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HB744 Forces Gay Agenda on Hawaii Churches
Hawaii Free Press ^ | January 17, 2014 | Hawaii Family Advocates

Posted on 01/18/2014 11:01:01 PM PST by kaehurowing

HB744 will prevent discrimination on the basis “race, religion or sexual orientation” in any “…activity receiving state or county financial assistance or utilizing state or county facilities.”

Activities that constitute discrimination include: exclusion “from participation in, be(ing) denied the benefits of, or be(ing) subjected to discrimination”.

Using this broad language, any church or religious organization holding services at a state or county facility (such as a public school cafeteria or auditorium) could not deny services or benefits associated with their organization. This could include participation in services, membership to the religious organization or even the sanctioning of a same-sex marriage.

Any religious organization not in compliance with HB744 would be subject to an “action”. Due to the vague language, the arbiter of this action would be the Hawaii Civil Rights Commission whose actions continue to erode religious freedoms. Any choice between a person’s religious beliefs and a place to worship is no choice at all.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; religiousfreedom
Many churches in Hawaii have to meet in public schools or auditoriums on Sundays, due to high real estate prices making finding sites for sanctuaries difficult of impossible. This would force such churches to conduct same-sex marriages, hire homosexual pastors, etc.
1 posted on 01/18/2014 11:01:02 PM PST by kaehurowing
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To: kaehurowing

>> This would force such churches to conduct same-sex marriages, hire homosexual pastors, etc.

A shitmus test of sorts.


2 posted on 01/18/2014 11:02:36 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: kaehurowing
Perfect!...the choom c*^%$# sucker is fixing his past...*G*
3 posted on 01/18/2014 11:16:05 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: Gene Eric; Chode

“hire homosexual pastors”

How many churches like this have closed because I have lost count.


4 posted on 01/18/2014 11:19:07 PM PST by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: kaehurowing
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5 posted on 01/18/2014 11:42:12 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: kaehurowing; All

As mentioned in related cases in NM and OR, the states have amended the Constitution to expressly protect religious expression, but not so-called gay rights. So NM, OR, and now HI are examples of states who have violated Section 1 of the 14th Amendment, imo, by making laws which go too far in abridiging a constitutionally enumerated right.

Sadly, the reason that Christians are victims of these misguided state laws is because Christian parents evidently haven’t been making sure that their children are taught how the Constitution protects their rights.


6 posted on 01/18/2014 11:48:26 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: kaehurowing

Save


7 posted on 01/18/2014 11:59:27 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: kaehurowing

how to turn back the pink tide?


8 posted on 01/19/2014 12:45:33 AM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: Gene Eric
". . . hire homosexual pastors, etc." The Catholic Church found out what it was like to have queers in their ranks. Sin has the effect of twisting ones thinking so they will choose to do something even when they know the bad consequences. And, they will encourage the same mindlessness with others. They will work to suppress the truth that their bad actions will create; and drag as many others into their perversions with them. God has created what is the natural state of mankind’s existence. We call it Natural Law. We have a full attack on Natural Law by bullies with legal teams to tear down God’s design for mankind. Natural Law is the basis of our Constitution. That tells me that there are evil forces working to destroy our Constitution and are using man’s sinful nature like a battering ram to do so. The morality that has come from our Judeo-Christian legacy over two thousand years ago, is being rooted out of our culture by a small group who get their thrills paying expensive lawyers to attack Christians. It has become common knowledge by these groups that, with enough money, you can use the legal system to do anything you want.
9 posted on 01/19/2014 12:56:42 AM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Gene Eric
". . . hire homosexual pastors, etc."

The Catholic Church found out what it was like to have queers in their ranks. Sin has the effect of twisting ones thinking so they will choose to do something even when they know the bad consequences. And, they will encourage the same mindlessness with others. They will work to suppress the truth that their bad actions will create; and drag as many others into their perversions with them.

God has created what is the natural state of mankind’s existence. We call it Natural Law. We have a full attack on Natural Law by bullies with legal teams to tear down God’s design for mankind. Natural Law is the basis of our Constitution. That tells me that there are evil forces working to destroy our Constitution and are using man’s sinful nature like a battering ram to do so.

The morality that has come from our Judeo-Christian legacy over two thousand years ago, is being rooted out of our culture by a small group who get their thrills paying expensive lawyers to attack Christians. It has become common knowledge by these groups that, with enough money, you can use the legal system to do anything you want.

10 posted on 01/19/2014 12:57:19 AM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: kaehurowing

Everything that is not completely cordoned off from public view or is even tangentially associated with the public is now a “public accommodation” that the sodomites can wield with full authority. This is by design.


