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Auto sales: Plug-in electric sales nearly double in 2013
csmonitor ^ | January 3, 2014 | John Voelcker,

Posted on 01/18/2014 1:10:27 PM PST by ckilmer

More plug-in electric cars were sold in the US than ever before in their third year of sales. The 2013 total of roughly 90,000 electric vehicles didn't quite double the 2012 total of about 53,000,  but the numbers seem likely to grow again this year.

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The fleet of plug-in electric vehicles in the United States is the largest in the world. Since 2008 over 170,000 highway-capable plug-in electric cars have been sold in the country through December 2013.[2] The market share of plug-in electric passenger cars increased from 0.14% in 2011 through 0.37% in 2012 to 0.62% of new car sales during 2013.[3][4] The U.S. was the world's leader in plug-in electric car sales in 2012, with a 46% share of global sales.[5] When sales are broken down by type of powertrain, the United States was the leader in plug-in hybrid sales in 2012 with a 70% market share of global sales, and ranked second in pure electric car sales with a 26% share, after Japan (28%).[6] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicles_in_the_United_States
1 posted on 01/18/2014 1:10:27 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: thackney

I don’t know how fast sales of natural gas trucks and buses is accelerating. It looks like sales of electric vehicles are moving up fast. Sales tripled in 2012 and doubled again in 2013. They are coming off a small base however. I don’t think the big car companies are pushing them. However, the success of Tesla may force the big car companies to push electric cars harder.

Total sales of electric cars were something over 90k in 2013. Tesla sold about 21k of those. Tesla expects to sell over 40k cars in 2014.

Hard to say what the future will bring. However, this kind of growth is considered to be viral. If it keeps up for 5-10 years—it will take a significant bite out of the demand for oil—especially as more trucks and buses shift over to natural gas.

The tell will come in 2015-2016 when Tesla promises to have a 30k car that drives over 200 miles on one battery charge—like their current 80k car —. If that happens, then the long term future (10-15 years)goes out of fracking oil and deep sea oil.


2 posted on 01/18/2014 1:24:16 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

3 x 2 = 6


3 posted on 01/18/2014 1:32:28 PM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: ckilmer
It looks like sales of electric vehicles are moving up fast.

More early retirees buying golf carts.

4 posted on 01/18/2014 1:33:00 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: ckilmer

I wonder how many were purchased by federal/state/local governments or green energy advocate corporations with government funds.


5 posted on 01/18/2014 1:34:23 PM PST by jim-x (9/11/2001 - Never forget, Never forgive.)
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To: ckilmer

A local dealer is advertising a ‘13 volt for $30 k.....

Whata deal!!


6 posted on 01/18/2014 1:34:43 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: ckilmer

Here we go again. The ‘RAT liberals playing with numbers.


7 posted on 01/18/2014 1:36:05 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Where are Holder's "po folks" getting the I.D.s to sign up for ObamaCare?)
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To: ckilmer

If they can find a way to recharge the batteries quickly, that will help sell these cars.

If they can find a way to charge them at home, without help from the grid, that will make these cars skyrocket.

Too bad the things can’t be run off capacitors. As I understand it, you can fill capacitors rapidly. You can also empty them rapidly. For fast turn-around, nothing beats the capacitor. And if you need peek power, the capacitor is there to empty on demand, much faster than a battery.


8 posted on 01/18/2014 1:36:16 PM PST by DoughtyOne (ZERO is still zero, and John Kerry is a mock-puppet!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I believe that is true. I don’t have a story to tell, but it’s my believe these numbers were fudged by government involvement beyond tax rebates.


9 posted on 01/18/2014 1:37:32 PM PST by DoughtyOne (ZERO is still zero, and John Kerry is a mock-puppet!)
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To: ckilmer

Any idea what the electricity cost is if you charge your battery from dead to a full charge? That never seems to be mentioned.


10 posted on 01/18/2014 1:42:14 PM PST by Ditter
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To: DoughtyOne

The sad part comes when those who did buy one find out Barry and the EPA have a great big surprise waiting for them this year. I guess they can always push the car over next to the house and use it as a storage shed.


