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China building its own aircraft carrier: party official
Focus News Taiwan ^ | 2014/01/18 | Hsiao Pao-hsiang and Jay Chen

Posted on 01/18/2014 12:33:21 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki

Taipei, Jan. 18 (CNA) The first aircraft carrier built entirely by China is being constructed in the northeastern city of Dalian, a Communist Party official said Saturday, confirming for the first time that the Chinese are building the vessel from scratch.

Wang Min, party secretary in Liaoning Province, made the disclosure during a meeting of the provincial people's congress, according to the online edition of the Chinese-language Takungpao daily in Hong Kong.

Wang told the delegates that the aircraft carrier is being built in a shipyard in Dalian and is expected to take six years to complete, Takungpao reported.

Wang also reportedly said that the Chinese Navy will operate at least four aircraft carriers in the future.

The Chinese Navy commissioned its first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, in September 2012 but the vessel was rebuilt in Dalian based on the hull of a former Soviet vessel first launched in late 1988.

There have been several reports about China building its own aircraft carriers but so far, the Chinese defense ministry has neither confirmed nor denied the reports.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; aircraftcarrier; china; target

Graphic on the origins of China's first aircraft carrier (AFP)

1 posted on 01/18/2014 12:33:21 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I wonder if it is nuclear powered.


2 posted on 01/18/2014 12:39:47 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (We need to fundamentally transform RATs lives for their lies.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki; All
from saipans to Aircraft carriers, in forty years
and pResident 0'Dungo is sleeping w/ Reggie,
while "the mousse" plays w/ the Oprah.

3 posted on 01/18/2014 12:41:13 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi :-)
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To: ConservativeInPA

There’s info about the Chinese getting the plans for the Ulyanovsk which was to have been a nuke.


4 posted on 01/18/2014 12:42:38 PM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I hope they have good Pilots.
I heard Chinese suffer from this :: ...asian eyes with acute primary sight angle-closure..


5 posted on 01/18/2014 12:44:20 PM PST by Koracan
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To: ConservativeInPA

Be a pity if it had to burn coal or heavy grade oil to keep it fired. Think of the carbon footprint....

Not that the Chinese military would give a flying whatever how big that carbon footprint might be. They do not have to answer to any “environmentalists”.

But nuclear power would certainly give them great leverage in patrolling the ocean, being unnecessary to refuel for years at a time, and fuel storage would be relatively compact. The used rods? Dump them overboard.

Or maybe they will go to a thoroughly modern molten-salt thorium reactor, which has a MUCH smaller nuclear waste product. And is completely practical as a power plant.


6 posted on 01/18/2014 12:50:31 PM PST by alloysteel (Obamacare - Death and Taxes now available online. One-stop shopping at its best!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

They can steal plans and build all they want. What they don’t have are experienced crews to make these carriers effective warships. Simply cannot obtain the eighty years of carrier experience and know how of the American Navy


7 posted on 01/18/2014 12:57:34 PM PST by allendale
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Given the massive and growing military budget they’re playing with (~$200b), I expect a nuclear-powered non-ski jump carrier. Ultimately, it comes down to money - if you have enough of it budgeted, you can figure out everything from the ground up.


8 posted on 01/18/2014 1:01:30 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

They must have found the plans for a cvn next to the f-35 plans that they hacked


9 posted on 01/18/2014 1:09:42 PM PST by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: rlmorel
ping...
10 posted on 01/18/2014 1:10:41 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Bad idea. CVs are “old” technology.

They should be looking into building UCAVs and UCAV support ships. It isn’t like they can’t buy or swipe the technology...


11 posted on 01/18/2014 1:21:59 PM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: alloysteel

I have a hunch that they are not nuclear powered. That puts them at a strategic disadvantage. Destroy their oilers and they become stationary floating targets.


12 posted on 01/18/2014 1:26:15 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (We need to fundamentally transform RATs lives for their lies.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Hope it works better than the crap they send over here. :-)


13 posted on 01/18/2014 1:33:20 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: allendale

Re post 7: you got that right. They will not reach the level of USN aviators for decades. They do not have the experience that allows them to train their pilots to the highest standards.


14 posted on 01/18/2014 1:37:14 PM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Hope it works better than the crap they send over here. :-)

I get the jist of your message ... they hope, not us. I fully expect that it will be the same junk they send over here. The question is will our elected leaders fear them and conduct foriegn policy out of fear or from a position of strength. We once fear the Soviets and since then it has been proven that they were wanting in quality materiel and quality command and control. That pansy President from GA didn't believe in American exceptionalism and he basically wanted to unilaterally disarm America based on the fear of the soviet horde. It took Reagan years to rebuild confidence that should have been their all along.

15 posted on 01/18/2014 1:47:57 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (We need to fundamentally transform RATs lives for their lies.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Are they actually going to out aircraft on this one? They’re sort of missing the point with the one they have now.


16 posted on 01/18/2014 2:03:22 PM PST by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
This story is taking years to unfold. Call me when this thing leaves the yard, it its Russki steel plates have not rusted through by then.

Meanwhile, the Celestial Laundrymen are said to be assiduously practicing STOL and wire trapping exercises at a remote airfield (and historic cemetery.) The way to sabotage the CHICOM is to offer John McCain as a flight instructor.

