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Taxpayers doling out too much dough to control deer, critics charge.
FoxNews.com ^ | January 18, 2014 | By Joshua Rhett Miller

Posted on 01/19/2014 7:46:14 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie

From New York to California, local governments are spending taxpayer dollars to sterilize female deer, but critics say the approach is a misguided, ineffective and “incredibly expensive” approach to thinning out the herds that has become a suburban scourge.

While some communities have used lethal means to curb the exploding population of deer, which roam backyards, destroy gardens and wander into traffic, others have taken what they see as a more humane approach — tranquilizing female deer and removing their ovaries.

Average costs are about $1,200 per deer, according to a 2011 report by the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation that did not recommend such programs.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: taxandspend; wildlife
They could easily cull the herds with a net income of $200 a pop by selling hunting tags but;

Noooo!!

1 posted on 01/19/2014 7:46:14 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Collectivists never choose the simple obvious solution. It’s too simple and obvious, and relies on independently thinking people.


2 posted on 01/19/2014 7:48:09 AM PST by lurk
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

How about shooting the does with a bullet or arrow, butchering it, and eating the meat?


3 posted on 01/19/2014 7:49:08 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
Cutting out the ovaries??...that's stupid....Given that she can only produce one fawn a year....

Why not cut off the bucks oo's since he can impregnate many. And I'm sure it's cheaper.

Then again....imagine stocking our local food centers with fresh deer kill.

Oh...common sense...sorry

4 posted on 01/19/2014 7:51:02 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

On average a .308 Schirroco bullet cost only $1.35 and will put food on the table.


5 posted on 01/19/2014 7:54:15 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Sacajaweau

One China policy? /s

LOL


6 posted on 01/19/2014 7:54:57 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Wow, someone actually thinks it’s better to sterilize them than to kill them, butcher them, and feed people.


7 posted on 01/19/2014 7:55:02 AM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
Years ago a similar program to use birth control on coyotes was proposed in South Dakota. At a meeting with wildlife officials one old rancher commented the problem was the coyotes were eating his calves not screwing them.
8 posted on 01/19/2014 7:57:22 AM PST by The Great RJ
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

If only old ranchers were in charge of our government! Urban dwellers aren’t fit to run the country because they have no common sense when it comes to the realities of dealing with nature, both animal and human.


9 posted on 01/19/2014 8:01:39 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Sacajaweau

Just think how lucky the buck who doesn’t get treated will feel. Like a kid in a candy store. I’d love to be the last man standing. I’d be very busy.


10 posted on 01/19/2014 8:03:51 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Our outer-city neighborhood is surrounded on all sides by major highways with small pockets of wooded areas. We also have deer roaming the hood. If you discount the fact they occasionally treat our flowers and bushes as a Quincy’s salad bar, and their scent gives our dog something to sniff at...I don’t mind them being around. They’re kind of majestic, and a good reminder of “nature”. If we were growing our own food, I’m sure it would be a different story. I also can’t help but feel like, one day... they may be supper.


11 posted on 01/19/2014 8:06:41 AM PST by moovova
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

I saw a PBS show on this the other day — we now have 40 million deer in a country that used to only have 1 million.

The herds should be culled 20 times atleast for everyone’s sake.


12 posted on 01/19/2014 8:06:46 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Vendome

A .22 to the noggin will also work.


13 posted on 01/19/2014 8:07:54 AM PST by Sawdring
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To: The Great RJ

“Years ago a similar program to use birth control on coyotes was proposed in South Dakota. At a meeting with wildlife officials one old rancher commented the problem was the coyotes were eating his calves not screwing them.”

LOL!


14 posted on 01/19/2014 8:09:58 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Several years ago I read of a deer removal company that would sign a contract (quietly so as not to upset the old ladies)with a city.

Then, after dark they would quietly come in with silenced low velocity, high caliber rifles and with infrared optical sights, and eliminate the deer.

They loaded the deer in their truck with butchering facilities on board and then take the processed deer to a local homeless shelter.

And the little old ladies in town never found out why all those deer decided not to come around anymore.


