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Some states look at reviving firing squads amid shortage of execution drugs
NBC News ^ | 1/17/14 | M. Alex Johnson

Posted on 01/18/2014 3:55:42 AM PST by Libloather

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Firing squads have all but disappeared from the U.S. While Oklahoma law provides for them if lethal injection is ever ruled unconstitutional, only Utah actually continues to use them, and then only for inmates convicted before 2004 as it seeks to phase them out. But the shortage of pentobarbitol has some lawmakers reconsidering.

State Sen. Bruce Burns filed a similar bill (.pdf) Monday in Wyoming, saying the state would have to do something soon before it runs out of approved drugs for lethal injections.

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KEYWORDS: drugs; execution; firing; squad
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"I'm from Texas and in Texas we have the death penalty and we use it. That's right, if you come to Texas and kill somebody, we will kill you back. That's our policy. Right now there's a bill in the Texas legislature that would speed up the execution process of those convicted of a heinous crime with more than three credible witnesses. If more than three people saw you do what you did you don't sit on death row for 15 years Jack, you go straight to the front of the line. Other states are trying to abolish the death penalty. My state's puttin in an express lane."

Ron White- Blue Collar Comedy Tour

1 posted on 01/18/2014 3:55:42 AM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Hanging would be more efficient, and cost-effective. There are even online calculators now to help the executioner get the drop length correct.

I would imagine the Gallows would be a more effective deterrent than a bunch of rifles in a locker somewhere.


2 posted on 01/18/2014 3:59:07 AM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Libloather

How about ol’ Sparky?


3 posted on 01/18/2014 3:59:40 AM PST by Crazieman (Are you naive enough to think VOTING will fix this entrenched system?)
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To: Libloather

I think the solution to the problem is to execute the animals in the same manner they killed their victims and draw it out for as long as it took the animal to kill the victim.

The executions should be held outside the prison on a special platform so that the public could watch.

After the execution, the body should be disposed of in a tree limb shredder, the remains placed in a trash can and sent to their parents.


4 posted on 01/18/2014 4:01:08 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Little Pig

Why don’t they give these animals a hot shot of Heroin?
we have all heard stories of Junkies dying with the needle still in their arm.


5 posted on 01/18/2014 4:01:44 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: Yorlik803

Probably two reasons: one, it involves “illegal” drugs, which the gov cannot be seen to condone at any cost (note sarcasm), and two, it is too pleasant (based on testimony I’ve read from people who nearly went all the way); it is by definition painless, of course, but I think it also would take too long. Even a big OD would still probably take more than an hour to shut someone down all the way.


6 posted on 01/18/2014 4:06:37 AM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Yorlik803
A tank of Nitrogen and a mask.
Cheap, painless and a plentiful supply all around us.
7 posted on 01/18/2014 4:10:51 AM PST by Politically Correct (A member of the rabble in good standing)
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To: Crazieman
How about ol’ Sparky?

Indeed. One of the funniest cartoons I ever saw was one I came across in the 1950s. It showed the condemned man walking into what is obviously the room where the electric chair is. Above the door is written: "You can be sure if it's Westinghouse."

The reference for those not living then is that that was the heavily-advertised slogan of The Westinghouse Corporation.

8 posted on 01/18/2014 4:11:07 AM PST by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: Little Pig

Guillotines are the most efficient, effective, and humane way to kill somebody.


9 posted on 01/18/2014 4:18:16 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: DH

Then there would be no more death penalties.


10 posted on 01/18/2014 4:18:52 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Yorlik803

The therapeutic index of heroin is rather high (it takes a lot to kill you), and where would you get it? The same suppliers who refuse to sell pentobarbitol would refuse to produce heroin to be used as a killing agent. Pentobarbitol is not used in lethal doses in death penalty cases, btw. It is used to “safely” put the convict to sleep prior to the administration of lethal drugs. The effects of the lethal drugs may be painful (for a while), but the convict is too sedated to exhibit pain.

Personally, I would prefer to execute prisoners by nitrogen asphyxiation, which is how many pounds kill unwanted stray animals.


11 posted on 01/18/2014 4:20:03 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Getting the drug is easy....just go to any highschool. And the plus side is after the pusher sells it you can arrest him for dealing.
But your way sounds a lot easier.


