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U.S. states could turn to firing squads if execution drugs scarce
Yahoo News ^ | Jan 18, 2014 | Kevin Murphy

Posted on 01/18/2014 5:02:59 AM PST by Anton.Rutter

Lawmakers for at least two U.S. states say they should conduct executions by firing squad if opposition to capital punishment by pharmaceutical companies makes it hard to obtain drugs for lethal injections.

States have turned to pharmacies that customize drugs and adopted untested new mixes after supplies of traditional execution drugs were cut off by manufacturers opposed to their use for the procedure.

The debate over lethal injections was reignited on Thursday when an inmate gasped and convulsed violently during his execution in Ohio as the state used a two-drug method for the first time in the United States.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: crime
I favor execution by sword. Should be painless, and less of a production. If you're evil enough to be executed, you shouldn't be made a celebrity.
1 posted on 01/18/2014 5:02:59 AM PST by Anton.Rutter
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To: Anton.Rutter

I don’t see a problem with hanging.


2 posted on 01/18/2014 5:05:49 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: Anton.Rutter

Firing squad or hanging would suffice for me. Serial killers, rapists, and pedophiles should get hanging: more of an opportunity for them to suffer. Give the “regular murderers” the firing squad. It’s instant and under no circumstances could I think it would ever be considered cruel and/or unusual.


3 posted on 01/18/2014 5:06:19 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: jospehm20

“I don’t see a problem with hanging.”

In public.


4 posted on 01/18/2014 5:10:46 AM PST by Daveinyork (IER)
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To: jospehm20
Nor do I. It should be done western style complete with hymn singing before the trap door is sprung to really, really p*ss off the ACLU.

I think the main problem is that we lack people with the skillset necessary to do them properly. But I'm sure we could hire people from a more civilized country like Singapore to train us.

5 posted on 01/18/2014 5:13:03 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Anton.Rutter

Whazzamatter?
No more rope?


6 posted on 01/18/2014 5:15:12 AM PST by Flintlock ( islam is a LIE, mohammed was a CRIMINAL, shira is POISON.)
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To: Anton.Rutter

The constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment.
It does not guarantee a painless execution.


7 posted on 01/18/2014 5:16:08 AM PST by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: Daveinyork

Yep, I think that public hangings should be brought back.


8 posted on 01/18/2014 5:18:35 AM PST by glorgau
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To: Anton.Rutter
Hanging or firing squads should suffice. Capital punishment should be a deterrent, not a country club.

OTOH, I'm not as confident about FedGuv getting much say in criminal justice as I used to be.

9 posted on 01/18/2014 5:19:28 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Anton.Rutter

What method did the founding fathers use to execute criminals?

If it was being used when the constitution was written then the founding fathers did not find it “cruel or unusual”.

I am not a constitutional scholar but I believe I understand the intent of the founding fathers. They were not against capital punishment, they were against torture.

To stretch the phrase “cruel or unusual” to mean the condemned criminal should die painlessly is a travesty and certainly a misinterpretation of the constitution.


10 posted on 01/18/2014 5:20:45 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN (I do not doubt that our climate changes. I only doubt that anything man does has any effect.)
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To: Anton.Rutter; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; shove_it; TrueKnightGalahad; ...
Re: U.S. states could turn to firing squads if execution drugs scarce

Have gun... will travel!

11 posted on 01/18/2014 5:20:56 AM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Anton.Rutter

What’s wrong with strapping the guilty party down like he was going to receive a lethal injection and then just having the executioner fire a bullet into his brain?
Lethal lead injection. A firing squad is too iffy. If the shooters don’t finish him off, then the guy in charge has to deliver the brain shot anyway.


12 posted on 01/18/2014 5:25:22 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Democrats believe in a two-party system—the masters and the slaves.)
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To: Anton.Rutter

The states should ask the drug companies for the same drugs being used in places like Belgium and Holland for euthanasia. Belgium is considering officially approving euthanasia for children (being done on the qt already) , surely those drugs would be painless enough for serial killers and such.


13 posted on 01/18/2014 5:25:54 AM PST by Stevenc131
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To: Anton.Rutter

If I had a choice for execution a firing squad would do just fine. At most a few scant seconds if that of pain and then adios... Forget the injection crap although its less messy.