11 posted on 01/19/2014 2:03:14 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: jonrick46

Thank you for the insightful reply.

>> bullies with legal teams to tear down God’s design for mankind

The God-fearing man fears no other. And while our journey is fraught with the vacuous nature of Hell, we are God’s children, and we are designed to prevail.


12 posted on 01/19/2014 2:08:07 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric

“We ought to obey God rather than men” Acts 5:29 As I would put it in Hawaii I will NOT comply.


13 posted on 01/19/2014 3:57:40 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: kaehurowing

While the current standards would be using public property, we can all see the camel’s nose that would lead to ‘tax benefits’ and the current exemption for religious activities. This is, IMHO, an ultimate goal of the organized Atheists and the organized LGBT(whatever) movements.

To the modern progressive leftist, the goal is that no one should have any risk of being offended by anything that is not leftist approved. Naked gay parades are good and show tolerance, TEA Party assemblages are bad because they demonstrate intolerance, obviously!


14 posted on 01/19/2014 4:28:02 AM PST by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: kaehurowing

You can coexist with open homosexuality as well as you can co-exist with Islam - that is, not at all.


15 posted on 01/19/2014 5:03:35 AM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: ZULU

The iRS will start yanking the tax-exempt status of any church not allowing homosexual “marriages.”

That’s the plan.


16 posted on 01/19/2014 5:06:01 AM PST by TigerClaws
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To: kaehurowing

Nothin’ like the First Amendment. Oh, wait, you want RELIGIOUS freedom? Screw that. You must celebrate sodomy.


17 posted on 01/19/2014 5:06:41 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

I have said it and it sounds funny although it is actually very scary how far this has gone in the past decade or two. It is not all right to ignore it, lord forbid you speak against it. You must openly accept and embrace sodomy and that is downright unbelievable


18 posted on 01/19/2014 5:23:27 AM PST by winodog
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To: TigerClaws

IRS needs to be put out of business. Replace them with a flat sales tax.


19 posted on 01/19/2014 5:50:22 AM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: Morgana
rent a storefront...
20 posted on 01/19/2014 6:17:26 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: kaehurowing
This would force such churches

No, this would force churches to go back to the "house church" concept. It (the church) needs to abandon its current corporate, big business model, anyway.

1 Cor 16:19: "Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house."

21 posted on 01/19/2014 6:42:25 AM PST by LouAvul (In a state of disbelief as to how liberals destroyed America in a mere 40 years.)
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To: Amendment10

Here is the FIRST SENTENCE OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT. This law is illegal since it violates the second part of the first sentence.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF;

I have already listed in another thread this morning, many Bible passages proving my point. To force this abomination onto churches is to force these churches away from freely exercising their religion.


22 posted on 01/19/2014 6:46:54 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: winodog

Sodom and Gomorrah. Didn’t turn out too nifty for the inhabitants thereof.


23 posted on 01/19/2014 9:45:27 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: LibLieSlayer; All
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF;

Noting that our Bill of Rights protections originally did not apply to the states, Congress has NOT made a law prohibiting the free exercise of religion. So Congress has NOT violated the 1st Amendment with this issue.

On the other hand, the 14th Amendment was made in part to apply Bill of Rights protections to the states, the states now obligated to respect enumerated constitutional rights. And based on the clear languange of Section 1 of the 14th Amendment, the state of Hawaii has gone too far, imo, with respect to making a gay tolerance law which reasonably abridges the Constituton's 1st Amendment protection of religious expression.

24 posted on 01/19/2014 11:29:48 AM PST by Amendment10
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To: Amendment10

Some American states will not comply.


25 posted on 01/19/2014 12:15:47 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: LouAvul

In Hawaii you cannot have house churches because it violates the zoning code.


26 posted on 01/20/2014 12:22:30 AM PST by kaehurowing
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To: kaehurowing
My wife and I have been worshipping, by ourselves, in our home, on Sunday mornings, for several years. Our service/devotion includes: studying the Bible as the divinely inspired word of God (as our only source of word and doctrine), singing A Cappella (which means, "in the way of the church"), taking communion, and prayer.

They cannot outlaw that. And if I opt to have a few friends over for visit on Sunday, they cannot outlaw that.

The problem is that contemporary "Christians" are so wedded to the corporate/business model of "worship" and "Chrisianity", that they are unable to function without some highly paid/poorly paid religious professional/synod/wahtever telling them what they have to believe or practice.

Get away from ritual. "Call no man father", etc. Find out what God wants from and for, you!

That's what freedom of religion guarantees. They can't outlaw that.

27 posted on 01/20/2014 4:00:34 AM PST by LouAvul (In a state of disbelief as to how liberals destroyed America in a mere 40 years.)
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