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Navy SEAL from "Lone Survivor" Sets This Journalist Straight on What It Means to Protect America
Heritage Foundation ^ | Jan 12, 2014 | Ericka Andersen

Posted on 01/18/2014 2:52:52 PM PST by upchuck

Movie critics have called “Lone Survivor” the best war-time movie since “Saving Private Ryan.”

The film — based on the true story of Navy SEALs on a mission in Afghanistan — caused CNN’s Jake Tapper to question the operation that took the lives of 19 men. The Navy SEALs were tasked to capture or kill Taliban leader Ahmad Shah when an unexpected event forced them into a deadly situation.

During a tense interview with former Navy SEAL Marcus Luttrell and Mark Wahlberg, who plays Luttrell in the movie, Tapper questioned if the lives of the 19 men were lost “senselessly.” Luttrell responded with an answer you’ll want to watch beginning at 1:15 in the clip.

Read the transcript below:

Jake Tapper: One of the emotions I felt while watching was, first of all, the hopelessness of the situation, how horrific it was. And I was torn about the message of the film in the same way that I think I am about the war in Afghanistan itself. I don’t want any more senseless American death.

Marcus Luttrell: I don’t know what part of the film you were watching, but hopelessness never really came into it. Where did you see that? We never felt like we were hopelessly lost or anything like that. We never gave up. We never felt like we were losing until we were actually dead.

Tapper: It seemed senseless. I don’t mean to disrespect in any way, but it seemed senseless — all of these wonderful people who were killed for an op that went wrong.

Luttrell: We spend our whole lives training to defending this country, and then we were sent over there by this country. So you’re telling me because we were over there doing what we were told by our country, that it was senseless? And my guys, what? They died for nothing?

Tapper: No.

Luttrell: That’s what you said. So, let me just say, it went bad for us over there, but that was our job. That’s what we did. We didn’t complain about it.


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1 posted on 01/18/2014 2:52:53 PM PST by upchuck
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To: upchuck

“To have really lived, you must have almost died. To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.”


2 posted on 01/18/2014 3:00:26 PM PST by 230FMJ (...from my cold, dead, fingers.)
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To: basil

self ping to read later……...


3 posted on 01/18/2014 3:00:32 PM PST by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: basil
video clip removed, but the transcript is SO frikkin' right on.

Hey mr reporter ... GFY.

4 posted on 01/18/2014 3:07:36 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: upchuck
A recent response to this exchange at "Foreign Policy"

Yes, Marcus. They did die in vain.

5 posted on 01/18/2014 3:10:23 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: upchuck
I don’t believe for a second that Tapper had his set Tapper straight in the sense that Tapper’s mind was changed about Afghanistan or the Navy Seals’ mission there.

No Tapper still believes that Afghanistan is/was a mistake and I am sure that he believes that the Seals are mind numbed robots and baby killers.

Tapper is a hopeless America hating Progressive Marxist. His mind is as unchangeable as the tides.

6 posted on 01/18/2014 3:17:14 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac

That and he is obviously a pussy.


7 posted on 01/18/2014 3:20:37 PM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: upchuck

The Video link no longer works, removed from YouTube.


8 posted on 01/18/2014 3:48:29 PM PST by 4Speed
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To: Future Snake Eater

About what I expected from FP, it’s our fault.
He does have a point about us not holding our
leadership accountable though.
Why democrats seem to want to lose wars is beyond
me.


9 posted on 01/18/2014 3:49:59 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: upchuck
Video removed as deceptive and a scam.

HUH??

10 posted on 01/18/2014 4:01:16 PM PST by what's up
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To: Future Snake Eater
A recent response to this exchange at “Foreign Policy”
Yes, Marcus. They did die in vain.

In these interminable conflicts driven by incoherent (at best) strategy men such as these can only derive what comfort there is in what Lee at Appomattox stated to his army;

“You will take with you the satisfaction that proceeds from the consciousness of duty faithfully performed, and I earnestly pray that a merciful God will extend to you his blessing and protection.”

