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Tea Party hatches quiet-but-insane plot against democracy: Meet the “12 Percent Solution”
Salon ^ | January 16, 2014 | Paul Rosenberg

Posted on 01/19/2014 7:29:48 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Edited on 01/19/2014 7:46:49 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

What if there were a fourth branch of government that would allow the fans of “Duck Dynasty” to overturn Roe v. Wade, repeal Obamacare and pretty much nullify any federal law or Supreme Court decision they don’t like, based on the support of as little as 12 percent of the nation’s population? And what if that fourth branch already existed in the American constitutional order, just waiting to be properly realized?


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; demagogicparty; memebuilding; obamacare; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; paulrosenberg; salon; teaparty
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Wasn't that photo at the link of Confederate re-enactors subtle? And I guess Paul has never read that the founding fathers abhorred democracy, likening it to mob rule.
1 posted on 01/19/2014 7:29:48 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Stopping the murder of unborn human beings is “insane”?

God, please have mercy on people of good will.


2 posted on 01/19/2014 7:31:19 AM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

based on the support of as little as 12 percent of the nation’s population?

You mean sorta like foisting homosexual agenda items on a public who despises that agenda?

You mean like overturning state laws and constitutional amendments?

Yeah that would suck....

Idiot.


3 posted on 01/19/2014 7:35:29 AM PST by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Im getting a strange response from salon.com

403 Forbidden

nginx


4 posted on 01/19/2014 7:35:45 AM PST by MeshugeMikey (This Message NOT Approved By The N.S.A.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thank God we are a constitutional republic. Salon’s idea of “democracy” is mob rule by “Occupy” buttholes.


5 posted on 01/19/2014 7:36:15 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
and a columnist for Al Jazeera

All I needed to know.

6 posted on 01/19/2014 7:38:54 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Looks like it’s shifting us over to their 2014 index or something for whatever reason.

http://www.salon.com/2014/01/16/the_right%e2%80%99s_quiet_but_insane_plot_against_democracy_the_12_solution/


7 posted on 01/19/2014 7:39:50 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Of course, nullification is unconstitutional. The text of Article VI is crystal clear: This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

Laws that are unconstitutional or that contravene constitutional rights are not the supreme law of the land so therefore they can be nullified by the States.

8 posted on 01/19/2014 7:41:59 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I see Karl Rove and the GOPe are starting to get their message about the evil Tea party out.
9 posted on 01/19/2014 7:42:23 AM PST by Tupelo (I am feeling more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The author seems strangely attached to the 6th Amendment without think about the meaning of the 9th & 10th.


10 posted on 01/19/2014 7:44:37 AM PST by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

what does the confederate army re-enactment have to DO with the cruz of the article? oh thats right White People ....Guns, Bibles

Thank you!


11 posted on 01/19/2014 7:44:39 AM PST by MeshugeMikey (This Message NOT Approved By The N.S.A.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Another leftist scare tactic!


12 posted on 01/19/2014 7:46:06 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Left is running scared. Everything they do is unconstitutional. Perish the thought that the people, at the grass roots level, would like to re-boot our constitutional republic.
We are going to have a successful article 5 movement, or we will have CW2. I think the effete metrosexuals at salon should prefer the former. They have their magazine, and we have our magazines.


13 posted on 01/19/2014 7:47:39 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: P-Marlowe

http://dirtyhippies.org/2011/03/09/taxing-the-poor-to-balance-the-budget-in-georgia/

his personal website

DIrty Hippies....DOT org!

what a guy


14 posted on 01/19/2014 7:48:11 AM PST by MeshugeMikey (This Message NOT Approved By The N.S.A.)
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To: Tupelo

LOL! You forgot to add “extremist, right wing(?), radical, redneck, moonshine swillin’, racist, homophobic, anti-islamist, right to life, Duck Dynasty watchin’, gun lovin’, Teabaggin’” evil Tea Party.


