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How It Might All Go Down: When the very survival of Israel is at stake, Israel will not hesitate...
Arutz Sheva ^ | January 9, 2014 | Dr. Joseph Frager

Posted on 01/18/2014 5:02:43 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

According to former Prime Minister of Israel, Ehud Olmert, Israel has already spent ten billion dollars on developing ways to either delay or completely neutralize the Iranian nuclear threat.

Israel's military knows no bounds. When the very survival of the Land of Israel is at stake, Israel will not hesitate to surprise American policymakers and military experts.

The last time this happened was not 1967, or 1976's Entebbe. It was September 6, 2007, when Israel destroyed the Syrian plutonium reactor at Al Kibar. American military experts had thought this was improbable, and some said – impossible.

In September, 2012, the Center for Strategic and International Studies reported that "Israel does not have the capability to carry out preventive strikes that could do more than delay Iran's efforts for a year or two.” Former CIA Director Michael Hayden was even more pessimistic, saying that airstrikes capable of seriously hurting Iran's nuclear program are beyond Israel's capacity.

Nothing is beyond Israel's capacity. That has been the lesson of Israel's existence since its inception. Also, no surprise is out of Israel's reach, nor should it be. Yes, having bunker buster bombs would make it easier to guarantee total destruction of some of Iran's highly fortified nuclear reactors buried deep in the mountains.

As Israel gets pushed further and further against the wall by an out-of-touch and severely naive Obama administration, the chances of a 2014 Surprise grows by the day.

The deal that the Obama Administration worked out is unraveling...

(Excerpt) Read more at israelnationalnews.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; Politics/Elections; Syria; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ehudolmert; iran; israel; josephfrager; nationalsecurityfail; obama; syria; waronterror
Ten billion dollars is a lot of money for a tiny country.
1 posted on 01/18/2014 5:02:43 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Israel will nuke if they think they are about to be nuked.

You can bet your sweet bippy on that.


2 posted on 01/18/2014 5:06:32 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle

I call it the Samson principle — take all your enemies with you, leave none behind, if they seek your destruction.


3 posted on 01/18/2014 5:12:20 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

From your lips to God’s ears.


4 posted on 01/18/2014 5:13:24 PM PST by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What?

Al Kibar?

Sorry. I thought Israel had attacked El Kabong. I wuz gonna say ...

5 posted on 01/18/2014 5:13:37 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das is nicht richtig nur falsch. Das ist nicht einmal falsch.)
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To: 353FMG

The NSA is monitoring barber shops on Israeli military bases very closely just to have a heads up...


6 posted on 01/18/2014 5:14:46 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das is nicht richtig nur falsch. Das ist nicht einmal falsch.)
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To: F15Eagle

I hope you are right but right now I am not sure.


7 posted on 01/18/2014 5:16:52 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

They are saying “Peace” and “Security” a lot lately. A lot!


8 posted on 01/18/2014 5:23:11 PM PST by Dogbert41 (Up yours NSA !)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If the ragheads in Iran drop, or attempt to drop a nuke on Israel, Israel will retaliate massively, from land air and sea. Iran will be a memory.


9 posted on 01/18/2014 5:27:32 PM PST by Signalman
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To: Dogbert41

The fact that the USA is refusing Israels request for our bunker buster bombs and planes to deliver them while at the same time giving Iran 8 billion dollars and the ability to continuing enrichment tells you someone in Washington has decided Israel is expendable.

No question about it.


10 posted on 01/18/2014 5:30:21 PM PST by Zenjitsuman (New Boss Nancy Pelosi)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I for one will not be surprised if Israel strikes
first, they have to, the time they didn’t almost
cost them the war.