12 posted on 01/18/2014 4:23:19 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: Little Pig

With hanging there is a trade-off between insuring that the drop breaks the neck (causing a quicker death) and snapping the head off. Some obese convicts might have to hang around for a while, since it might not be possible to execute them quickly without causing a mess. The drawback to hanging has always been that if the prisoner is not killed quickly, the death can be prolonged and ghastly. I really have no problem with hanging, it is as humane as any form of execution, simple and foolproof, and safe for all but the intended victim.


13 posted on 01/18/2014 4:24:33 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: Libloather

Hangin too good for them?


14 posted on 01/18/2014 4:27:40 AM PST by usmcobra (Happiness is a belt fed weapon.)
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To: DH

“After the execution, the body should be disposed of in a tree limb shredder, the remains placed in a trash can and sent to their parents.”

Along with a bill for time and materials.


15 posted on 01/18/2014 4:29:02 AM PST by Artie (We are surrounded by MORONS)
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To: Libloather
The far left wants those drugs used to kill unwanted grandparents. They can't spare a few doses a year for murderers.

Dennis McGuire was convicted in 1994 of the rape and murder of 22-year-old Joy Stewart, who was seven months pregnant.

Four decades after kidnapping a Bay Harbor Islands couple and shooting them execution-style in the woods of South Miami-Dade, Thomas Knight will be put to death by lethal injection on Tuesday night . . . for a third murder: the 1980 fatal stabbing of Death Row state corrections Officer Richard Burke.

Michael Wilson, 38, was executed shortly after 6 p.m. at the state penitentiary in McAlester . . . beat 30-year-old store manager, Richard Yost, to death with a metal baseball bat. The beating, which took place inside the store's cooler, was captured on surveillance video. Police arrested four men, including Wilson. All four were convicted of murder. Three of the men were sentenced to death. Wilson was the last of the men to be executed.

Steve Smith, 46, was executed by lethal injection at the state prison in Lucasville in southern Ohio for the 1998 killing of his live-in girlfriend's 6-month-old daughter as he raped her.


"Granny" (representative pic, not an actual victim - yet). A sweet, innocent woman whose medical care would require money that could be used instead for sex change operations or redistributed to those with connections.

Liberals disapprove of all but one of the executions on this list. I find their enthusiasm for the death of innocents disturbing.

16 posted on 01/18/2014 4:32:03 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Libloather; All

Nothing is as immoral as showing more concern for a criminal’s passing than that of an innocent victim.

I miss Sparky, Florida’s Electric Chair. It worked. Never saw a criminal walk away after sitting in it

If the Criminal Rights NutJobs are concerned about innocent people being executed, they should look to fix our justice system. Note that none of the folks protesting the Death Penalty ever protest the incompetent justice system


17 posted on 01/18/2014 4:33:10 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Amnesty And Not Ending ObamaCare Will Kill GOP In 2014)
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To: Libloather

Several people at a plant I worked at were killed by a nitrogen leak. Nitrogen filled the room, displaced the oxygen and they all died, unaware there was a problem. Do pain, no mess, cheap as dirt.


18 posted on 01/18/2014 4:38:54 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Jonty30

The clean up afterwards would be a little rough for the custodial staff.


19 posted on 01/18/2014 4:43:06 AM PST by gusty
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To: Libloather

I still prefer the Old West method.

Have the undertaker measure the condemned for a coffin.

Have the executioner weigh them to get the gallows set correctly.

And make sure the condemned can hear the carpenters sawing the wood and hammering in the nail for the gallows, right outside the jail.

Then have a public announcement and invite the townsfolk to witness the hanging.

Than after there dead, let them swing for about a week until they start to stink, cut ‘em loose and call the family to come get ‘em.

If the family don’t want him, dump him out in the woods for the buzzards and worms to eat.

Problem solved.


20 posted on 01/18/2014 4:43:40 AM PST by amigatec (The only change you will see in the next four years will be what's in your pocket.)
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To: gusty

Have the guillotine in a room that can get sprayed down like an automatic dishwasher. :)


21 posted on 01/18/2014 4:47:35 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30

They have a certain edge over other methods.