11 posted on 01/18/2014 4:27:46 PM PST by robowombat
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To: upchuck

Just got back from seeing the movie - I felt pissed that we have a president that is pissing so much of that away - much more so than watching Black Hawk Down and loathing Klinton.


12 posted on 01/18/2014 4:44:11 PM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: 230FMJ

That’s a great quote. Who’s it from?


13 posted on 01/18/2014 4:47:17 PM PST by EDINVA ( m)
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To: upchuck

Just saw the movie and thought.... yeah, a woman on the team would have made a difference. That is if she can fit it in to her busy schedule after her year sabbatical.


14 posted on 01/18/2014 4:52:18 PM PST by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: robowombat

I really dislike the author’s thesis, but I’m having a hard time arguing against it. I had friends die in Iraq. I myself was nearly killed a couple of times. What did they die for, exactly? We killed a bunch of them over there instead of having to do it here, I guess, but there’s plenty more where that came from and the nation we were supposed to be helping is steadily descending into chaos. Afghanistan is easily as bad. What was the point?

We did our job as best we could, but, in the end, is that enough?


15 posted on 01/18/2014 5:07:28 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Future Snake Eater
You and your brothers were winning the war. Washington and the voters lost the war.
16 posted on 01/18/2014 5:08:50 PM PST by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Future Snake Eater

whatever this clip says about their having died in vain, people need to shut up or take it up with congress, who makes these decisions, and thank the military who follow the orders of the American people via congress.

Period.


17 posted on 01/18/2014 5:30:15 PM PST by stanne
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To: tet68
Why democrats seem to want to lose wars is beyond me

RATS want to lose the wars because that way it appears that they did something, but didn't hurt the enemy.

It also goes without saying that they are against war - because it is bad and kills people, but they are just fine with abortion as a birth control method.

18 posted on 01/18/2014 5:52:32 PM PST by Cyclone59 (Where are we going, and what's with the handbasket?)
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To: upchuck
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things.
The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.
The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

John Stuart Mill

19 posted on 01/18/2014 6:13:35 PM PST by Larry381 ("God is dead." (Nietzsche, 1885) "Nietzsche is dead." (God, 1900))
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To: what's up

I just saw that, too! WTF? Some wacko leftist commie complained and had it removed?

“This video has been removed as a violation of YouTube’s policy agains spam, scams, and commercially deceptive content.”

That is OUTRAGEOUS.

My son and I went and saw it this afternoon. I came away SO pissed about the God damn ROE that our troops have to operate under over there.


20 posted on 01/18/2014 6:37:03 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Future Snake Eater
What did they die for, exactly? We killed a bunch of them over there instead of having to do it here, I guess, but there’s plenty more where that came from and the nation we were supposed to be helping is steadily descending into chaos. Afghanistan is easily as bad. What was the point?

It is the same point as the Vets made in Korea, Nam, Iraq and Afghanistan.

The military wins the battles and the ball-less politicians can't stand up to civilian pressure, and cave in.

I'm so sick of hearing "the American people are tired of war".

That means all the people that have never served, have no immediate family that served and only knew that the son of their lawn man is in Iraq or Iran {they get so confused}, are sick and tired of hearing about "our boys" being killed and really don't want to look at pictures of the wounded warriors.

The last warrior President was Harry S. Truman, when he nuked the Japs and saved hundreds of thousands of American lives and probably a million or more Japs.

Even Reagan caved to the Saudi mooslimbs when they killed the Marines in Beirut.

GWB started out OK but should have just given the Afgannys a 30 day warning to turn over osama bin laden or we nuke'en. Screw boots on the ground, and if civilians get toasted, check the Twin Towers for justification.

21 posted on 01/18/2014 7:50:58 PM PST by USS Alaska (If I could...I would.)
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To: USS Alaska

Exactly. It should be total war or absolutely nothing. Annihilate them or don’t spill an ounce of American blood on the savages.