15 posted on 01/19/2014 7:49:20 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: All
‘...While his ideas may be too radical to succeed, Clarkson warns, “The amendment’s very radical nature could generate an inflammatory debate that makes other competing proposals seem moderate by comparison, even though there is nothing moderate about them.” ...’


Isn't this Standard Operating Procedure for the lefties?

16 posted on 01/19/2014 7:49:38 AM PST by az_gila
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Yes. The fact that he says nullification is unconstitutional proves that he’s a lying SOB.


17 posted on 01/19/2014 7:50:03 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Projecting much?

18 posted on 01/19/2014 7:52:02 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thirty states equals 12% of the population?


19 posted on 01/19/2014 7:54:02 AM PST by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There is a fourth branch, it is legislation and forced compliance with no recourse to traditional courts via agencies such as EPA, FDA, IRS, etc.


20 posted on 01/19/2014 7:55:25 AM PST by rey
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sounds like the Chamber of Commerce and Business Roundtable is funding Salon


21 posted on 01/19/2014 7:55:40 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Amnesty And Not Ending ObamaCare Will Kill GOP In 2014)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That is just silly the TP has never been quite about their intentions.


22 posted on 01/19/2014 7:55:52 AM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Does this guy really believe that the government Obama and his ‘RATS have given us is a democracy? If he does he must be living in Washington state or Colorado or making a lot of trips there.


23 posted on 01/19/2014 7:56:17 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Where are Holder's "po folks" getting the I.D.s to sign up for ObamaCare?)
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To: icwhatudo

The question we all need to be asking of abortion lovers at every opportunity:

When are liberals going to admit that their goal is to decimate the birth rates of minorities?


24 posted on 01/19/2014 7:56:33 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What if there were a fourth branch of government...

Oh, c'mon, Mr. Rosenberg, even liberals believe the media (at least the large portion that is liberal) are the fourth part of government, helping to elect Dems and push the liberal agenda.

Please don't insult us by pretending otherwise.

25 posted on 01/19/2014 7:57:43 AM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: MeshugeMikey
It's for the best... The Slate and Salon have nothing of any value to bring to your life. They may as well mirror to this.
26 posted on 01/19/2014 7:58:41 AM PST by Rodamala
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When Obumbles claims he has the right to make laws by himself, where is Salon then? No wringing of hands and wetting of panties when the Left tells us how we are to live, is there? From what time we get up (government time zones), to the amount of water in our toilets, to how much of our paychecks we can keep for our families’ needs, everything is regulated by the power grabbers in Washington. And we are supposed to fear the grannies in the TEA Party???


27 posted on 01/19/2014 8:07:16 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Tea Party is taking a lot of flak. This is good news; must be over the target.


28 posted on 01/19/2014 8:08:13 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto
Laws that are unconstitutional or that contravene constitutional rights are not the supreme law of the land so therefore they can be nullified by the States.

Military personnel are bound to ignore unlawful orders. Nullification is the same principle writ large. States are morally bound not to follow unconstitutional laws.

29 posted on 01/19/2014 8:08:32 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: Vaquero
Thank God we are a constitutional republic. Salon’s idea of “democracy” is mob rule by “Occupy” buttholes.

My first thought as well. I'm far more interested in preserving individual liberty than some quaint, nebulous notion of democracy.
30 posted on 01/19/2014 8:13:45 AM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Rodamala
WOW that was SPECIAL!




31 posted on 01/19/2014 8:16:18 AM PST by MeshugeMikey (This Message NOT Approved By The N.S.A.)
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To: Vaquero
Here's a little something for your Sunday morning enjoyment. And a warning to the butt-pluggers over at Salon:

Life During Wartime

Heard of a van that is loaded with weapons,
Packed up and ready to go
Heard of some gravesites, out by the highway,
A place where nobody knows
The sound of gunfire, off in the distance,
I'm getting used to it now
Lived in a brownstore, lived in the ghetto,
I've lived all over this town
This ain't no party, this ain't no disco,
This ain't no fooling around
No time for dancing, or lovey dovey,
I ain't got time for that now

32 posted on 01/19/2014 8:25:47 AM PST by Noumenon (Resistance. Restoration. Retribution.)
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To: Rodamala
Or this one ... it is more relaxing...:
ZOMBO COM
33 posted on 01/19/2014 8:28:18 AM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

If the President, who is sworn to execute the laws faithfully, can nullify a law, at least conditionally, so can a state. The States are, by the way, the actual fourth branch of the federal government.


