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Young Liberal: As Much As I Support Obamacare, I Just Can't Afford It
Townhall.com ^ | January 17, 2014 | Guy Benson

Posted on 01/18/2014 4:03:19 AM PST by Kaslin

David Kurtz of the lefty website TPM -- to his credit -- published an email he received from a young reader living in New York City. The 32-year-old correspondent wrote that much to his chagrin as an ardent backer of the president and his unpopular healthcare law, he's unable to afford its price tag. He suggests that his personal situation exemplifies the broader problems the program will have attracting the participation of young, healthy people:

I'm a 32 year-old healthy male that wants, but can't afford, Obamacare. I think the law is a step in the right direction, it just doesn't go far enough to capture my peers in large numbers. Let me offer my situation: I earn 55,000 a year working in a restaurant, though I have a Masters Degree. I live in Brooklyn. I earn too much to qualify for assistance with healthcare, so my premium is $308/month. My apartment rent is $1400/month, student loans are just under $800/month, I pay around $200/month in credit card bills, $100 for a cell phone, and $50 for car insurance. Then we have food, movies, metro cards, etc, etc ... Run the numbers, where do I find room for another $308/month??? I've been off my parents insurance for 8 years. I've been to the doctor less than 5 times in those years, for a total cost of under $500. It's hard for me to justify spending almost $3800 a year on a bronze plan when that's more than 7 times what I've paid over the last 8 years! And even spending that much, I've still got a large deductible to cover. I know I'm not getting any younger, but man, these numbers are hard to swallow, much less get excited about!

Many TPM readers replied angrily, lecturing "TC" about his life choices, questioning his story and motives, and ordering him to suck it up and shell out the cash. A sample offering (content warning):

Never written in before, but I call bullshit on TC. He has plenty of money to afford health insurance, but doesn't think he needs insurance, and obviously doesn't care enough about making the program successful to sign up. Really it's no better than a Tea Party response - I don't need no stinking health insurance, and if something does happen I'll just go to the emergency room. With friends like that, the opponents of Obamacare won't have to do much at all.


Twitter's @JustKarl sums up this brand of impotent rage rather well:

@guypbenson @gabrielmalor All three categories of reaction overlook that their reactions don't eliminate TC and people like him. — Just Karl (@justkarl) January 16, 2014


Exactly. No amount of scolding and gnashing of teeth will change the fundamental flaws of this law. If Obamacare's prices are sufficiently expensive to chase away someone like TC, who is strongly ideologically disposed to sign up, corralling the attention and dollars of the ambivalent and/or skeptical masses will be a much heavier lift. Dollars and cents cannot be spun away. Reality has intruded on Obamacare advocates' fantasies. This challenge helps explain Obamacare's paltry youth participation rates to date (don't forget that actual enrollment numbers remain shrouded in incompetence and mystery), a phenomenon that undermines the law's financial model. Imagine how young people will react if this Obamacare pipe bursts within the next year. Krauthammer:

Krauthammer's Take: Healthcare.gov Insecurities 'a Disaster Waiting to Happen'



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: baitandswitch; krauthammer; obamacare; obamacareanecdotes; obamacarefail; obamacarepremiums; obamafail; obamalied; youcankeepitgate; youngliberal
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1 posted on 01/18/2014 4:03:19 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Don’t worry the Republicans will step in and save the day and own then it. People, socialism is ugly; get used to it.


2 posted on 01/18/2014 4:07:37 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Kaslin
Then we have food, movies, metro cards, etc, etc ... Run the numbers, where do I find room for another $308/month???

Hand sandwiches, no movies and get rid of the phone. It's easy.

3 posted on 01/18/2014 4:14:07 AM PST by Libloather (Embrace the suck)
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To: Kaslin

I think the law is a step in the right direction, it just doesn’t go far enough to capture my peers in large numbers.

Translation: Make someone else pay what I don’t want to pay.


4 posted on 01/18/2014 4:15:16 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: Kaslin

So when the pre-Obamacare crowd went to the ER for medical care, we were supposed to feel sorry for them, right? Now, however, the left calls the new ER visitors “deadbeats” and “freeloaders.” What happened to the love and compassion for the less fortunate?