22 posted on 01/18/2014 8:26:17 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Yep, I was watching the movie and there is a scene where those guys spot the taliban leader walking around in a village. At that point they should have just called in an air strike and inspected the burnt out ruins afterwards.

Wage war - not a half-assed “police action”.


23 posted on 01/18/2014 9:40:14 PM PST by glorgau
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
I came away SO pissed about the God damn ROE that our troops have to operate under over there.

I saw the film today, too, and thought the same thing. How can they accomplish what they are so well trained to do when they have to worry about some dangerously impractical rule that the enemy doesn't have to follow.

24 posted on 01/18/2014 10:37:28 PM PST by KittyKares (.)
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To: glorgau
where those guys spot the taliban leader walking around in a village. At that point they should have just called in an air strike

You are completely right! You have more sense than those who gave the Seals their mission.

25 posted on 01/18/2014 10:43:30 PM PST by KittyKares (.)
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To: KittyKares

I saw it today as well. Wondered why we have thin numbers of Apache’s when large numbers of less expensive Cobra’s would be nice. Also, something doesn’t add up. How can you be trained all the way to the level of being a SEAL and then have my wife turn to me and ask “why didn’t they tie them to a tree for a bit of a head start?”. She’s a great gal, don’t get me wrong but Hannibul she ain’t.


26 posted on 01/18/2014 10:45:26 PM PST by The Toll
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To: stanne
whatever this clip says about their having died in vain, people need to shut up or take it up with congress, who makes these decisions, and thank the military who follow the orders of the American people via congress.

WTF? Do you live in a dictatorship? (well, close now)

It is the job of the free to tell our leaders how to govern & fight. ROE has killed THOUSANDS and you say "shut up, march on and DIE"?

No. I WILL NOT shut up, for my brothers, for my boy's brothers, for all that died after the insane decision to repeat the Russian mistake. They no longer listen to 'us'.

So much for 'taking it up with Congress', as there are so many A$$HATS in this country they keep getting reelected. Now we have King A$$HAT & his minions, all being strung along by others with more power.

My mantra since 2004 has been 'vote non-incumbent'; I repeat that.

AND I WILL NOT SHUT UP!

Apologize, or STFU yourself.

27 posted on 01/19/2014 8:51:21 AM PST by logi_cal869
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To: logi_cal869

Posting and drinking is not advisable.

If you read my comment you will see that the meaning is clear.

The Jake Tappers need to quit criticizing the military members for their involvement in missions Tapper doesn’t agree with. He needs to take it up with congress.


28 posted on 01/19/2014 9:02:43 AM PST by stanne
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To: The Toll; KittyKares

I simply couldn’t believe their debate after the goat herders stumbled upon them: “We have 3 options: 1) let them go and run for it; 2) tie them up and have the wolves eat them or let them freeze to death; or 3) kill them and wind up on CNN and get 20 year sentences to Leavenworth like the poor schlub who took a war trophy pistol.” In every action and spy movie made in the last 30 years, the goat herders would have been dispatched on the spot with slit throats. What sort of nation allows such ridiculous “debate” in a blown field operation?


29 posted on 01/19/2014 9:22:31 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Cyclone59; tet68

It’s not just ‘rats’. I was never signed on to the idea of Eisenhower’s warning (the ‘Military Industrial Complex’) until I got older. GW proved it without a doubt imho.

Afghanistan should have remained a SOF action. The MIC smelled $$, lobbied the Pentagon brass/Congress and they went all-in, without regard for after-action (what it means to ‘win’). It really is the only explanation for what was a successful campaign up to then.

Then came ERROE. (escalating-restrictive ROE)

Lone Survivor was an incredibly emotional experience for me and I wasn’t in the sandbox. I got very, very angry that they didn’t call in an airstrike, let the goat herders go and didn’t have a better SHTF/Extraction plan, because I KNEW that it was due to the political landscape, not ‘military doctrine’.