11 posted on 01/18/2014 1:43:34 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Where are Holder's "po folks" getting the I.D.s to sign up for ObamaCare?)
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To: ckilmer

No need for a plug in car. Here is the 1st battery powered car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FsVjKewl_U


12 posted on 01/18/2014 1:46:37 PM PST by FreedomGuru (Time for torches and pitchforks.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Heaven only knows what Barry and the EPA have in store for any or all of us. With a wave of his pen, he can do just about anything. Our Congress (in total) might just as well be on his side, for all the good they’ll do us.


13 posted on 01/18/2014 1:48:40 PM PST by DoughtyOne (ZERO is still zero, and John Kerry is a mock-puppet!)
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To: ckilmer

These glorified golf carts still are not practical for more than relatively short commuter runs, and the battery technology that would make them really competitive is still years away.

It is more likely that fuel-cell technology will be a more viable means to eventually eliminate dependence on internal combustion engines, but I am still holding out for the return of steam generation of power in a very compact form, fueled by compressed natural gas or propane.

Abner Doble had this worked out 90 years ago.


14 posted on 01/18/2014 1:49:22 PM PST by alloysteel (Obamacare - Death and Taxes now available online. One-stop shopping at its best!)
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To: All

I would still like to hear how these cars did in the Polar Vortex areas...
Someday the batteries might get there , but not yet..


15 posted on 01/18/2014 1:57:39 PM PST by uncle fenders
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To: jim-x

Bingo!


16 posted on 01/18/2014 2:11:19 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Ditter

Haven’t you heard. Electricity comes free from the wall socket.


17 posted on 01/18/2014 2:13:05 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: alloysteel

Maybe a hybrid steam/gasolene.
Internal combustion to start off, then steam.

Note: Veeblefeltzer sales double from last year.
Manufactures predict sales to triple next year
with 3 sold.


18 posted on 01/18/2014 2:17:56 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: ckilmer

out of 18 million cars sold in just the usa last year...big whoop. It’s like a lot of litte Edsels.


19 posted on 01/18/2014 2:24:12 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: DoughtyOne

You’re quite right. Many were “gifted to employees for testing purposes. Of course, that’s a total write off.


20 posted on 01/18/2014 2:26:11 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: alloysteel

I had the opportunity to ride in a friend’s Tesla last week, and I have to say it is a very impressive car. For commuting, he is able to go four days between charges. It’s an expensive car, but commuting in a temperate clime is the perfect use case for it.

I am 100% opposed to any government subsidies, however. Just because the tech is cool doesn’t mean that the taxpayers need to pay for it.


21 posted on 01/18/2014 2:35:05 PM PST by dinodino
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To: Cobra64

mmmmmm..... apparently you can’t answer my question either.

Anyone? What does the electricity cost to charge an electric car?


22 posted on 01/18/2014 2:44:08 PM PST by Ditter
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To: ckilmer

Taxpayers to get charged as Pentagon buys up Chevy Volts

Energy In America Published September 11, 2012FoxNews.com

R.I. state government to buy electric plug-in and hybrid vehicles

http://blogs.providencejournal.com/cars/2013/06/ri-state-government-to-buy-electric-plug-in-and-hybrid-vehicles.html

Nearly Free Electric Car Leases in a State Near You?

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2013/05/nearly-free-electric-car-leases-in-a-state-near-you/

Federal Tax Credits for Electric Vehicles Purchased in or after 2010Photo of cash and keys
Federal Tax Credit Up To $7,500!
Electric vehicles (EVs) purchased in or after 2010 may be eligible for a federal income tax credit of up to $7,500. The credit amount will vary based on the capacity of the battery used to fuel the vehicle.

This credit replaces an earlier credit for EVs purchased in 2009.