17 posted on 01/18/2014 2:25:13 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (This GOP is dead. What do we do now?)
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To: allendale

First, your statement that the ChiComm apes don’t have the carrier experience will upset the doom and gloom surrender monkeys here on FR. They believe that the 50 IQ ChiComm apes can invade America whenever they want by floating over in bathtubs and ducky rings. In addition, the FR surrender monkeys think that there’s 50 divisions of ChiComm apes hiding in Texas sagebrush.

Good post, allendale.


18 posted on 01/18/2014 5:26:57 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: Former Proud Canadian

4 ChiCom carriers = 4 Navy Crosses waiting to happen.

The ChiComs shouldn’t be worried about our carriers can do to their carriers. They should be worried about what our submarines can do to their carriers.


19 posted on 01/18/2014 5:40:47 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

I guess that is the game then. Shawdow each carrier.


20 posted on 01/18/2014 7:55:52 PM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
I guess that is the game then. Shawdow each carrier.

Pretty much. I'm thinking that's one of the reasons why the USN consolidated the Seawolf class on the West Coast rather than split them or (if the goal was simplified logistics) base them on the East Coast. Basically the entire class (including the heavily modified SSN-23) is pointed straight at China.

The Seawolfs were designed around one core mission: go up under the ice, penetrate the heavily defended Soviet SSBN bastions and eliminate the other side's boomers with extreme prejudice. They have a LOT of advanced technology that wasn't carried over into the Virginias, and trade some of the multi-mission stuff from the VA's and later LA class (VLS for surface-attack Tomahawks for instance) for an expanded torpedo-shooting capability (8 torpedo tubes vs 4, with the tubes being large diameter ones that permit near-silent "swim-out" capability, and a heck of a lot more torpedos).

In a future general war with the ChiComs the Seawolfs are the ones that will go after their high-value naval assets (carriers and SSBNs) ... and I wouldn't bet against them.
21 posted on 01/19/2014 4:43:18 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Unlike so many on this board, I see a massive threat to America from China.

China currently makes everything America buys.

They will make carriers, and planes, just as well as they make everything in every shopping mall.

America really needs to quit messing around, and bring back American manufacturing.

Now.


22 posted on 01/19/2014 4:56:41 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Jeff Head

Ping


23 posted on 01/19/2014 5:51:37 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz
Laz, as you know, I follow this stuff.

I got to read the actual quote from the Party Leader in the province around Dalian = who made this statement. His actual Chinese statement was that the Chinese would be starting their second "home built" carrier (which translates in Chinese to indigenous carrier) this year.

If true, this would mean that they already started another one somewhere else, probably Shanghai. There have been rumors for several months now that two indigenous STOBAR carriers would be built simultaneously in China, one in Dalian and the other in Shanghai. This quote seems to indicate that the second one is about to be started.

Their first carrier, that the article refers to is the Liaoning, CV-16, which was the former Soviet Varyag. It was laid up in Ukraine, about 70% complete (hull was 100% complete) when the USSR fell. They then sold it to China and over a ten year period, they refit it. But it is not, "home built," they refurbished it. The words the guy used in Chinese indicate that their second indigenous carrier would be staring in Dalian soon. To me, this means their first one has already been started, as I said, probably in Shanghai.

Looks like they will build two at once, and increase their numbers to three in the next 4-6 years.

I expect they will build two more after that, which will probably be full blown CATOBAR carriers and end up with a total of five.

Here's the history of the Liaoning, from unfinished hulk in the Ukraine, to the completed carrier it is today.


The Transformation of an incomplete Soviet carrier into the Chinese Lioaning, CV-16

24 posted on 01/19/2014 7:56:26 AM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head
I expect they will build two more after that, which will probably be full blown CATOBAR carriers and end up with a total of five.

I'm surprised they're bothering with a STOBAR carrier, given the current size of the Chinese military budget (~$200b), which has presumably given the procurement people all the money they need for blue sky projects and then some. Wouldn't surprise me if their procurement budget was the same size as ours (~$100b).

25 posted on 01/19/2014 9:20:59 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Jeff Head
Laz, as you know, I follow this stuff.

I know you do! Thus, the ping.

Thanks for your input. Educational!

26 posted on 01/19/2014 9:27:19 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

If China was serious they’d punch through North Korea into SK and capture their excellent shipyards.


27 posted on 01/19/2014 12:02:24 PM PST by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Call me when this thing leaves the yard,
You realize it left the yard over a year ago? And that they are practicing landing on the carrier at sea now, right?
28 posted on 01/20/2014 7:50:02 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: TalonDJ
You realize it left the yard over a year ago? And that they are practicing landing on the carrier at sea now, right?

I didn't know that! So how's that going? What do the Celestial Laundrymen and Moneylenders use for carrier aircraft? Have they got their own Harrier? Can they catch the wire?

Film at 11, please. I also still want to make my offer that they take John McCain as a Lend-Lease instructor. No please, I insist. Take the guy. On me. Take the guy.

29 posted on 01/20/2014 3:33:44 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (This GOP is dead. What do we do now?)
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To: Kenny Bunk
J-15 landing on the Chinese carrier
30 posted on 01/21/2014 8:51:25 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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