14 posted on 01/18/2014 5:26:44 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Vigilanteman
We still have all the data for the drop length to maximize breaking the neck without decapitation.

All in the math.


15 posted on 01/18/2014 5:28:11 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Anton.Rutter

The death sentence should be as easy to get as welfare for those wneed it.
Impalement on the public square.
Publicize this ad much as their deed.
Really make them famous.


16 posted on 01/18/2014 5:30:22 AM PST by Recompennation (Constitutional protection for all not ju st selectively for Democrats.)
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To: Anton.Rutter
I favor execution by sword

Yup...about the only thing the muzzie filth get right...

Though I prefer a guillotine...quicker, cleaner and hard to miss...but a bit messy : )

17 posted on 01/18/2014 5:34:53 AM PST by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Popman

To: jospehm20

“I don’t see a problem with hanging. In public.”....

Nor hanging, nor firing squad or the sword, the end result will still be the same. Hanging would probably the least messy so perhaps that is the way to go. Then there is the cost of building the gallows, loading the ammo or sharpening the sword. There is always a downside to these issues. (sarc)


18 posted on 01/18/2014 5:49:24 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: rarestia

I am by no means anti-death penalty, but I have an issue when the death penalty is applied for crimes that didn’t result in a murder. The issue with rapist being executed is what about when the woman lies about rape? It’s not like it hasn’t happened(Most recent example is Brian Banks who served 5 years over a lie) Would women rapist and pedophiles(and if you think they don’t exist you are wrong) also be executed or just men(thereby violating equal protection)


19 posted on 01/18/2014 5:51:21 AM PST by Contrarius
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To: rarestia

I don’t think the death penalty should be applied if there was no murder. In the examples you cited, what about when women lie? Men have served prison time over false accusing. Would women who commit those acts also be given the death penalty or just men(which violates the equal protection clause)


20 posted on 01/18/2014 5:51:21 AM PST by Contrarius
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To: Anton.Rutter

Nitrogen gas is in plentiful supply, and you don’t need the permission of a pharmaceutical company to get it. And nitrogen asphyxiation is completely painless.


21 posted on 01/18/2014 5:53:16 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (If you liked the website, you'll LOVE the healthcare!)
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To: Daveinyork

I think the public part is integral to the effectiveness of hanging as a deterrent.


22 posted on 01/18/2014 5:54:31 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: Contrarius

All that aside, Lois Lerner should be executed for her crimes against the Republic.

She is the worst political criminal in American History


23 posted on 01/18/2014 5:54:49 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Anton.Rutter

Hang em. John Wayne said in a movie once about hanging. I forget the exact words. I think “grizzly” was in the statement. But, something along those lines gets peoples attention. Just laying on a table and going to sleep is nothing like suddenly feeling the floor drop out from under you and knowing in the next flick of light you are dead.


24 posted on 01/18/2014 5:57:05 AM PST by RetiredArmy (I am proud to be a Christian and follower of my Lord Jesus Christ. Time is short for U to know Him!)
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To: Contrarius
I am by no means anti-death penalty, but I have an issue when the death penalty is applied for crimes that didn’t result in a murder.

Which begs the question

What purpose does the death penalty serve...?

1. To exact an eye for an eye type of punishment ?
2. Rid society of vermin that don't deserve to breathe same air as us...like rapists and child molesters...

I would tend to be on your side of the argument as long as rapist and child molesters served long and hard prison terms...

25 posted on 01/18/2014 5:58:40 AM PST by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Progov
Nor hanging, nor firing squad or the sword, the end result will still be the same

All executions should be available for public viewing...sends a message...

26 posted on 01/18/2014 6:02:00 AM PST by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Anton.Rutter
Why spend taxpayer money on consumables like bullets or drugs?


27 posted on 01/18/2014 6:02:35 AM PST by Maceman
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To: Anton.Rutter

The Chinese keep it simple. They fire a bullet at point blank range into the back of the brain of the condemned and then bill his family for the cost of the bullet.


28 posted on 01/18/2014 6:03:41 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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I find it amazing that people haven’t gone with an obvious solution. I read about this method a long time ago.