11 posted on 01/18/2014 5:31:45 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Dogbert41; 353FMG; 444Flyer; Diana in Wisconsin; svcw; Esther Ruth; GiovannaNicoletta; ...

~~~They are saying “Peace” and “Security” a lot lately. A lot!~~~

Those this video doesn’t show all of them using it. Several ‘world leaders’ using ‘Peace and Security’ here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9xivoAv8-U

English Standard Version - When THEY SAY ‘Peace and Security’

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Thessalonians%205:1-4&version=ESV

1 Thessalonians 5:1-4

English Standard Version (ESV)
The Day of the Lord

5:1 Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you.
2 For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.
3 While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
4 But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief.


Same video basically - Ban Ki-Moon is around the 1:05 and 1:57 marks (approx)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpJbAE6BmHo


12 posted on 01/18/2014 5:33:35 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Dogbert41

The fact that the USA is refusing Israels request for our bunker buster bombs and planes to deliver them while at the same time giving Iran 8 billion dollars and the ability to continuing enrichment tells you someone in Washington has decided Israel is expendable.

No question about it.


13 posted on 01/18/2014 5:35:21 PM PST by Zenjitsuman (New Boss Nancy Pelosi)
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To: F15Eagle

Bump for after church tomorrow.


14 posted on 01/18/2014 5:37:25 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

USA Is Iran’s Great Satan number one target. Yet O protects and now finances the iranis islamoNazi nuke bomb and ICBM factories. No other president, no American president of either party would ever have done anything like this to the USA. Pray for America.


15 posted on 01/18/2014 5:38:05 PM PST by faithhopecharity (C)
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To: Zenjitsuman
Of course the left believes that Israel is expendable. They are convinced that if Israel would just be annihilated that muslims will be pacified to the point that they will no longer be a threat to us.

Typical logic of cowards.

It may seem simple, but more often than not in life the simplest answer tends to be the correct one.

16 posted on 01/18/2014 5:43:11 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Zenjitsuman
...someone in Washington has decided Israel is expendable.

If that is true (and it well may be), "someone" ought to consulted the Bible.

17 posted on 01/18/2014 5:53:20 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats--the party of Evil. Republicans--the party of Stupid.)
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To: faithhopecharity

Valerie Jarrett was born in Iran.


18 posted on 01/18/2014 6:07:33 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

she may wish to give her nice family a beautiful overseas vacation?


19 posted on 01/18/2014 6:28:16 PM PST by faithhopecharity (C)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
the harder Secretary of State Kerry presses Israel to make an agreement with Mahmoud Abbas, the more likely it becomes that Israel will strike Iran.

Actually, I see the reverse. The more the US gives way to Iran and Israel's other enemies, the more certain they are to believe they can attack successfully. Appeasing Iran guarantees Iran will eventually strike. Appeasing Fatah guarantees they will continue to attack Israel.

A peace agreement that is not rooted in a genuine desire for peace on the part of Israel's enemies is a guarantee of war. It will happen and sooner than later. If there were any desire at all for peace, no agreement would be necessary, everyone would just go about their business. Almost by definition any peace agreement is going to be phony because if you need one at all, its not going to be real. And a phony one is a tripwire for war.

Just keep pushing. She'll blow.

20 posted on 01/18/2014 6:38:45 PM PST by marron
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Someone tell Jarrett to get some flowers ordered. LOL


21 posted on 01/18/2014 6:40:49 PM PST by healy61
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To: F15Eagle

O God, Do Not Keep Silence

A Song. A Psalm of Asaph.

83 O God, do not keep silence;
do not hold your peace or be still, O God!
2 For behold, your enemies make an uproar;
those who hate you have raised their heads.
3 They lay crafty plans against your people;
they consult together against your treasured ones.
4 They say, “Come, let us wipe them out as a nation;
let the name of Israel be remembered no more!”
5 For they conspire with one accord;
against you they make a covenant—
6 the tents of Edom and other Ishmaelites,
Moab and the Hagrites,
7 Gebal and Ammon and Amalek,
Philistia with the inhabitants of Tyre;
8 Asshur also has joined them;
they are the strong arm of the children of Lot. Selah
9 Do to them as you did to Midian,
as to Sisera and Jabin at the river Kishon,
10 who were destroyed at En-dor,
who became dung for the ground.
11 Make their nobles like Oreb and Zeeb,
all their princes like Zebah and Zalmunna,
12 who said, “Let us take possession for ourselves
of the pastures of God.”
13 O my God, make them like whirling dust,1
like chaff before the wind.
14 As fire consumes the forest,
as the flame sets the mountains ablaze,
15 so may you pursue them with your tempest
and terrify them with your hurricane!
16 Fill their faces with shame,
that they may seek your name, O Lord.
17 Let them be put to shame and dismayed forever;
let them perish in disgrace,
18 that they may know that you alone,
whose name is the Lord,
are the Most High over all the earth.


22 posted on 01/18/2014 6:42:02 PM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: yarddog

Israel does not exist through her political or military might. Despite being the eight hundred pound nuclear gorilla of the middle east her resources are not even close to enough to have brought about or maintain her existence.

She will not fall until God permits it, and at that time any of us who are alive will be completely preoccupied with our own survival.


23 posted on 01/18/2014 6:49:58 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Zenjitsuman

When, not if but when, they strike it will be sudden and devistating. It will be many pronged attack, rockets from subs, aircraft, stand off weapons, even commandos on the ground. It will all be over in 18 hours. They will be ready with a second strike if anything is missed. This summer is my guess—June? or July? That is my guess.


24 posted on 01/18/2014 7:25:31 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Zenjitsuman