5 posted on 01/18/2014 4:20:33 AM PST by Prince of Space (Be Breitbart, baby. LIFB.)
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To: TalBlack
Translation: Make someone else pay what I don’t want to pay.

Exactly. This guy really supports single-payer.

What he doesn't get is that single-payer is basically ObamaCare, just with the Government handling the money rather than mandating that the transactions take place between the consumer and the insurance provider.

Or that, as a 32 year old, under single-payer the government will FORCE him to pay his "fair-share". Which looks to be about $3800 per year that he claims he doesn't have. Even under the existing Obamacare structure, he seems oblivious to the fact that he's going to have to pay a fine (er, per Justice Roberts, a "tax") due to his non-enrollment. One that will increase substantially over the next few years.
6 posted on 01/18/2014 4:27:48 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: Kaslin
The 32-year-old correspondent wrote that much to his chagrin as an ardent backer of the president and his unpopular healthcare law...

Perhaps our young hero should question why he blindly backs a law that clearly doesn't work for him. Basic analysis easily shows that his is far from an isolated case, and that for most people in his situation--young, healthy, not eligible for a subsidy--Obamacare is way overpriced. A little more analysis would reveal that if it doesn't work for his group of healthy invincibles, there will be no money available to pay for the old and the sick.

But, being a liberal means you never have to do any analysis. You love the healthcare law because Obama created it, and you love Obama because he's a democrat and you're a democrat

7 posted on 01/18/2014 4:31:46 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree ( July 4, 1776: Declaration of Independence. Nov 6, 2012: Declaration of Dependence. R.I.P. America.)
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To: Libloather

“Hand sandwiches”?

That does sound a little extreme.


8 posted on 01/18/2014 4:33:13 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Kaslin

I ran his numbers, allocating $500 for food, metro card, etc. and taking the 55K as his gross and 75% of that as his net (an estimate I’ve been using for 20 years as a bookkeeper) and my calculations indicate that although he probably could buy the ins, and almost certainly WOULD buy it if he had health issues (and remember it wouldn’t cost him any more if he did) it would use up pretty much all of his discretionary income.

He wouldn’t be able to save ANY money.

I’m surprised he has a car, but since he does he’s probably got coverage for any car-related injuries under that policy.

This is what I said, people are just not going to buy something they feel they can’t afford. It isn’t going to matter who tells them: sure you can afford it. Who ever listens to other people on issues like this? Nobody. Not libs, not mods, not cons.

I don’t know what a pre-Obama care policy might have cost this guy. My impression is that NY had so many mandates in place already that the costs there have actually gone down.

But, I bet if you had a plan that offered this guy what most healthy people want - catastrophic coverage (I call it appendicitis/cancer/hit by a car insurance) and it cost him about $100/month - he’d sign right up.


9 posted on 01/18/2014 4:40:04 AM PST by jocon307
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To: tanknetter

Yes, but the fine is capped at 2.5% of income (I think), in this guy’s case that would be $1375 - which works out to a little over $100/month.

Like I said in my previous post, I bet that’s an amount he would feel he could afford.

He says he’s paying $50/month for auto insurance - he’s probably got a much higher chance of having a car accident than he does of getting cancer. To pay 6 times as much for health insurance doesn’t make sense based on risk. (Well, that’s what I’m saying, but I’m no expert!)


10 posted on 01/18/2014 4:43:35 AM PST by jocon307
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To: Kaslin

I think the vast majority of people under 40 feel and think the same way and will do the same as this guy.
And it will only get worse.
People who have subscribed to obammacare will start to drop out of paying the premiums, losing their insurance.
The deductibles will cause many to forgo medical care and/or treatments as trying to come up with the huge deductibles is a big bite out of anyone yearly expenses.
And since anyone can go to the ER if they get sick or need medical attention at the drop of a hat, why not?


11 posted on 01/18/2014 4:53:31 AM PST by rawhide
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To: Kaslin

I wonder has this guy looked into catastrophic insurance?