You use a gas chamber where the gas is pure nitrogen. The condemned would just eventually nod off and die. No muss, no fuss. Nitrogen is also plenty cheap.

The only reason asphyxiation is unpleasant in a confined space is that your body reacts negatively to high concentrations of CO2. You body is utterly indifferent to nitrogen since most of the atmosphere is already composed of it.

Now I imagine this wouldn’t satisfy the more bloodthirsty types who want the scum to suffer, but personally I don’t give a damn if they suffer or not. I want their oxygen consumption over and have them placed on the correct side of the grass. The nitrogen method would have the advantage of being quite peaceful and mild, and thus there wouldn’t be harsh images to be used as propaganda for the anti-capital punishment side.


29 posted on 01/18/2014 6:06:21 AM PST by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: drbuzzard

I’ve heard people that try to kill themselves with CO poisoning i.e. turn the car on and sit in the garage, and are revived say it is not unpleasant at all.


30 posted on 01/18/2014 6:11:14 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Anton.Rutter

Scarce Drugs? What’s wrong with Drano?


31 posted on 01/18/2014 6:15:33 AM PST by jimmyo57
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To: Anton.Rutter

My first reaction to this headline is that in the not too distant future, the State will execute Tea Party members by firing squad; the Tea Party having been by then deemed a terrorist group.


32 posted on 01/18/2014 6:25:56 AM PST by Flick Lives (Got a problem with the government? Have a complaint. Get a free IRS audit!)
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To: Anton.Rutter

The shortage of such drugs is artificial, as a result of liberal pressure on drug companies, and (I don’t doubt) subtle pressure from bureaucrats in league with the anti-death-penalty movement.

But there really is no shortage. It is easy to administer a lethal does of ordinary, humane anesthesia — drugs which many of us have experienced ourselves in surgery.

I am NOT in favor of public executions. But I am in favor of speedy justice. There is no reason why an unsuccessful, frivolous appeal should take 15 years to adjudicate. This makes a total joke of any justice.

Always remember that one of the primary reasons for a justice system, going back to the time of Noah, was to deter revenge killings and perpetual vendettas. We are very close to the stage where the only justice in some of these case is familial revenge.

The advantage of letting the state take over the revenge function is to relieve the victims of an onerous act which could cause them still more grief, and harm social order.

Letting condemned criminals have family, friends, and confused supporters watch is silly. They should have no rights to be present.

The Constitution says that punishments should not be cruel and unusual. There was nothing unusual about capital punishment in the 18th Century, or all through history. It is not cruel unless intentionally causing excessive pain. A few reflex movements by the corpse do not indicate pain. If this offends some people, then they should allow use of the better drugs, which they have intentionally been blocking.

I have been present for the euthanasia of a beloved pet. It was so gentle, that it was difficult to tell when the animal had actually expired. There are easy drugs available. Some are even “recreational,” and are probably on the list of those to be made legal when the marijuana movement really gets going.

Revenge is a legitimate response at some times. It is exercised to punish, and to eliminate a PROVEN THREAT. It is reasonable to make revenge a function of disinterested courts. Courts are commanded in the Bible, just for this reason.

Eliminating capital punishment does not solve any problem, but just leaves justice up in the air. It is a very dangerous illusion to suppose that this would be progress.


33 posted on 01/18/2014 6:31:01 AM PST by docbnj
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To: Anton.Rutter

The only people democrats want to execute are Tea Party members... Remember, criminals are a major part of the Democrat base.


34 posted on 01/18/2014 6:34:05 AM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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While firing squad executions are a good alternative, what is really needed is for there to be conservatives as chairmen of the senate and house judiciary committees.

They could end the nit-picking against the death penalty by federal judges, by declaring states to be “competent authorities” to carry out executions in any manner as they see fit.

Probably half or more of the delays of death penalties are encouraged by federal judges personally opposed to the death penalty, who give lawyers and their murderers copious amounts of time to hear endless appeals, over what amounts to petty nonsense.

By stripping the federal judiciary of this ability, it would significantly streamline the appeals process, so that vicious murderers get their just desserts in an expeditious, but fair, manner.