The really horrible irony is what’s happened to opium production via Afghanistan since ‘01. Sickening. Let alone what’s happened to the price of heroin & cocaine in the last decade. Are we really out to win ‘anything’?

Maybe I should just ‘shut up’.

See my other comment in this thread...


30 posted on 01/19/2014 9:33:50 AM PST by logi_cal869
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To: stanne

No, you were not clear.

You wrote ‘people’, not a$$hat journalists. I will squawk and I recommend others do as well. No one publishes a list of military deaths under Bama and run stories on it every week (correct me if I’m wrong, but you get my point).

But I’ll accept your self-admonition (posting & drinking), and I agree with your latter. ;-)

But he/they won’t & don’t have the cojones...


31 posted on 01/19/2014 9:40:48 AM PST by logi_cal869
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To: logi_cal869

Oh, ok, you’re under the impression that the American people do not resent and blame the military for the engagements they are involved in.

Well, we’re done here, then.

You might tell the people you’re trying to wrangle into your argument, your explanation of why the American people allowed congress and the senate, last week, to breach our contract with career military and their families, taking money away from them, ignoring a contract, the American people allowing this without a peep. So much less than they would screech when congress so much as threatens to take money from anyone else, any other group, except the Tea Party.


32 posted on 01/19/2014 9:52:04 AM PST by stanne
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To: logi_cal869

No, the comment was directed at you for the only explanation for your disgusting offensive tone, and for your incoherence in reading my post.

Get away from me.


33 posted on 01/19/2014 9:53:40 AM PST by stanne
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To: logi_cal869

“whatever this clip says about their having died in vain, people need to shut up or take it up with congress, who makes these decisions, and thank the military who follow the orders of the American people via congress.

Period.”

This is my entire comment.

What is it about “people need to shut up...and thank the military...” that is anti military?


34 posted on 01/19/2014 9:57:11 AM PST by stanne
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To: stanne
What is it about “people need to shut up...and thank the military...” that is anti military?

Incoherent? It is not I.

I will thank a soldier; I will NOT thank the military.

Again, be clear. I retract my acceptance; you're writing like you're still on the sauce.

35 posted on 01/19/2014 11:19:38 AM PST by logi_cal869
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To: stanne
...why the American people allowed congress and the senate...

Before you go off half-cocked again, completely dismissing you not writing clearly (twice), we're on the same side here.

36 posted on 01/19/2014 11:22:05 AM PST by logi_cal869
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To: logi_cal869

You have been offensive and abusive in your posts.

And illogical and argumentive.

WE don’t use acronyms that suggest profanity here. But if this is the new trend, and it is allowed, though profanity is prohibited, it’s not my website.

I’ll just stay off of it.

But we are certainly finished here.


37 posted on 01/19/2014 11:31:15 AM PST by stanne
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To: stanne
...take it up with congress

There is no 'taking it up with Congress'.

I have zero faith that anything will change at this point. The entire establishment is working to destroy all those that oppose the status quo. Thus, what candidates actually decide to show up this fall to challenge will be far to little to make a difference.

It's less about the 50% of the country that will continue to vote the way they do (the left/biased); it's about the % of the other half that are idolatrous, self-serving hypocrites, refusing to compromise their selfish interests for the needed changes and/or won't show up to vote.

Anyone that makes a living in part or whole on government contracts fall into that piggery, among others, imho. That goes double for those that still believe a house is a profit-instrument and think fake equity is 'free money'.

With the aged now falling into the 'biased' category, well...we're screwed to the end.

38 posted on 01/19/2014 11:33:40 AM PST by logi_cal869
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To: Future Snake Eater

His disagreement with Luttrell is political. His thesis that Marcus’ team members died in vain is based solely on his view of the validity of the war in Afghanistan from a political viewpoint. But Luttrell does not agree with him. He thinks the war in Afghanistan was righteous though the tactics and ROE are wanting and the liberals in the MSM cause unnecessary American kia and wia by pressuring weak Generals to prosecute warriors for conducting war.

