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Dagestan Leader Says Parents of Extremists Must Be Punished
RIA Novosti ^ | October 19, 2013 | Staff

Posted on 01/18/2014 11:23:16 AM PST by Navy Patriot

MAKHACHKALA, October 19 (RIA Novosti) – The president of the restive southern Russian republic of Dagestan said Friday that punitive measures should be introduced for parents of minors taking part in extremist militant organizations.

Ramazan Abdulatipov’s press office cited him as saying that young people are being conditioned into hatred for other peoples.

Abdulatipov was speaking in the capital of Dagestan, Makhachkala, at the Congress of Russian Peoples, a forum for discussing relations between Russia’s numerous ethnic groups.

A draft bill on the proposal put forward by Abdulatipov is to be presented by the Congress of Russian Peoples to the State Duma, Russia's lower house of parliament.

(Excerpt) Read more at en.ria.ru ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: agitprop; dagestan; makhachkala; ramazanabdulatipov; rianovosti; russia
There is a lot of concern regarding "extremism" in Russia these days, and to be fair, Russian authorities are going after Islam, the left and the right in these cases.

To me it looks as if they seek to avoid more division in society as a primary goal.

There is a lot of news using the word "extremism", but not what is and what isn't.

Some of this case reminds me of Israel and demolition of terrorist supporting family properties.

1 posted on 01/18/2014 11:23:16 AM PST by Navy Patriot
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To: Navy Patriot

I agree

The families of suicide bombers should be identified and wiped out , to a man . No mercy , no remainder . That is ‘a message’ that might resonate with even the most hard core islamist martyr wannabee


2 posted on 01/18/2014 11:46:42 AM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: LeoWindhorse

wow - you & Kim Jung Un - separated at birth?


3 posted on 01/18/2014 12:17:53 PM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

there is only one way to defeat islamism ..... and we are not doing it . Thus islamism will probably one day own this world of ours ; because we were too kind and merciful .

George H.W. Bush’s doctrine of a ‘kinder , gentler America ‘ has got to go . They need to fear us , at their mortal peril .


4 posted on 01/18/2014 12:23:40 PM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: LeoWindhorse
The families of suicide bombers should be identified and wiped out,
to a man. No mercy, no remainder. That is ‘a message’ that might
resonate with even the most hard core islamist martyr wannabee
if only it were that simple, sometimes it's a whole villageor an region...
just take out (any / sect of) Jihadism and Make the Saudi know it, too...be very selective.

5 posted on 01/18/2014 1:02:08 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi :-)
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To: skinkinthegrass; LeoWindhorse
Better idea: identify the wealthy Arabs who finance terrorism, and wipe THEM out.

Plus, make the whole clan responsible. Take away the property of the whole extended family of the bomber, and banish them to Siberia.

6 posted on 01/18/2014 1:08:27 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625
isn't that what I said? *grin*
Make "the House of Suadi" et.al. responsible.
STOP financing Terrorism or else.

7 posted on 01/18/2014 1:17:25 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi :-)
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To: PapaBear3625
and banish them to Siberia.
better yet, North Korea or Cuba...

8 posted on 01/18/2014 1:19:37 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi :-)
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To: LeoWindhorse

I don’t disagree with this concept, either. The young and impressionable aren’t always understanding in human terms what their terrorist acts are doing. Knowing that it would cause the deaths of their family would make it personal and real. It would also cause paretns to be more vigilent about their children, and maybe not espouse extremist values that make terrorism acceptable.


9 posted on 01/18/2014 1:25:08 PM PST by grania
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To: Navy Patriot

This is a good plan; we’re not talking about a law-enforcement issue here. We’re talking Hostis Humani Generis. And this crap tends to run in families.
If Little Mo’ blows himself and bunch of innocents up, his entire family, Big Mo’, his his mothers, brothers, sisters, their spouses, and their kids, should be rounded up for wood-chipping.
But allow them to buy their way out with information on Little Mo’s recruiters, handlers, trainers, bomb-builders, paymasters, etc. Any valid info gets the lot off...
And, when you catch them, you know what to do with them, and THEIR families...
And keep going up the chain.


10 posted on 01/18/2014 1:33:00 PM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: PapaBear3625; skinkinthegrass; LeoWindhorse
Better idea: identify the wealthy Arabs who finance terrorism, and wipe THEM out.

Russia is doing this as well as far as influence and finance.