>>The fact that the USA is refusing Israels request for our bunker buster bombs and planes to deliver them while at the same time giving Iran 8 billion dollars and the ability to continuing enrichment tells you someone in Washington has decided Israel is expendable.

No question about it.<<

And yet the Jews are ever so calmly discussing what Israel will do. Why in the Sam Hell aren’t all of you marching on Washington? Do you expect the Christians to stand up for you when you won’t even get off your ass?


25 posted on 01/18/2014 7:26:32 PM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

You are correct, IMO.


26 posted on 01/18/2014 7:34:46 PM PST by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yes, having bunker buster bombs would make it easier to guarantee total destruction of some of Iran's highly fortified nuclear reactors buried deep in the mountains.

Do you supposed nucs could be considered bunker buster bombs?

27 posted on 01/18/2014 7:42:36 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Veteran, 70-71)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Israel will not hesitate to surprise American policymakers and military experts....

or the crew of the Liberty


28 posted on 01/18/2014 7:43:12 PM PST by PatHimself
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Blood Moons are coming soon.


29 posted on 01/18/2014 8:11:27 PM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Zenjitsuman
The fact that the USA is refusing Israels request for our bunker buster bombs and planes to deliver them while at the same time giving Iran 8 billion dollars and the ability to continuing enrichment tells you someone in Washington has decided Israel is expendable.

Israel has a lot of discarded Soviet artillery tubes to make bunker busters with, they'll figure a way to deliver them to where they are needed.

30 posted on 01/18/2014 8:16:25 PM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: tet68

Nothing will cost them a war, God has his plan in place for that country.


31 posted on 01/19/2014 4:22:38 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Israel will not hesitate to surprise American policymakers and military experts. The last time this happened was not 1967, or 1976's Entebbe. It was September 6, 2007, when Israel destroyed the Syrian plutonium reactor... American military experts had thought this was improbable, and some said – impossible. In September, 2012, the Center for Strategic and International Studies reported that "Israel does not have the capability to carry out preventive strikes that could do more than delay Iran's efforts for a year or two.” Former CIA Director Michael Hayden was even more pessimistic, saying that airstrikes capable of seriously hurting Iran's nuclear program are beyond Israel's capacity. Nothing is beyond Israel's capacity. That has been the lesson of Israel's existence since its inception.
The keys to success are developing contingencies and drill,drill,drilling for the mission. The IAF carried out the first contingency in the 1967 Six Day War, destroying more than 90% of enemy air forces on the ground and cratering the runways to eliminate takeoffs of anything missed during the first sorties. They literally overflow Egyptian positions in the Sinai multiple times a day until they got their timing down exactly. Reportedly the Egyptian commanders on the ground took to setting their watches by the overflights. Then, kaboom. I'd be surprised if the IAF strikes the nuke facilities directly, at least as the first step. And that is all I'll speculate. Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.
32 posted on 01/19/2014 5:30:03 AM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The presumption and examples in the article point to air power. The facts point elsewhere.

It seems to me that based on various predictions in say 2009, the Iranian efforts have already been delayed by several years. The precise delay is unknown. The delay was not accomplished by aircraft delivered bombs, but by severe action on the ground at disbursed locations.

Scientists were exterminated. The centrifuge controls were destroyed. Under ground facilities in at lest two locations were exploded.

These are what is known. We don’t know what else is unknown. What we know is that Iran still doesn’t have a bomb.


33 posted on 01/19/2014 5:43:55 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: F15Eagle

They are surely setting up the physiological mindset for the time aren’t they.


34 posted on 01/19/2014 5:50:03 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: fella; F15Eagle; metmom; ExTexasRedhead
The Blood Moons are coming soon.

Indeed, they are. The first one is in April of this year - Passover.

Passover begins 14 April and ends on 22 April.

Pray for Israel.

35 posted on 01/19/2014 8:08:35 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: bert

Well said.


36 posted on 01/19/2014 8:25:16 AM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Trying to figure out what Israel will or will not do is similar to contemplating your navel. All these blurbs of “ISRAEL SHOULD DO THIS” or “ISRAEL SHOULD DO THAT” is a complete waste of time. With Israel’s ability to spy on everybody, they probably know ahead of time, when another country will attack them. Now, will Israel allow their country to be attacked? DON’T THINK SO.


37 posted on 01/19/2014 8:34:42 AM PST by gingerbread
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To: F15Eagle

Israel stands alone in the world. Except for the prayers of the faithful. But the LORD has not forgotten Zion. He also will deal with Her enemies. And Iran will only get a far as they are destined.


38 posted on 01/19/2014 9:49:34 AM PST by 444Flyer (How long O LORD?)
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To: CynicalBear

I think it’s rather obvious they have all agreed this is how they’ll ‘sell’ this thing to the masses and Israel.


39 posted on 01/19/2014 10:36:48 AM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Nothing is beyond Israel's capacity. That has been the lesson of Israel's existence since its inception. Also, no surprise is out of Israel's reach, nor should it be. Yes, having bunker buster bombs would make it easier to guarantee total destruction of some of Iran's highly fortified nuclear reactors buried deep in the mountains.

There are NO VICTIMS in Israel...

None.

It's a country of fighters.

If Iran tries to shove Israelis into a dangerous corner Israel will come out fighting. Iran will be blown to kingdom come..

40 posted on 01/19/2014 11:52:53 AM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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