The Seal team mission was to kill or capture a jihadi causing or likely to cause marine deaths in that AO. Luttrell and his teammates believed that was a righteous mission. Luttrell was the sole survivior. DO you think his team members think that they died in vain to assure Luttrell’s survival? I don’t.

You guys did exceptional work in the Mideast and I regret that I was too damn old to get back in uniform and help out but life goes on. What you did was necessary and proper and the value of your service is not diminished by the weaklings leading you with insane ROE and preoccupation with stupidity like Abu Graib.

The Middle East jihadist boil needed lancing before it exploded and you and your brothers in arms did just that. God bless you and thank you all.


39 posted on 01/19/2014 11:34:15 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: logi_cal869

I am done with your offensiveness and this illogical argument


40 posted on 01/19/2014 11:35:22 AM PST by stanne
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To: stanne
You have been offensive and abusive in your posts.

Unbelievable. You write poorly. If that's abusive, so be it.

You asserted "people should shut up"; I challenged you on telling me I should just shut up. If that's abusive, so be it.

You suggested I was 'drinking & posting'. I took that as satire. If I were an a$$ I'd call that abuse. I'm not.

Frankly, I'm tear-ing up laughing. I already stated 'we're on the same side' and you're still ripping me down after writing 'fini' twice.

Tell you what: "I'M" going to go have a drink now and ignore your last comment. Anything further will be considered abuse. Good luck to you. (sincerely)

(and if I get banned because I engaged you in discussion, well...that would simply be pathetic. But I wouldn't be surprised if half the planet were drinking today)

41 posted on 01/19/2014 11:44:33 AM PST by logi_cal869
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To: jwalsh07
Luttrell and his teammates believed that was a righteous mission. Luttrell was the sole survivior. DO you think his team members think that they died in vain to assure Luttrell’s survival? I don’t.

This is all from the tactical standpoint, and I agree with you. From the strategic level up to the national policy level, can this all be justified? Those guys (and thousands of others in Iraq and Afghanistan) have died for....what, exactly? We withdrew from Iraq and AQ is taking over major cities. It's so bad there that numbskulls are even talking about training Iraqi military in Jordan. My memory's a bit hazy, but didn't we just spend about 10 years doing exactly that? Why would it work this time? How much will it cost, how long will it go on?

Afghanistan is descending further and further into chaos. Karzai hasn't been an ally in years, if he ever was. Those people have been doing their thing for thousands of years--what can we offer them?

Having seen up close how these people live and think, I don't believe we were fighting for freedom. Islam is antithetical to freedom. Were we fighting for our freedom? Hardly. We're more of a police state now than ever.

I don't think it's too much to ask that we take a real close look at our policy as a nation and ensure that we are engaging an enemy with an actual purpose in mind. Such demands don't impugn the individuals who fought and died, but it does call shame upon those who put us in that position to begin with. Of course, the problem there is attempting to shame the shameless. Not gonna happen.

42 posted on 01/19/2014 12:01:38 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Future Snake Eater

Let’s start here: Should President Bush have sent forces to Afghanistan after the 9/11 attacks? Were the American lives lost in the Korean War in vain? WW2? Do the tactics used or not used by our leaders determine the righteousness of the strategic cause?


43 posted on 01/19/2014 12:12:35 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: upchuck
Hey, upchuck: Sorry your thread got poisoned.

I resisted commenting the first time this the Tapper video came up; I should have just kept my metaphorical mouth shut.

Luttrell's response was 100% on target & Tapper was unusually incompetent. Not defending him, but I'd wager he didn't have creative control. But...whatever. Interesting thread at the link below. Among the comments:

Jake Tapper defends tense interview with ‘Lone Survivor’ Marcus Luttrell

Sean Parnell @SeanParnellUSA

@jaketapper asked a question I hear all the time from civilians. @MarcusLuttrell answered like a true warrior should.