12 posted on 01/18/2014 4:55:24 AM PST by rawhide
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To: jocon307
Yes, but the fine is capped at 2.5% of income (I think), in this guy’s case that would be $1375 - which works out to a little over $100/month.

But that's only for the first year, right? IIRC it escalates pretty significantly by 2016 or 2017.

I've been trying to find a calculator to see what the penalty would be under different circumstances, but haven't located one yet.
13 posted on 01/18/2014 4:55:30 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: Kaslin

he meant to say...

“I think the law is a ‘goose’ step in the right direction...”


14 posted on 01/18/2014 5:00:52 AM PST by BCW (Salva reipublicae)
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To: Kaslin
The $308 a month will come from the movies, and may well force him into a smaller apartment.... ObamaCare is a direct transfer of money that was circulating in the economy into the Medical Sector, thereby providing jobs.

Big Government has already taken these type of initiatives to save the Auto Industry, why not save the medical industry....

15 posted on 01/18/2014 5:02:42 AM PST by Jumper
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To: 9YearLurker; Libloather

“Hand sandwiches”?

That does sound a little extreme.

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Eventually you gotta run out of hands.


16 posted on 01/18/2014 5:09:48 AM PST by raybbr (I weep over my sons' future in this Godforsaken country.)
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To: TalBlack
This idiot still supports the jackass who helped turn his masters degree and $800 a month in student loans into a restaurant job. As if that wasn't enough he also supports an obamacare that will take $1500 a year to penalize him for not being able to afford insurance. I bet he will love it when the penalty doubles in a year or two.
17 posted on 01/18/2014 5:13:58 AM PST by peeps36 (I' Not A Racist, I Hate Douchebags of All Colors)
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To: Kaslin

I have an idea.
Lets just worry about making f.....n Obamas damn plan a success by letting people die when they get sick to make it more affordable.
Oh wait........that is the plan.


18 posted on 01/18/2014 5:19:16 AM PST by right way right
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To: Libloather

19 posted on 01/18/2014 5:20:54 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: listenhillary; Libloather

Of course—the hearty form of finger sandwiches!


20 posted on 01/18/2014 5:46:22 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Kaslin
obviously doesn't care enough about making the program successful"

So it's not about health care, it's about making Barry's program successful like a good comrade would. Notice they're calling it Obamacare, not the AFFORDABLE Care Act (that isn't so affordable). $800 a month in student loans? Obviously he went to a school he could not afford in the least! Hope he had a good time!

21 posted on 01/18/2014 5:53:39 AM PST by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: Kaslin

Occasionally, for grins and giggles , I visit the DUmp to do opposition research. What TC got from his lib cohorts IS par for the course. The LiberalPretzelLogic that makes leftie DUmmies blindly, rabidly support ObamaCare (and EBT, ObamaPhones, and students RIGHTS to a Masters Degree in BasketWeavingArtistry of Germanic LGTB Artisans in Bronze Age) TURNS against those who DARE say they can’t afford ObamaCare.

Suddenly, cell phones (but poor MUST have an obamaPhone) are a UNNECESSARY; apt choices (obviously racist neighborhood choice) educational background (what IS your Masters in if you can’t find a job???) are ALL fair game for CONTEMPT when the poster says “I can’t afford ACA.”

There is STILL a portion of Koolaid drinkers who will DEFEND ObamaCare til their last high copay and deductible breath.

It’s fun to read!


22 posted on 01/18/2014 5:57:37 AM PST by PennsylvaniaMom ( Just because you are paranoid, it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you...n)
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To: TalBlack
Translation: Make someone else pay what I don’t want to pay.

When your support depends on having the other guy pay for it, it must really disappoint to find out that you are the other guy.

23 posted on 01/18/2014 6:02:44 AM PST by Bernard (The Road To Hell is not paved with good results.)
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To: 9YearLurker

>>“Hand sandwiches”?

That does sound a little extreme.>>

Not at all. Sounds nice and crunchy, especially with some hot sauce.


24 posted on 01/18/2014 6:03:07 AM PST by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY.)
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To: Kaslin

Don’t worry, a “bipartisan compromise” will save the day.