Small neighborhood electric vehicles do not qualify for this credit, but they may qualify for another credit.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxevb.shtml

Obama Administration Buys Electric Cars, Charging Stations

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1060536_obama-administration-buys-electric-cars-charging-stations


23 posted on 01/18/2014 2:48:48 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ckilmer

The hottest electric cars leave winter drivers out in the cold

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/13/the-hottest-electric-cars-leaver-winter-drivers-out-in-the-cold/#ixzz2qnFGURDV


24 posted on 01/18/2014 2:50:14 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

true. that’s a problem for electric cars. and will remain so for some time and stop them cold in colder climates.

Its likely no coincidence that the Tesla is built and has most of its sales in california where the temperature is perfect for electric cars.


25 posted on 01/18/2014 2:53:35 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: jim-x

Another big question is “How many were purchased as taxi’s”? It seems like a high proportion of cabs in CA are Prius.


26 posted on 01/18/2014 2:57:00 PM PST by SixIron (Golf and liberal thinking- life's great frustrations)
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To: Sacajaweau

out of 18 million cars sold in just the usa last year...big whoop. It’s like a lot of litte Edsels.
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true and the whole thing would not be interesting if it were not that sales tripled in 2012 and doubled again in 2013. Tesla expects their sales to double in 2014 from 20k to 40k. Once again this is a drop in the bucket. However, the trend and the rate of uptake bear watching.

The big thing comes in 2016 when Tesla promises to deliver a car for 30k that can go 250 miles per charge. That’s something only their 80k Tesla S class can do.

If Tesla delivers, then the electric car business takes off.


27 posted on 01/18/2014 2:58:40 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: DIRTYSECRET

3 x 2 = 6
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true.


28 posted on 01/18/2014 3:01:12 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: Don Corleone

It looks like sales of electric vehicles are moving up fast.

More early retirees buying golf carts.
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true that. plus electric boats. sales of electric motors in general are skyrocketing.


29 posted on 01/18/2014 3:03:38 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: Sacajaweau

I hadn’t heard that. It’s an important fact to know isn’t it.

Thanks.


30 posted on 01/18/2014 3:11:52 PM PST by DoughtyOne (ZERO is still zero, and John Kerry is a mock-puppet!)
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To: Sacajaweau

I hadn’t heard that. It’s an important fact to know isn’t it.

Thanks.

Here’s a couple of articles:

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1073034_ge-employees-get-chevy-volt-electric-cars-all-gas-use-oked-sometimes

http://gas2.org/2012/02/20/ge-forcing-employees-into-chevy-volts/


31 posted on 01/18/2014 3:16:12 PM PST by DoughtyOne (ZERO is still zero, and John Kerry is a mock-puppet!)
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To: DoughtyOne

This all happened about the same time that Obama put the CEO (I think) of General Electric on as part of his staff. Can’t imagine anyone giving that up for Obama. Dumb in my mind.


32 posted on 01/18/2014 3:27:43 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: DoughtyOne

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/21/obama-picks-jeffrey-immel-ge-jobs-overseas_n_812502.html


33 posted on 01/18/2014 3:31:23 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: ckilmer

34 posted on 01/18/2014 3:37:41 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: ckilmer

In other news, sales of ten mile long electric extension cords have doubled.


35 posted on 01/18/2014 3:50:50 PM PST by RicocheT (Where neither their property nor their honor is touched, most men live content, Niccolo Machiavelli)
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To: ckilmer

This is pie-in-the-sky crap.

Check out Shai Agassi’s Better Place venture in Israel.

Here’s the pie-in-the-sky link for all you electric car dreamers:

http://qz.com/166979/consumers-care-about-packaging-almost-as-much-as-the-brand/

Reality sucks, dudes.


36 posted on 01/18/2014 4:01:56 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: ckilmer

I saw a hybrid running slowly on its tiny engine on the Rockies a few weeks ago. Wonder if they made it to another gas station.


37 posted on 01/18/2014 4:19:04 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: ckilmer

Awesome! More gas for me and my F-250!


38 posted on 01/18/2014 6:02:19 PM PST by subterfuge (CBS NBC ABC FOX AP-- all no different than Pravda.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Heard the director at work saying that a guy who drives an electric car to work can charge it there for free!