Russia is moving to reduce the sales of Saudi owned/controlled oil and gas to Western Europe, and Western European control of Eastern Europe. This reduces Saudi cash flow for terrorism through the IMF.

Russia is also opposing Western promoted pro Saudi "democracy" (mob rule) in the ME, reducing Saudi influence and retarding the Muslim Brotherhood Caliphate (and sidestepping war in the process).

However, that's as far as they go, .... for now.

11 posted on 01/18/2014 1:34:38 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: cunning_fish

Ping for your comment.


12 posted on 01/18/2014 1:37:48 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Little Ray
Russia did some of this in Chechnya, and it worked.

It is the first modern recorded case where the terrorists were forced to hunt and capture or kill their own and turn them over to the non Muslim authorities the hunters answered to.

13 posted on 01/18/2014 1:47:34 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: LeoWindhorse
The families of suicide bombers should be identified and wiped out , to a man . No mercy , no remainder

Won't that make them just like the Islamist extremist ?

In many cases their parents may not be aware of what their children are doing...

How about deport to some nice frozen tundra after a lengthy prison term...

14 posted on 01/18/2014 1:55:35 PM PST by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Navy Patriot; PapaBear3625
strange bedfellows..Soviet Ldr. Putin, supporting pro-Christian values and
pResident 0'ButtCrack is supporting anti-christian/western Jihadist terrorists..
twenty years ago never would have happened.

15 posted on 01/18/2014 1:55:55 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi :-)
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To: Popman

I can imagine leftists in this country rounding up whole families for the camps like they do in North Korea


16 posted on 01/18/2014 1:58:37 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Navy Patriot

For some reason, the Russkis seem to have a handle on dealing with terrorists.
Personally, I think it is because they had a hand in organizing, funding, and training so many of them during the Cold War. We should probably be taking notes...


17 posted on 01/18/2014 1:59:38 PM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: GeronL
I can imagine leftists in this country rounding up whole families for the camps like they do in North Korea

I'm sure they have wet dreams about it...

If and when they try...


18 posted on 01/18/2014 2:05:09 PM PST by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Little Ray
For some reason, the Russkis seem to have a handle on dealing with terrorists.

Possibly the Russians learn their lessons well.

Consider the Soviet Russian controlled Communists were the designated successors to the Shah of Iran when Carter decided to enforce regime change. They lasted less than two weeks and Iran was the first Islamic terrorist "republic" born.

Bottom line, the Soviets didn't get much out of Iran compared to what the Communists would have given them, so they probably took note and quit doing the dirty work for the Muslims after that.

Then consider Serbia-Kosovo, and how Putin duplicated the tactics in Georgia with the Islamic and Christian winners and losers reversed, plus the oil pipeline. Seems the Russians do learn their lessons well.

19 posted on 01/18/2014 2:31:21 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Navy Patriot

I’m disagree. Only if they can prove relatives’ involvement. Better punish Obamao and Saudis.


20 posted on 01/18/2014 11:15:33 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Little Ray

>>For some reason, the Russkis seem to have a handle on dealing with terrorists.
Personally, I think it is because they had a hand in organizing, funding, and training so many of them during the Cold War. We should probably be taking notes..<<

Russians were never near behind sunni terrorists attacking the west in the last decades.
They are simply longer in business and somehow more experienced.
They had their Carter moment with Tehran embassy raided and ambassador killed too, but it was in earlier 19th century.
Russian approach to muslim issues were shaped about that time, long before any political correctness, humanitarianism and collateral damage terms were invented.


21 posted on 01/18/2014 11:32:54 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Navy Patriot

I wonder if he will also insist that parents get handcuffed by being threatened with abuse charges if they punish their kids - works so great here...


22 posted on 01/19/2014 2:59:43 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: cunning_fish; Navy Patriot

Mostly I meant that the Russian know how to deal with cunning, murderous brutes, having previously manipulated and used them against the West.

The Russians are smart enough to not worry about whether or not these people, and those they claim to represent, like them; instead they just make sure these people develop an abject terror of them. That is an example I think we should follow.


23 posted on 01/19/2014 3:07:09 PM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Little Ray
I do not disagree with your point.

I have seen collective punishment work remarkably well.

Also I refuse to listen to arguments from American leftist Democrats against it, they have to quit legal persecution of families and supporters of conservatives that exercise their Constitutional rights before I'll listen to anything they say.

24 posted on 01/19/2014 4:38:57 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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