The Democrats get: raising the debt limit to $60 trillion and printing enough money to give every woman and person of color $4000/year to buy Obamacare.

The Republicans get Obamacare Premium Savings Accounts for all others, where money accumulates tax-free until age 60, when they have to pay it all back out of their obscene 1%-er profits earned by raping women and people of color. In case the profits are not enough, their assets will be seized when they die.

“It’s the best we could do”, explained Boehner and McConnell


25 posted on 01/18/2014 6:06:35 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Kaslin
It sounds like this guy is still delusional enough to believe that the purpose of ObamaCare is to insure people like him.

The purpose of ObamaCare is to compel people like him to pay inflated "insurance premiums" to subsidize the health care of other people.

26 posted on 01/18/2014 6:25:52 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: rawhide

Not allowed under obamacare. Those policies are deemed “substandard.”


27 posted on 01/18/2014 6:33:21 AM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

You hit the nail square on the head


28 posted on 01/18/2014 6:37:54 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Prince of Space

“What happened to the love and compassion for the less fortunate?”

Now the leftists are against “freeloaders”. Great, hand the freeloaders the bill for their services and leave the rest of us alone. (I think Scalia said as much in open court.) Unfortunately, leftists are not against the freeloaders. They just use such words in the moment to advance their agenda.

The leftists will say anything, at any time, even if it contradicts what they said at any previous moment in order to advance their agenda for power without regard to those whom they try to crush and destroy (intentionally or not).


29 posted on 01/18/2014 6:41:45 AM PST by Susquehanna Patriot (U Think Leftist/Liberals Still Believe That Dissent = Highest Form of Patriotism?)
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To: Libloather

Hand sandwiches


pretty sure hands are hard to find. After you eat your left hand, it’s almost impossible to prepare and eat your right one ;)


30 posted on 01/18/2014 6:41:50 AM PST by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: Alberta's Child

“The purpose of ObamaCare is to compel people like him to pay inflated “insurance premiums” to subsidize the health care of other people. “

Especially all these aging, leftist baby boomers who believe this country owes it to them based on the lie of a “social contract” between government and citizen... no matter the cost to this country, even if it destroys this great country and its founding principles and institutions.


31 posted on 01/18/2014 6:44:27 AM PST by Susquehanna Patriot (U Think Leftist/Liberals Still Believe That Dissent = Highest Form of Patriotism?)
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To: Kaslin

The guy is the usual LIB bonehead asshat. He will never awaken. His $800/month “degree” is really paying off...$55K/year in a restaurant..in NYC. Obviously, the guy has some long-standing judgement problems.


32 posted on 01/18/2014 6:45:35 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Kaslin

Don’t worry. The next act is “give me health care for free and make the ‘rich’ pay for it.” Problem solved!


33 posted on 01/18/2014 7:00:42 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: tanknetter

“But that’s only for the first year, right? IIRC it escalates pretty significantly by 2016 or 2017.”

No, I actually went with the higher number that won’t kick in for a few years. This year (actually next year at tax time) it’s only 1% or $95 whichever is higher.

I think 2.5% is the highest permitted under the statute, but who knows what that means with this group, although Obama will be gone by then.

So, it wasn’t really right to use 2.5 with the guy’s current income, but I was going for worst case. And sure, his income might be higher in a few years, but so would his insurance cost, in all likelihood.


34 posted on 01/18/2014 7:10:58 AM PST by jocon307
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To: Libloather
"Hand sandwiches, no movies and get rid of the phone. It's easy"

A hand sandwich must be the kinder, gentler version of a knuckle sandwich. Are they served in a velvet glove?

35 posted on 01/18/2014 7:16:54 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Susquehanna Patriot
Now the leftists are against “freeloaders”... They just use such words in the moment to advance their agenda.

Actually, it's part of their false theology that the freeloaders are simply rebelling against monopoly capital, and that, once the bosses are exterminated, today's freeloaders will become tomorrow's high achievers.

In their communist anthem (l'Internationale), they go so far as to say, "L'oisifs ira loger ailleurs" (The lazy ones will have to move out).

