Skip to comments.U.S. states could turn to firing squads if execution drugs scarce
Posted on 01/18/2014 5:02:59 AM PST by Anton.Rutter
Lawmakers for at least two U.S. states say they should conduct executions by firing squad if opposition to capital punishment by pharmaceutical companies makes it hard to obtain drugs for lethal injections.
States have turned to pharmacies that customize drugs and adopted untested new mixes after supplies of traditional execution drugs were cut off by manufacturers opposed to their use for the procedure.
The debate over lethal injections was reignited on Thursday when an inmate gasped and convulsed violently during his execution in Ohio as the state used a two-drug method for the first time in the United States.
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I don’t see a problem with hanging.
Firing squad or hanging would suffice for me. Serial killers, rapists, and pedophiles should get hanging: more of an opportunity for them to suffer. Give the “regular murderers” the firing squad. It’s instant and under no circumstances could I think it would ever be considered cruel and/or unusual.
“I dont see a problem with hanging.”
I think the main problem is that we lack people with the skillset necessary to do them properly. But I'm sure we could hire people from a more civilized country like Singapore to train us.
No more rope?
The constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment.
It does not guarantee a painless execution.
Yep, I think that public hangings should be brought back.
OTOH, I'm not as confident about FedGuv getting much say in criminal justice as I used to be.
What method did the founding fathers use to execute criminals?
If it was being used when the constitution was written then the founding fathers did not find it “cruel or unusual”.
I am not a constitutional scholar but I believe I understand the intent of the founding fathers. They were not against capital punishment, they were against torture.
To stretch the phrase “cruel or unusual” to mean the condemned criminal should die painlessly is a travesty and certainly a misinterpretation of the constitution.
Have gun... will travel!
What’s wrong with strapping the guilty party down like he was going to receive a lethal injection and then just having the executioner fire a bullet into his brain?
Lethal lead injection. A firing squad is too iffy. If the shooters don’t finish him off, then the guy in charge has to deliver the brain shot anyway.
The states should ask the drug companies for the same drugs being used in places like Belgium and Holland for euthanasia. Belgium is considering officially approving euthanasia for children (being done on the qt already) , surely those drugs would be painless enough for serial killers and such.
If I had a choice for execution a firing squad would do just fine. At most a few scant seconds if that of pain and then adios... Forget the injection crap although its less messy.
All in the math.
The death sentence should be as easy to get as welfare for those wneed it.
Impalement on the public square.
Publicize this ad much as their deed.
Really make them famous.
Yup...about the only thing the muzzie filth get right...
Though I prefer a guillotine...quicker, cleaner and hard to miss...but a bit messy : )
I dont see a problem with hanging. In public.”....
Nor hanging, nor firing squad or the sword, the end result will still be the same. Hanging would probably the least messy so perhaps that is the way to go. Then there is the cost of building the gallows, loading the ammo or sharpening the sword. There is always a downside to these issues. (sarc)
I am by no means anti-death penalty, but I have an issue when the death penalty is applied for crimes that didn’t result in a murder. The issue with rapist being executed is what about when the woman lies about rape? It’s not like it hasn’t happened(Most recent example is Brian Banks who served 5 years over a lie) Would women rapist and pedophiles(and if you think they don’t exist you are wrong) also be executed or just men(thereby violating equal protection)
I don’t think the death penalty should be applied if there was no murder. In the examples you cited, what about when women lie? Men have served prison time over false accusing. Would women who commit those acts also be given the death penalty or just men(which violates the equal protection clause)
Nitrogen gas is in plentiful supply, and you don’t need the permission of a pharmaceutical company to get it. And nitrogen asphyxiation is completely painless.
I think the public part is integral to the effectiveness of hanging as a deterrent.
All that aside, Lois Lerner should be executed for her crimes against the Republic.
She is the worst political criminal in American History
Hang em. John Wayne said in a movie once about hanging. I forget the exact words. I think “grizzly” was in the statement. But, something along those lines gets peoples attention. Just laying on a table and going to sleep is nothing like suddenly feeling the floor drop out from under you and knowing in the next flick of light you are dead.
Which begs the question
What purpose does the death penalty serve...?
1. To exact an eye for an eye type of punishment ?
2. Rid society of vermin that don't deserve to breathe same air as us...like rapists and child molesters...
I would tend to be on your side of the argument as long as rapist and child molesters served long and hard prison terms...
All executions should be available for public viewing...sends a message...
The Chinese keep it simple. They fire a bullet at point blank range into the back of the brain of the condemned and then bill his family for the cost of the bullet.
I find it amazing that people haven’t gone with an obvious solution. I read about this method a long time ago.
You use a gas chamber where the gas is pure nitrogen. The condemned would just eventually nod off and die. No muss, no fuss. Nitrogen is also plenty cheap.
The only reason asphyxiation is unpleasant in a confined space is that your body reacts negatively to high concentrations of CO2. You body is utterly indifferent to nitrogen since most of the atmosphere is already composed of it.
Now I imagine this wouldn’t satisfy the more bloodthirsty types who want the scum to suffer, but personally I don’t give a damn if they suffer or not. I want their oxygen consumption over and have them placed on the correct side of the grass. The nitrogen method would have the advantage of being quite peaceful and mild, and thus there wouldn’t be harsh images to be used as propaganda for the anti-capital punishment side.