35 posted on 01/18/2014 6:34:48 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (There Is Still A Very Hot War On Terror, Just Not On The MSM. Rantburg.com)
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To: Anton.Rutter

I will gladly supply the bullets,even bring by own gun it they want.


36 posted on 01/18/2014 6:34:55 AM PST by bikerman (Obama! if his lips are moving he's lying.)
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To: Anton.Rutter

Yeah - I’m for this. There should be nothign “humane” given to those that have committed violent acts against another human being that resulted in the death penalty. Aside from wrongful prosecutions agruments - staring down the barrels of multiple rifles may persuade some not to commit crimes at all...if it doesn’t - what a last minute shock to their senses!


37 posted on 01/18/2014 6:39:54 AM PST by BCW (Salva reipublicae)
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To: jospehm20

Should be plenty of volunteers

Anyone for target practice.....?


38 posted on 01/18/2014 6:40:17 AM PST by njslim (actice)
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To: jospehm20

Should be plenty of volunteers

Anyone for target practice.....?


39 posted on 01/18/2014 6:40:21 AM PST by njslim (actice)
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To: Contrarius

Contrarius
Since Jan 18, 2014


Welcome to FR!


40 posted on 01/18/2014 7:10:34 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: Contrarius

I’m more in line with Texas in that respect: if you have 3 people who witnessed it, that’s grounds for summary judgement. Murder, no doubt. Rape, there needs to be some justification. For instance, was a rape kit done on the victim, and does it show the perp’s DNA? If a man and a woman are complete strangers, and a man’s pubic hair is found on a woman’s body, I think that’s pretty clear evidence of sexual assault. There’s a higher bar for rape since it’s a he said/she said thing.

I don’t disagree that rape is difficult to prosecute, but if there’s clear cut evidence of sexual assault or a history of sexual assaults by a single man/woman, why allow that person to continue raping or put them up in a cushy cell for the rest of their life?


41 posted on 01/18/2014 7:12:12 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Abathar
Yep, but we need more practice; a lot more practice.
42 posted on 01/18/2014 7:21:46 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Anton.Rutter

Firing squad would be good. They could conduct lotteries like in hunting, and the winners make up the squad. $500 buy-in. Bring your own weapon.


43 posted on 01/18/2014 7:36:10 AM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: Anton.Rutter

Just put all that confiscated heroin to good use. Hire a State Chemist to purify it for exclusive use as the execution drug and administer 10 to 20 times the lethal dosage by multiple IV pushes. There are plenty of stories of junkies dying with needles still in their arms.


44 posted on 01/18/2014 7:39:27 AM PST by nomad
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To: Contrarius

How about identity theft that takes your savings, ruins your life for years?

Firing squad sounds perfect to me.


45 posted on 01/18/2014 7:40:17 AM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: rarestia

Rape and child molestation are incurable. Help the ba$tards into their next life.


46 posted on 01/18/2014 7:43:59 AM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: Anton.Rutter

The sword (or axe) might brutalize the executioner.

The guillotine is better - but the long drop is just as good.

Modern methods are actually much worse than beheading or long drop hanging - and medical execution is, in my opinion, the worst of all, since it turns a ritual (and people) usually associated with care into killers.

I’m a physician, and I would gladly release the trapdoor or the blade, or even pull the trigger if necessary. But I would never, never start an IV or calculate a lethal dose of a drug.

Just one man’s opinion.


47 posted on 01/18/2014 7:47:04 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Anton.Rutter

The North Koreans seem to have some novel ways of execution. Having the condemned being eaten by dogs might be appropriate for Muslim terrorists like 9/11 mastermind KLM. However having the condemned be the target for a mortar round has possibilities. Maybe just packing the condemned with explosives would be easier and in addition to painless saves the cost of burying the POS.


48 posted on 01/18/2014 8:05:18 AM PST by The Great RJ
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To: Anton.Rutter

Rope is cheap and reusable. Better, why not give the convicted the option of nitrogen asphyxiation so their organs can be harvested?


49 posted on 01/18/2014 9:24:40 AM PST by Organic Panic
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To: Anton.Rutter

Why don’t they just push them out of a helicopter at 1,000 feet. That way they can enjoy a few moments of freedom before they meet their maker.


50 posted on 01/18/2014 9:37:59 AM PST by Cementjungle
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