The entire conceptual foundation of Marxism is false. It's a shame nobody studies it anymore.

36 posted on 01/18/2014 7:22:53 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Kaslin

Pbama campaigned for over 2 years ahead of the 2008 election.

He constantly stated : I am going to level the playing field”.....

Welcome to the living standards of Kenya.


37 posted on 01/18/2014 7:23:06 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Kaslin

Obama campaigned for over 2 years ahead of the 2008 election.

He constantly stated : I am going to level the playing field”.....

Welcome to the living standards of Kenya.


38 posted on 01/18/2014 7:23:25 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles

Wait ‘til the offspring of Julia and PajamaBoy start popping out....OMG....


39 posted on 01/18/2014 7:24:58 AM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Early on, Metallica couldn’t even afford bread. The cheap meat went right in the palm and that was it - the invention of the hand sandwich.


40 posted on 01/18/2014 7:26:12 AM PST by Libloather (Embrace the suck)
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To: Libloather

Indeed. The $100/month phone takes a lot of sympathy away from this dweeb.


41 posted on 01/18/2014 7:33:25 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Kaslin
Obamacare is pretty much the train wreck promised. That being the case.....why on earth are our Congressmen/women and our Senators not shutting this monstrous expensive program down? Because Obama is the first Negro POTUS? That is surely part of it the rest being politics, expensive politics, not health care not even close. Power? You bet.

Call your Governor and elected, demand they stop the monetary hemorrhaging by shutting this Very Bad Socialized Medicine Bill DOWN!! As long as Congress and Senators won't and don't have to buy Obamacare, why on earth should any American

42 posted on 01/18/2014 7:38:30 AM PST by yoe
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To: Libloather
"Early on, Metallica couldn’t even afford bread."

They were destitute. They even had to drink Whiskey In The Jar.

43 posted on 01/18/2014 7:38:49 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: raybbr
"Hand sandwiches?"

The Left invariably winds up eating their own. Perhaps they can start by eating themselves this time.

44 posted on 01/18/2014 7:52:36 AM PST by Noumenon (Resistance. Restoration. Retribution.)
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To: Kaslin

Hey, young lib, we tried to warn you; you would not listen. Live with it!


45 posted on 01/18/2014 7:58:52 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: kitkat

Lady fingers are the best!!


46 posted on 01/18/2014 7:58:56 AM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: informavoracious

Yeah, but could he have gotten that restaurant job without his masters degree? I wonder what his field is. Perhaps something with the word “studies” in it?


47 posted on 01/18/2014 7:59:58 AM PST by Bob
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To: Kaslin

48 posted on 01/18/2014 8:31:36 AM PST by Grampa Dave ( Obamacare is a Trinity of Lies! Obamaganda is failing 24/7/365! Obamaganda will fail 24/7/365!)
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To: rawhide

I have 30 year old twin sons who are single, students, and, as part time/hourly workers, not presently covered by an employer plan. Both to my eternal chagrin are tepid Obama supporters (hopefully they’ll outgrow it). One would not be eligible for health insurance due to a “pre-existing condition;” the other is seemingly as healthy as the proverbial horse.

Guess which on signed up for Obamacare and which one didn’t?


49 posted on 01/18/2014 8:46:18 AM PST by EDINVA ( m)
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To: Jim Noble

“The entire conceptual foundation of Marxism is false. It’s a shame nobody studies it anymore.”

Why do you think that is? Fall of the Soviet Union contribute to the decline in the need to study this?

I get your point on the freeloader rebelling against capitalism. Hardcore Marxists would not say that in public b/c to use such words would be enough for there remaining average US citizens to turn them out. Language is used covertly to advance their agenda, even if leftists have to contradict themselves. In a society of high volume info delivery and overload, people’s inability to absorb, learn, reflect and decide, people are divided and there is no recognition of leftist deception at work to further their power.


50 posted on 01/18/2014 8:48:12 AM PST by Susquehanna Patriot (U Think Leftist/Liberals Still Believe That Dissent = Highest Form of Patriotism?)
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