp; xp
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1 posted on 01/17/2014 9:43:18 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

And here I thought that ATM’s were running proprietary software.


2 posted on 01/17/2014 9:45:29 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Olog-hai

What’s the big deal? Security isn’t important for ATMs, is it?


3 posted on 01/17/2014 9:48:42 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Olog-hai

Uh, either software gets the job done or gets it done efficiently or it belongs to the gov’t.


4 posted on 01/17/2014 9:48:46 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Olog-hai

XP is good.


5 posted on 01/17/2014 9:50:42 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: doc1019

There’s probably some old NT boxes running stuff somewhere.

I remember V1.0, I miss old WIN95, DOS or Bust!


6 posted on 01/17/2014 9:53:01 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Olog-hai

7 posted on 01/17/2014 9:55:14 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: NormsRevenge

LOL! I still have manuals for Windows 3.0 and 3.1. in my library.


8 posted on 01/17/2014 9:57:10 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Olog-hai

Someone here showed me the free classic shell program to add the classic start menu to my windows 8.

Winds 7 isnt bad but windows 8 is crap,.


9 posted on 01/17/2014 10:00:03 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Olog-hai

XP is better than later microsoft crap!

I canned 7 and went back to XP.


10 posted on 01/17/2014 10:06:51 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Olog-hai

Windows 95 was crap, until everybody got use to it, Windows 98 was crap until everybody got use to it ... windows XP was crap until everybody got use to it. Windows 7 was crap until everybody got use to it ... etc., etc., etc.


11 posted on 01/17/2014 10:07:52 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Olog-hai

If I was designing an ATM I would use an ARM SoC.

The Raspberry Pi would make a nice foundation for an ATM.

Windows XP works pretty good, but XP is not very secure.
It’s also too large and inscrutable to power something as simple as an ATM. A good geek would use an ARM programmed in C for building an ATM...Rube Goldberg would build an ATM system that ran on XP :-)


12 posted on 01/17/2014 10:08:09 PM PST by Bobalu (The true secret to genius is in creativity, not in technical mechanics - Richard Feynman)
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To: Olog-hai

My laptop notebook runs on XP. Since there is no CD on this tiny laptop, how can I upgrade it to say Windows 7?


13 posted on 01/17/2014 10:09:18 PM PST by entropy12 (Great republics wither when more people figure out they can get free stuff by electing socialists.)
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To: doc1019

I finally chucked a bunch of stuff, one thing folks like Microsoft and HP could do was put out documentation,, lots of docs. and floppies..


14 posted on 01/17/2014 10:09:31 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Olog-hai

At least they’re not running Windows 8. :-P


15 posted on 01/17/2014 10:10:17 PM PST by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: doc1019

I’ve had Windows 7 on my computer for about two years and it is constantly running and I haven’t had any problems. I couldn’t say that about Windows XP.


16 posted on 01/17/2014 10:13:37 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Bobalu

> If I was designing an ATM I would use an ARM SoC.
> The Raspberry Pi would make a nice foundation for an ATM.

Yeah, I can see that.

> A good geek would use an ARM programmed in C for building an ATM.

No; A good geek would use something that had a native fixed-point numeric, something suited for the job — Ada or perhaps COBOL (considering we ARE talking about financials here).


17 posted on 01/17/2014 10:13:44 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: entropy12

You can probably download it straight from the Microsoft store.


18 posted on 01/17/2014 10:14:34 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Olog-hai
Within the last year I read that almost 50% of USA corporations still use XP.

I used it for four years, and it worked fine.

When the Space Shuttle was retired, about 90% of its code was still in its original form, which was written in the 1970’s.

Of course, the Space Shuttle was kind of a reverse ATM.

You put money in it every day, but no money ever came back out.

19 posted on 01/17/2014 10:17:54 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: entropy12

Lots of folks put it on a bootable thumbdrive and install it that way.


20 posted on 01/17/2014 10:18:48 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: entropy12

Upgrading the OS is usually a bad idea because the hardware might not support it. You would be better off using the money towards a new machine.


21 posted on 01/17/2014 10:20:50 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: doc1019

Hmm? I think this is about security updates, not user-friendliness. As far as the latter goes, they did hit a brick wall with Win8.