@SeanParnellUSA @MarcusLuttrell that's why I aired it, though I knew it was uncomfortable – to shine a light on that disconnect—
Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) January 11, 2014

@jaketapper Convos like that need to happen a thousand times a day, everyday until America understands what our warriors have been through.—
Sean Parnell (@SeanParnellUSA) January 11, 2014


44 posted on 01/19/2014 12:14:38 PM PST by logi_cal869
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To: Future Snake Eater

Spot on.


45 posted on 01/19/2014 12:15:33 PM PST by logi_cal869
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To: Future Snake Eater

BTW, I agree with you that at some point further deaths are in vain if the tactics being used by our “leaders” no longer advance the strategic cause and I think we have reached that point in Afghanistan. But Luttrell’s mission was in 2005 where the strategy being employed was to take the offensive against a growing and dangerous threat that had been killing Americans with impunity for decades. Did that offensive save American lives form attacks by jihadists? I think they did.


46 posted on 01/19/2014 12:20:26 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
Should President Bush have sent forces to Afghanistan after the 9/11 attacks?

I'll bite 'cause I feel very strongly about it.

1. Yes.

2. BUT Bush shouldn't have caved to pressure to go 'regular'; it should have remained SOCOM with air support. We didn't even need the 'coalition'; ISAF...what a joke. It brought us ER-ROE, ya know. (absolutely no offense to the Brits et al on the ground)

(Pakistan & CIA drones are a whole other discussion.)

We're now repeating history. How pathetic is that?

IMHO, not having these hard conversations permit it to happen again. After all, Bama's now in-process routing out Generals & appointing those that will follow his bidding...

47 posted on 01/19/2014 12:27:49 PM PST by logi_cal869
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To: logi_cal869

I think there is no question that the tactics and ROE used in Afghanistan were less than optimal. But the strategy of taking the fight to the jihadists was the correct one following 9/11 and a whole host of other attacks. The author claims that Luttrell is wrong when Luttrell says his team members deaths were not in vain. He bases this on his political opinion that entry into Afghanistan was wrong. I reject that out of hand and so does Luttrell so who is the author to declare Luttrell wrong based on their differing politics? To me the author referenced by future snake eater is simply using Luttrell’s team to make a political point that does not make true his assertion that Luttrell’s team members died in vain chasing jihadists 4 years after 9/11.


48 posted on 01/19/2014 12:38:39 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Future Snake Eater

You did your job. This country, especially our politicians did not have your back. For some reason politicians cannot seem to equate that foreign policy and rules of engagement have anything to do with results. Thank you for your service.

In my opinion we should never go to war unless we are willing to go all out and win. None of this political correctness, don’t shoot until they shoot, none of that. If we have to go to war, go fight to win, and come home.


49 posted on 01/19/2014 1:06:04 PM PST by Tammy8
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To: upchuck

I have seen the movie and I think everyone over 18 should see it. I saw very brave men giving their all for the mission they were sent to do.

I am embarrassed that our country tied their hands behind their backs when we sent them with the rules they were expected to follow. The goat herders had a sat. phone so were obviously affiliated with the Taliban. The SEALS should have been able to treat them as enemy combatants, armed or not. There are such a thing as enemy spies and we used to understand that. I am also embarrassed that communications for the SEALS were so poor- the plane they were in contact with left, why was it not replaced by another? Why did it seem there were not enough helicopters available when needed? Support needed for the mission seemed to be lacking.

I do not think the men that died did so in vain, or needlessly. They did their job, and then some. I have a lot of pride in men like that who serve to protect all of us. I think our country needs to do the right thing when we send people to fight, make sure they have the support they need and do not take political correctness to war.


50 posted on 01/19/2014 1:17:12 PM PST by Tammy8
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