22 posted on 01/18/2014 4:49:21 AM PST by xp38
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To: OldPossum
The story goes that when Thomas Edison was in competition with Westinghouse to electrify America, with Edison pushing DC and Westinghouse AC, he contrived a demonstration where a horse or an elephant was electrocuted using AC current to demonstrate the dangers of high voltage. Films were made of the "execution" , and they appeared so painless and benign that they had the effect of convincing legislatures to adopt electrocution as the means of execution.
23 posted on 01/18/2014 4:53:02 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: Jonty30

The guillotine makes a mess. Hang ‘em.


24 posted on 01/18/2014 4:54:06 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: OldPossum

In the original fight between DC and AC current ( that was Teslas and Westinghouses system), Edison invented the electric chair to demonstrate how deadly AC current was. Even went so far as to electrocute an Elephant.


25 posted on 01/18/2014 4:59:21 AM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms in Dixie!)
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To: Libloather

I am very pro-death penalty.

However, since many innocents have been executed by the state, I would want a proviso that stated that a prosecutor who convicted someone who then was executed and later found to be innocent, would in turn be executed.

Everyone here thinks the government is incompetent at just about everything - and who can argue with that - so the notion of trusting them to determine who should be executed without ramifications to the designated executioners is ludicrous to me.


26 posted on 01/18/2014 5:01:46 AM PST by sakic
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Some automatic high pressure washers makes the mess a non-issue.


27 posted on 01/18/2014 5:04:33 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30

Biological waste is an issue, especially if the convict has HIV or other contagious diseases. Even hanging makes a mess, which is why I prefer nitrogen asphyxiation.


28 posted on 01/18/2014 5:06:43 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: Yorlik803

Plenty of drugs available.
propofol + Potassium Chloride, chased with Norcuronium and it’s mission accomplished.


29 posted on 01/18/2014 5:09:24 AM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms in Dixie!)
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To: sakic
However, since many innocents have been executed by the state, I would want a proviso that stated that a prosecutor witnesses and LEO , who convicted someone who then was executed and later found to be innocent, would in turn be executed.

Added two to the list, everyone

30 posted on 01/18/2014 5:11:28 AM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: sakic

Can you cite one case where a person who was “clearly innocent” has been executed in the United States. (Not counting lynchings.) I don’t think there can be more than a handful.


31 posted on 01/18/2014 5:14:53 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

You’re concerned about soon-to-be dead convicts catching colds is very touching.


32 posted on 01/18/2014 5:14:59 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

-— Can you cite one case where a person who was “clearly innocent” has been executed in the United States. (Not counting lynchings.) I don’t think there can be more than a handful.-—

Also, tbis risk has to be weighed against the risk to prison guards and other prisoners from those serving life sentences.

Another risk is that “lifers” may be released by a future administration, with the opportunity to murder again.


33 posted on 01/18/2014 5:24:14 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Libloather
Re: Some states look at reviving firing squads amid shortage of execution drugs

Have gun... will travel!

34 posted on 01/18/2014 5:25:44 AM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Jonty30

I am worried about the risks and costs associated with the clean up. Disposing of a corpse is not cheap, but when the corpse has a huge open wound, the expense (and risks to those involved) is even greater.


35 posted on 01/18/2014 5:26:10 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row

This is a list of just the known instances. Certainly there have been plenty more, especially before DNA came into play.

I don’t trust my government with the most menial and simple tasks, why would I trust them on matters of life and death?


36 posted on 01/18/2014 5:27:54 AM PST by sakic
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

No problem. You use two false doors, one for the body and one for the head. When the guillotine drops down, it triggers the floors and the parts drop down below into a moat with hungry alligators. There is no mess to clean up beyond the spray cycle.


37 posted on 01/18/2014 5:33:03 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

I forgot to exclude the Salem Witch trials, which are remarkable when compared to similar contemporaneous events in Europe and England, not for their savagery, but for the fact that the authorities very soon repudiated the treatment of the convicts. They took place in the aftermath of the Glorious Revolution, when their was no royal governor in Massachusetts. When a replacement was sent after restoration of the Crown, he took measures to repudiate the act.


38 posted on 01/18/2014 5:33:41 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: Libloather

1/2 lb of C-4 to the back of the head. The shockwave is traveling far faster than your nerves so you never feel it, its over in a couple of milliseconds.

Make other inmates clean the mess off the walls as a deterrent before they get paroled.