22 posted on 01/17/2014 10:21:23 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

there are kiosks and stuff running O/S 2 still in existence


23 posted on 01/17/2014 10:24:13 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: NormsRevenge

Apparently some still run OS/2


24 posted on 01/17/2014 10:24:52 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Olog-hai

Still trying to figure out why banks and ATM manufacturers would use something so oversized, vulnerable and cumbersome as a full blown PC OS to do something so simple. And of course using an OS like XP opens up a world of vulnerabilities for hackers to exploit. Makes one wonder who is making what decisions and why.


25 posted on 01/17/2014 10:34:10 PM PST by nvscanman
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To: GeronL

I remember OS/2; back then, I thought it was going to take off. Guess the MS association undermined it. Looks like eComStation is offering support for OS/2-based ATMs, too.


26 posted on 01/17/2014 10:34:44 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: GeronL

Loading stacks was always fun. If it’s stable, don’t mess with not.


27 posted on 01/17/2014 10:36:13 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: NormsRevenge

Win98sr2, yes, 95 no.

As someone who developed Windows software with a couple of tools.


28 posted on 01/17/2014 10:36:33 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: GeronL

I still have a copy of OS2 somewhere.


29 posted on 01/17/2014 10:37:17 PM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: Olog-hai

These ATMs are probably not surfing for porn on the Internet, so what’s the likelihood of them being hacked/infected?


30 posted on 01/17/2014 10:38:00 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Sodomy and abortion. The only constitutional rights protected by Democrats.)
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To: Olog-hai

MS was supposed to help OS/2 but they undermined it instead and released their own OS instead; Windows. In other words they stabbed their partner in the back in a manner of speaking.


31 posted on 01/17/2014 10:38:35 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Olog-hai

My ATM here doesn’t use any OS I recognize.


32 posted on 01/17/2014 10:38:53 PM PST by Wiggins
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To: nvscanman

XP has several versions that are specialized for particular applications. They’re almost certainly using a variety of the “kiosk” version, ehich is quite a bit less bulky than the ordinary workstation version. You have to dig pretty deeply into the MS software catalog to find it, but it’s there.

And yes, it’s stupid that these machines are still running XP in this day and age. They should long ago have been upgraded, or replaced with a more dedicated OS. It’s not like they need a huge amount of horsepower from the OS. A smartphone could provide the functionality for even a complex ATM these days, and it would look nicer too.


33 posted on 01/17/2014 10:40:55 PM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

XP is good.

Wow I’m wildy out of date!! I run Windows XP I like it!!!


34 posted on 01/17/2014 10:43:06 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: F15Eagle

If win95 could have supported USB2.O, I could still be using a nice old SONY Desktop of mine!

WIN98 was Millennium as I recall. I would have needed a new mother board , by then I went laptop.


35 posted on 01/17/2014 10:48:40 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: NormsRevenge

I recall Millennium followed. I never had an WinMe machine.

I have two 98sr2 machines out in storage. AND one with Windows for Workgroups 3.11 which was cool because it had built-in faxing software (if your modem was on a landline).


36 posted on 01/17/2014 10:51:09 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: NormsRevenge

Windows 1.0 was packaged with the first Aldus Pagemaker. I still have the install disketts and box. Crashed alot. but we werre able to publish a newsletter using it. Nice Placeholder layout that you could just update by overlaying the placeholder file.


37 posted on 01/17/2014 11:03:34 PM PST by kvanbrunt2
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To: doc1019
And here I thought that ATM’s were running proprietary software.

They are.

It's just that it's running on top of Windoze.

Stupid bankers! They should have chosen Linux. That way they wouldn't have to pay interest to Mr Bill. And upgrades are easy if you pick a decent distro.

38 posted on 01/17/2014 11:11:22 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: tallyhoe

That’s what I run too. Power went out in the neighborhood when I was in the middle of work using a few programs. Power cam back on and I did not lose any work. XP good!


39 posted on 01/17/2014 11:32:25 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: doc1019

Windows XP was never crap but get your point. Win95 was really secure if you set it up right.

What has always been crap is Mac except long,long ago when its graphics were actually better than IBM8086.