34 posted on 01/19/2014 8:30:48 AM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: icwhatudo

Consider the source. Salon=Soviet era Pravda.


35 posted on 01/19/2014 8:35:52 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Noumenon

“There is water at the bottom of the ocean”
“Same as it ever was”

Which side do you think David Byrne is on? Seems lefty to me.


36 posted on 01/19/2014 8:36:19 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Salon is a communist news source. The fact that they’re worried is a good sign.


37 posted on 01/19/2014 8:38:40 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
...and pretty much nullify any federal law or Supreme Court decision they don’t like, based on the support of as little as 12 percent of the nation’s population?

It's outrageous to think that 12% of the population (i.e millions of people) could dare to think their wishes and needs outweigh the arbitrary rulings of 9 individuals.

38 posted on 01/19/2014 8:45:29 AM PST by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
you and i seem to be cut from the same bolt of cloth... and it's red, white and blue. great article for FReeper fodder.

if you think about it, what else would you expect from "Salon?" what an immoral pile of oxygen-wasters.

39 posted on 01/19/2014 8:48:45 AM PST by alcatrash (ipsos, baby. ipsos.)
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To: Vaquero

Nothing says we can’t use their own memes and themes against them.


40 posted on 01/19/2014 8:49:07 AM PST by Noumenon (Resistance. Restoration. Retribution.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What a weird article.


41 posted on 01/19/2014 8:49:24 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: Excellence
Thirty states equals 12% of the population?

Half of the population of the smallest 30 states is 12.1%.

42 posted on 01/19/2014 9:12:12 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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To: Jacquerie; Baynative

Article V ping.


43 posted on 01/19/2014 9:37:40 AM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: pepsi_junkie
It's outrageous to think that 12% of the population (i.e millions of people) could dare to think their wishes and needs outweigh the arbitrary rulings of 9 individuals.

Often it is based upon one individual.

44 posted on 01/19/2014 9:43:50 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bamtha a: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Vaquero
"Salon’s idea of “democracy” is mob rule by “Occupy” buttholes."

They could make a cartoon comedy based on the females and males in the Obama administration. They could call it "Beavers and Buttholes."

45 posted on 01/19/2014 9:56:19 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
... Kacprowicz ....“Obamacare right now has at least 26 states who have already filed lawsuits ..... he continued. .... We need four more states and Obamacare is history. And so that’s the kind of power that this has in this sovereignty amendment.”

What makes DemoCratCare history if 4 more states fight it? Repeal?? by what mechanism?..and whats the diff btw this method and the new fix he is proposing?

46 posted on 01/19/2014 9:58:26 AM PST by urtax$@work (The only kind of memorial is a Burning memorial !)
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To: Vaquero

If you look at the words of our founders, they very much saw the people as a 4th branch of government in a whole range of situations.

A jury could simply ignore the law and the constitution in the specific case they were judging. Actually its still that way today but the supreme court ruled to hide it in 1895 with a ruling that jurors need not be informed of their rights.


47 posted on 01/19/2014 9:59:51 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why did we fight the War of 1861, when slaves ony represented 12.7 % of the population?


48 posted on 01/19/2014 10:54:40 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bamtha a: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

You have a minor virus. Look it up, there’s several sites that can help you clean it up.


49 posted on 01/19/2014 10:57:58 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Publius; Resolute Conservative; VerySadAmerican; Nuc 1.1; MamaTexan; Political Junkie Too; jeffc; ..

Roger that.

Article V Ping!


50 posted on 01/19/2014 3:04:48 PM PST by Jacquerie (Article V.)
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