Skip to comments.China building its own aircraft carrier: party official
Posted on 01/18/2014 12:33:21 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
Taipei, Jan. 18 (CNA) The first aircraft carrier built entirely by China is being constructed in the northeastern city of Dalian, a Communist Party official said Saturday, confirming for the first time that the Chinese are building the vessel from scratch.
Wang Min, party secretary in Liaoning Province, made the disclosure during a meeting of the provincial people's congress, according to the online edition of the Chinese-language Takungpao daily in Hong Kong.
Wang told the delegates that the aircraft carrier is being built in a shipyard in Dalian and is expected to take six years to complete, Takungpao reported.
Wang also reportedly said that the Chinese Navy will operate at least four aircraft carriers in the future.
The Chinese Navy commissioned its first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, in September 2012 but the vessel was rebuilt in Dalian based on the hull of a former Soviet vessel first launched in late 1988.
There have been several reports about China building its own aircraft carriers but so far, the Chinese defense ministry has neither confirmed nor denied the reports.
Graphic on the origins of China's first aircraft carrier (AFP)
I wonder if it is nuclear powered.
There’s info about the Chinese getting the plans for the Ulyanovsk which was to have been a nuke.
Be a pity if it had to burn coal or heavy grade oil to keep it fired. Think of the carbon footprint....
Not that the Chinese military would give a flying whatever how big that carbon footprint might be. They do not have to answer to any “environmentalists”.
But nuclear power would certainly give them great leverage in patrolling the ocean, being unnecessary to refuel for years at a time, and fuel storage would be relatively compact. The used rods? Dump them overboard.
Or maybe they will go to a thoroughly modern molten-salt thorium reactor, which has a MUCH smaller nuclear waste product. And is completely practical as a power plant.
They can steal plans and build all they want. What they don’t have are experienced crews to make these carriers effective warships. Simply cannot obtain the eighty years of carrier experience and know how of the American Navy
Given the massive and growing military budget they’re playing with (~$200b), I expect a nuclear-powered non-ski jump carrier. Ultimately, it comes down to money - if you have enough of it budgeted, you can figure out everything from the ground up.
They must have found the plans for a cvn next to the f-35 plans that they hacked
Bad idea. CVs are “old” technology.
They should be looking into building UCAVs and UCAV support ships. It isn’t like they can’t buy or swipe the technology...
I have a hunch that they are not nuclear powered. That puts them at a strategic disadvantage. Destroy their oilers and they become stationary floating targets.
Hope it works better than the crap they send over here. :-)
Re post 7: you got that right. They will not reach the level of USN aviators for decades. They do not have the experience that allows them to train their pilots to the highest standards.
I get the jist of your message ... they hope, not us. I fully expect that it will be the same junk they send over here. The question is will our elected leaders fear them and conduct foriegn policy out of fear or from a position of strength. We once fear the Soviets and since then it has been proven that they were wanting in quality materiel and quality command and control. That pansy President from GA didn't believe in American exceptionalism and he basically wanted to unilaterally disarm America based on the fear of the soviet horde. It took Reagan years to rebuild confidence that should have been their all along.
Are they actually going to out aircraft on this one? They’re sort of missing the point with the one they have now.
Meanwhile, the Celestial Laundrymen are said to be assiduously practicing STOL and wire trapping exercises at a remote airfield (and historic cemetery.) The way to sabotage the CHICOM is to offer John McCain as a flight instructor.
First, your statement that the ChiComm apes don’t have the carrier experience will upset the doom and gloom surrender monkeys here on FR. They believe that the 50 IQ ChiComm apes can invade America whenever they want by floating over in bathtubs and ducky rings. In addition, the FR surrender monkeys think that there’s 50 divisions of ChiComm apes hiding in Texas sagebrush.
Good post, allendale.
4 ChiCom carriers = 4 Navy Crosses waiting to happen.
The ChiComs shouldn’t be worried about our carriers can do to their carriers. They should be worried about what our submarines can do to their carriers.
I guess that is the game then. Shawdow each carrier.
Unlike so many on this board, I see a massive threat to America from China.
China currently makes everything America buys.
They will make carriers, and planes, just as well as they make everything in every shopping mall.
America really needs to quit messing around, and bring back American manufacturing.
I got to read the actual quote from the Party Leader in the province around Dalian = who made this statement. His actual Chinese statement was that the Chinese would be starting their second "home built" carrier (which translates in Chinese to indigenous carrier) this year.
If true, this would mean that they already started another one somewhere else, probably Shanghai. There have been rumors for several months now that two indigenous STOBAR carriers would be built simultaneously in China, one in Dalian and the other in Shanghai. This quote seems to indicate that the second one is about to be started.
Their first carrier, that the article refers to is the Liaoning, CV-16, which was the former Soviet Varyag. It was laid up in Ukraine, about 70% complete (hull was 100% complete) when the USSR fell. They then sold it to China and over a ten year period, they refit it. But it is not, "home built," they refurbished it. The words the guy used in Chinese indicate that their second indigenous carrier would be staring in Dalian soon. To me, this means their first one has already been started, as I said, probably in Shanghai.
Looks like they will build two at once, and increase their numbers to three in the next 4-6 years.
I expect they will build two more after that, which will probably be full blown CATOBAR carriers and end up with a total of five.
Here's the history of the Liaoning, from unfinished hulk in the Ukraine, to the completed carrier it is today.
I'm surprised they're bothering with a STOBAR carrier, given the current size of the Chinese military budget (~$200b), which has presumably given the procurement people all the money they need for blue sky projects and then some. Wouldn't surprise me if their procurement budget was the same size as ours (~$100b).
I know you do! Thus, the ping.
Thanks for your input. Educational!
If China was serious they’d punch through North Korea into SK and capture their excellent shipyards.
I didn't know that! So how's that going? What do the Celestial Laundrymen and Moneylenders use for carrier aircraft? Have they got their own Harrier? Can they catch the wire?
Film at 11, please. I also still want to make my offer that they take John McCain as a Lend-Lease instructor. No please, I insist. Take the guy. On me. Take the guy.