40 posted on 01/17/2014 11:38:32 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: F15Eagle
98 was a minor update to win 95
98SE was a major update to 98
ME was a disaster
XP is an icon
Vista was a joke
7 is largely XP with glass
8: I like it. Just make the hated start screen into what you want.
41 posted on 01/17/2014 11:47:37 PM PST by 867V309 (I love potatoes-except, of course, Lena Dunham)
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To: entropy12

Use a CD/DVD drive that connects via USB.


42 posted on 01/17/2014 11:56:48 PM PST by DB
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To: rockrr; Jonty30; Squawk 8888; DB

Thanks for your input and suggestions.

It is my daughter’s notebook laptop and she is currently in Spain. She is renting a router made by Astoria Networks (I believe a German outfit) and her Windows XP does not have a driver for wireless connection to that router. Windows update did not install that driver! But her cable connection via ethernet works so all is not lost.


43 posted on 01/18/2014 12:16:20 AM PST by entropy12 (Great republics wither when more people figure out they can get free stuff by electing socialists.)
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To: dalereed

I’m still running XP, and I hate the newer MS Office format, too. I’m not here to gawk at the graphics, I want to get things done.


44 posted on 01/18/2014 12:42:44 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: doc1019

hmmmm..... you fail to mention Windows ME


45 posted on 01/18/2014 12:53:43 AM PST by stylin19a (Obama -> Fredo smart)
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To: entropy12

If she can’t connect wirelessly, it’s not because there’s a missing driver specific to that particular brand of router. There’s no such thing as brand-specific wifi connection drivers for an 802.11 wifi router.

Either she doesn’t have the correct driver for the internal wireless card in her laptop, or the router is on a different channel or frequency than her laptop. European routers have a few more channels on the b/g spectrum than US routers, so she may have to get the channel on the router set to one between 1 and 11 (it might be up on 12-15). Or, the router might be an 802.11a, and her laptop only has a b/g wifi adapter. If it’s an “a” vs “b/g” problem, she can get a USB adapter for almost nothing that will let her communicate over the router’s frequency.


46 posted on 01/18/2014 1:07:08 AM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: All

I’m running a Dell box with a Core 2 Duo CPU @ 2.00 GHz and 3.5 GB of RAM along with a 512 MB video card and W98XP SP3 (I actually have 4GB of RAM but W98 only recognizes 3.5GB)

I also have HDMI output to my 42” LCD TV as well as a bunch of other toys. There’s nothing on W7/Vista/W8 that I want or need.

My Computer runs great and I love W98 and despise the newer Operating Systems as I had to use them at work.

They are basically bloatware and require extra hardware to run. I remember when W95 first came out. I believe the min. requirements were a 486 DX, P-90 recommended and 8 MB RAM, 12 MB Recommended.

Look at the min. specs for W7 for example. Insane.

My PC is fast, dependable and no problems, viruses or Malware.

I run AVG Internet Security as well as Malwarbytes AntiMalware and run weekly scans, and they’ll pry W98 out of my cold dead fingers!

Seriously, I’ll probably have to upgrade due to security reasons once MS stops supporting W98. Maybe they will continue to support W98 with all of these ATM’s running W98!


47 posted on 01/18/2014 2:08:24 AM PST by Rodney Dangerfield ("Close the Voter ID Loophole! ID & Background checks for all voters!")
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To: Rodney Dangerfield

Win ME = Mistake Edition.

Who remembers “Microsoft Bob”?

Windows NT?

Windows 3.0/3.1?

Various versions of DOS?
Commands like “Edlin” to Edit files?

I wonder how many useful DOS commands I still remember?

Win 95 first came out on CD or 1.44 Disks. Lot’s of them. Over 100 I believe. That was a long install process.


48 posted on 01/18/2014 2:16:50 AM PST by Rodney Dangerfield ("Close the Voter ID Loophole! ID & Background checks for all voters!")
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To: Rodney Dangerfield

If you were a computer nerd, it made for a satisfactory Friday night.


49 posted on 01/18/2014 3:02:04 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Olog-hai

Most if not all ATMs are connected to private networks or run over highly secure VPNs. In these environments getting hacked is a very unlikely event. If security were truly a concern, the operating system used would not be Windoze. Most likely candidate would be a unix or linux variant.


50 posted on 01/18/2014 3:07:20 AM PST by ByteMercenary (Healthcare Insurance is *NOT* a Constitutional right.)
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