WTH?


39 posted on 01/18/2014 6:08:27 PM PST by bicyclerepair (TERM LIMITS TERM LIMITS TERM LIMITS)
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To: ckilmer

there’s something missing in all this. what does it do to the electric grid if 6 million cars are plugged in overnight


40 posted on 01/18/2014 6:59:42 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

there’s something missing in all this. what does it do to the electric grid if 6 million cars are plugged in overnight
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agree. demand for electricity is going up.

It will take roughly 6 years to reach 6 million cars at roughly current rates of expansion (say a rough double every year.)

However, there’s a huge supply of natural gas that will be used to power new electrical generation plants and alarger supply of coal which for now won’t be used.

Right now half of new electric generation capacity is coming from solar and wind. You can see the solar plants in the southwest if you fly to LA and the big wind farms in wyoming if you fly to san francisco.

The big deal imho will be 4th generation nuclear reactors. But I don’t think we’ll see them for a couple years at least. Five years from now however, when demand is higher and the technology is more advanced, 4th generation reactors will swing into more general view.

imho there will come an enormous public international race to make the first lftr thorium reactors in a year or two.


41 posted on 01/18/2014 9:15:24 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: sergeantdave

You made your point by analogy. And that’s beautiful.

I made my point with numbers. The number of electric cars purchased has gone up five fold in the last two years.

Maybe the increase in volumes of electric cars purchased will come to a screaming halt.

Maybe they won’t.

We’ll see.


42 posted on 01/18/2014 9:23:15 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: familyop

I saw a hybrid running slowly on its tiny engine on the Rockies a few weeks ago. Wonder if they made it to another gas station.
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I would not want to drive a hybrid or an electric car in the mountains in the winter. That’s just plain stupid.

They’re best suited for California, the southwest and the southeast for the time being.


43 posted on 01/18/2014 9:24:46 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

Agreed. I use batteries with a PV solar system for electricity (too far from powerlines here). Cold weather shrinks charge capacity terribly. I’ve read that the batteries for electric cars don’t suffer as much from cold but that they are affected. There are also the steep climbs through passes, long distances between stations and other hinderances.


44 posted on 01/18/2014 9:29:16 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Exactly...


45 posted on 01/18/2014 10:28:54 PM PST by DoughtyOne (ZERO is still zero, and John Kerry is a mock-puppet!)
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To: Sacajaweau

Thanks for the link. Good read...


46 posted on 01/18/2014 10:36:50 PM PST by DoughtyOne (ZERO is still zero, and John Kerry is a mock-puppet!)
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


47 posted on 01/18/2014 11:31:33 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks ckilmer.


48 posted on 01/19/2014 10:32:09 AM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: DoughtyOne
recharge the batteries quickly

Hey Doughty,

The other night I was reading a thread about a Korean produced device which allows a person to breath underwater without a scuba tank.

This in itself was interesting as it filters O2 out of the water using battery current. What was real interesting was the claim that they had created a new battery technology that has a much longer lasting charge, and recharges in the fraction of the time.

I'll try to find it.

49 posted on 01/19/2014 10:39:40 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Here we go:

“Triton uses a new technology of artificial gill model. - It extracts oxygen under water through a filter in the form of fine threads with holes smaller than water molecules. - This is a technology developed by a Korean scientist that allows us to freely breathe under water for a long time. - Using a very small but powerful micro compressor, it compresses oxygen and stores the extracted oxygen in storage tank. - The micro compressor operates through micro battery. - The micro battery is a next-generation technology with a size 30 times smaller than current battery that can quickly charge 1,000 times faster.” – Yanko Design

Sources:

http://www.trendhunter.com/trends/triton-oxygen-respirator

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Spotlight-Odd-Looking-Scuba-Mask-Turns-You-Into-a-Fish-413882.shtml

http://www.yankodesign.com/2014/01/03/scuba-breath

50 posted on 01/19/2014 10:46:15 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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