39 posted on 01/18/2014 5:44:23 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Little Pig

“Hanging would be more efficient, and cost-effective.”

They should be public and on Sunday so everyone could come out and cheer and observe!!!


40 posted on 01/18/2014 5:50:18 AM PST by dalereed
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To: sakic
I don’t trust my government with the most menial and simple tasks, why would I trust them on matters of life and death?

Hurricane Carter was "freed from death row" and is as guilty as hell. As Bill Ayers described himself, "Guilty as Hell and free as a bird. What a country!" "Freed from death row" is hardly the same as innocent. I doubt if even one percent of the people on that list are actually innocent in any meaningful sense, other than legalistically.

As Margret Thatcher (and I am sure others) have observed, when the government becomes involved in things it should not do, it does them poorly, and the incompetence spills over to larger things it should be doing. Maintenance of the peace is the prime charge of government, protecting the weak from predators, and punishing wrong doers. The most effective way of maintaining the peace is to insure that those that breach it are quickly and severely punished.

As a society, we have lost the stomach to punish evil. Prisons do not deter, the death penalty, as administered is a bad joke.

41 posted on 01/18/2014 5:56:59 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: sakic

Early in our country’s history, when the death penalty was applicable, the rules of evidence were more severe. Following the Old Testament’s Hebrew tradition, a person could only be put to death for murder if there were two witnesses. The Hebrew tradition also mandated an equal punishment for any person found guilty of bearing false witness in such an accusation.

While many think this is too flippant, it should be noted that with those rigorous rules of evidence, those charged with murder had an 80% acquittal rate. Nevertheless, capital punishment did provide incentive to not commit murder and false witness.


42 posted on 01/18/2014 5:59:32 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Abathar

It’s the same with the guillotine. The blade comes down another. Slices through the neck faster than the body can register pain.

If anybody claims that the prisoner was in pain, afterwards, we can just say that it was all in the prisoners head.


43 posted on 01/18/2014 6:03:31 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Libloather

“...having all of these troubles getting the drugs to administer the lethal injection,”

I am having trouble understanding how there could be a shortage of such drugs. and have seen no explanation as to how this has occurred.


44 posted on 01/18/2014 6:14:53 AM PST by MeshugeMikey (This Message NOT Approved By The N.S.A.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

As I understand it, the manufacturers of the key drugs are European and the EU has passed laws that forbid selling them to the UD.


45 posted on 01/18/2014 6:24:53 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30

I can see how that would happen given the FDA’s hyper ultra super stringent long drawn out.....approval process


46 posted on 01/18/2014 6:26:48 AM PST by MeshugeMikey (This Message NOT Approved By The N.S.A.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I am right with you on punishing evil, but why are you not willing to hold government responsible for this most serious of issues?

By pointing out one instance where the government was right, you are also pointing that they are often wrong.

Then toss in the inherent corruption of government and it is hard to understand placing blind faith in these same institutions you rail against on other less significant issues

We all want them out of our lives because they are incompetent at everything they touch, yet so many of my conservative friends have no problem with the government deciding who should be executed without holding their feet to the fire.

What is wrong with holding prosecutors responsible? They are elected officials who justify their existence by citing their conviction rates.

This sets up a situation where they will push for a conviction even if they find out the accused is innocent. This is an impossible scenario for me to support.


47 posted on 01/18/2014 6:32:14 AM PST by sakic
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To: sakic
Maybe we could get a muzzy to offer his services in the name of Allah, that way we have NO expense and the end result will be the same.
48 posted on 01/18/2014 6:35:15 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: sakic

In a case like Nifong, a long prison sentence is clearly justified, but prosecutors shouldn’t stand in fear of endless frivolous and malicious lawsuits.

Nifong-ism arose because the government got into the habit of catering to base habits and raw political expediency. It is incumbent on the electorate to punish abuses of power, and to limit government power. But in the Land of Obama, abuse of power, lawlessness and political expediency have become he norm. You are probably right, our next attorney general will probably try to have the Koch brothers executed and Mumia Abu-Jamal awarded the Medal of Freedom.


49 posted on 01/18/2014 6:42:24 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: Jonty30

You’re right, they were invented for that reason.


50 posted on 01/18/2014 6:45:38 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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