I’ve heard people that try to kill themselves with CO poisoning i.e. turn the car on and sit in the garage, and are revived say it is not unpleasant at all.
Scarce Drugs? What’s wrong with Drano?
My first reaction to this headline is that in the not too distant future, the State will execute Tea Party members by firing squad; the Tea Party having been by then deemed a terrorist group.
The shortage of such drugs is artificial, as a result of liberal pressure on drug companies, and (I dont doubt) subtle pressure from bureaucrats in league with the anti-death-penalty movement.
But there really is no shortage. It is easy to administer a lethal does of ordinary, humane anesthesia drugs which many of us have experienced ourselves in surgery.
I am NOT in favor of public executions. But I am in favor of speedy justice. There is no reason why an unsuccessful, frivolous appeal should take 15 years to adjudicate. This makes a total joke of any justice.
Always remember that one of the primary reasons for a justice system, going back to the time of Noah, was to deter revenge killings and perpetual vendettas. We are very close to the stage where the only justice in some of these case is familial revenge.
The advantage of letting the state take over the revenge function is to relieve the victims of an onerous act which could cause them still more grief, and harm social order.
Letting condemned criminals have family, friends, and confused supporters watch is silly. They should have no rights to be present.
The Constitution says that punishments should not be cruel and unusual. There was nothing unusual about capital punishment in the 18th Century, or all through history. It is not cruel unless intentionally causing excessive pain. A few reflex movements by the corpse do not indicate pain. If this offends some people, then they should allow use of the better drugs, which they have intentionally been blocking.
I have been present for the euthanasia of a beloved pet. It was so gentle, that it was difficult to tell when the animal had actually expired. There are easy drugs available. Some are even recreational, and are probably on the list of those to be made legal when the marijuana movement really gets going.
Revenge is a legitimate response at some times. It is exercised to punish, and to eliminate a PROVEN THREAT. It is reasonable to make revenge a function of disinterested courts. Courts are commanded in the Bible, just for this reason.
Eliminating capital punishment does not solve any problem, but just leaves justice up in the air. It is a very dangerous illusion to suppose that this would be progress.
The only people democrats want to execute are Tea Party members... Remember, criminals are a major part of the Democrat base.
While firing squad executions are a good alternative, what is really needed is for there to be conservatives as chairmen of the senate and house judiciary committees.
They could end the nit-picking against the death penalty by federal judges, by declaring states to be “competent authorities” to carry out executions in any manner as they see fit.
Probably half or more of the delays of death penalties are encouraged by federal judges personally opposed to the death penalty, who give lawyers and their murderers copious amounts of time to hear endless appeals, over what amounts to petty nonsense.
By stripping the federal judiciary of this ability, it would significantly streamline the appeals process, so that vicious murderers get their just desserts in an expeditious, but fair, manner.
I will gladly supply the bullets,even bring by own gun it they want.
Yeah - I’m for this. There should be nothign “humane” given to those that have committed violent acts against another human being that resulted in the death penalty. Aside from wrongful prosecutions agruments - staring down the barrels of multiple rifles may persuade some not to commit crimes at all...if it doesn’t - what a last minute shock to their senses!
Should be plenty of volunteers
Anyone for target practice.....?
Should be plenty of volunteers
Anyone for target practice.....?
Since Jan 18, 2014
I’m more in line with Texas in that respect: if you have 3 people who witnessed it, that’s grounds for summary judgement. Murder, no doubt. Rape, there needs to be some justification. For instance, was a rape kit done on the victim, and does it show the perp’s DNA? If a man and a woman are complete strangers, and a man’s pubic hair is found on a woman’s body, I think that’s pretty clear evidence of sexual assault. There’s a higher bar for rape since it’s a he said/she said thing.
I don’t disagree that rape is difficult to prosecute, but if there’s clear cut evidence of sexual assault or a history of sexual assaults by a single man/woman, why allow that person to continue raping or put them up in a cushy cell for the rest of their life?
Firing squad would be good. They could conduct lotteries like in hunting, and the winners make up the squad. $500 buy-in. Bring your own weapon.
Just put all that confiscated heroin to good use. Hire a State Chemist to purify it for exclusive use as the execution drug and administer 10 to 20 times the lethal dosage by multiple IV pushes. There are plenty of stories of junkies dying with needles still in their arms.
How about identity theft that takes your savings, ruins your life for years?
Firing squad sounds perfect to me.
Rape and child molestation are incurable. Help the ba$tards into their next life.
The sword (or axe) might brutalize the executioner.
The guillotine is better - but the long drop is just as good.
Modern methods are actually much worse than beheading or long drop hanging - and medical execution is, in my opinion, the worst of all, since it turns a ritual (and people) usually associated with care into killers.
I’m a physician, and I would gladly release the trapdoor or the blade, or even pull the trigger if necessary. But I would never, never start an IV or calculate a lethal dose of a drug.
Just one man’s opinion.
The North Koreans seem to have some novel ways of execution. Having the condemned being eaten by dogs might be appropriate for Muslim terrorists like 9/11 mastermind KLM. However having the condemned be the target for a mortar round has possibilities. Maybe just packing the condemned with explosives would be easier and in addition to painless saves the cost of burying the POS.
Rope is cheap and reusable. Better, why not give the convicted the option of nitrogen asphyxiation so their organs can be harvested?
Why don’t they just push them out of a helicopter at 1,000 feet. That way they can enjoy a few moments of freedom before they meet their maker.