15 posted on 01/19/2014 8:11:10 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: moovova

You get those kinds of numbers, you get ticks and fleas carrying disease. Way to many of them. The doo-gooders will create a problem similar to those in the forests that forbid clearing the undergrowth causing super heated fires.


16 posted on 01/19/2014 8:12:18 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Well, they are sure spending time and money taking care of this basically suburban ‘problem’.
Same ‘problem’ exists in urban areas with two legged animals overriding the land and becoming nuisances and pests..

Like the sign at the National Parks warns...
Don’t feed the animals as they get dependent on you and eventually won’t fend for themselves.

The National Park Service has the ‘right’ idea

Too bad HHS doesn’t have the same policy when it comes to food stamps, welfare, and all the other CRUTCH policies we use to keep the population in tow.

SO NPS, if it ‘works’ for HHS, try feeding the wild life and building them shelters and pick their food for them.


17 posted on 01/19/2014 8:19:23 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 --Because you have your head up your arse doesn't mean you have to have a crappy outlook.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Heck we got packs of mountain coydogs running around at midnight that cull the deer herd real nicely. ++Plus it keeps the coydogs away from the barns.


18 posted on 01/19/2014 8:25:42 AM PST by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: bunkerhill7

I don’t know why they won’t relocate some of the dog packs running wild in Detroit. What could go wrong?


19 posted on 01/19/2014 8:32:33 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

We’ve got a goose problem in our town (actually outside of the town where they can be culled daily) and I suggested selling permits to hunt them. They are NOT migratory birds, according to the Feds because they never leave. If you visit this lake in summer, you slip, fall on the goose shit and it stinks to high heaven. A**holes feed them and they’ll chase any human for popcorn, bread, Doritos or whatever. The reason the County people don’t want to sell permits? “People might get upset seeing these birds get shot.” But they’ll charge us to dredge the lake to get the goose poop out. Somebody needs to get some balls.


20 posted on 01/19/2014 8:44:52 AM PST by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Average cost of one round of ammo 50 cents. :-)


21 posted on 01/19/2014 8:58:46 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
The population of deer around here ("here" being the town of Weddington, Union County, NC) is exploding. The situation is ideal for a continued increase in the deer population, and perhaps less ideal (depending on your opinion of deer) for humans. The natural habitat, human modifications thereto, and laws written by humans are all contributing factors.

I'm in the exurbs of Charlotte. There are substantial areas of dense woods, providing cover for deer, where they sleep, breed, and bear and protect their young.

But dense woods alone aren't enough, because little food grows under a forest canopy. So deer are drawn to the edges of woodlands, where young, edible growth takes place, or, better yet as far as the deer are concerned, there are crops or azaleas (yum) landed by humans. Of course, these forest edges explain why there are so many unfortunate deer-vehicle interactions: the Department of Transportation cuts a swath through the woods for the construction of a new highway, and in so doing creates more forest "edges" where food grows convenient to hiding areas.

And then, there are creeks and ponds -- a plethora of then hereabouts. Water is necessary for them, obviously, and the creek beds become deer highways, for escaping harm, or moving on to another food source.

On top of that, I live in an incorporated town which prohibits hunting. I am convinced that the deer have figured this out. There has been some talk of permitting bow hunting, but nothing has come of it. Weddington is a town in name only (TINO?); with the exception of one small retail center, it's a combination of large-lot (1 to 3 acres) residential, and open, as yet undeveloped, land, some of which is farmed, and some of which just sits there looking pretty.

So, we have deer. A lot of them. It is not uncommon to see a half-dozen or more wandering through my neighborhood -- most often seen at dawn or dusk, but sometimes in broad daylight (see my home page for a pic of a doe I took from inside my house).

I rather like having the deer around, but then I don't tend to worry about them eating my hydrangeas. I actually planted "deer mix" over my septic field, and it seems to be popular.

22 posted on 01/19/2014 9:02:42 AM PST by southernnorthcarolina ("The power to tax is the power to destroy." -- Chief Justice John Marshall, 1819)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

These guys can help. They are my neighbors.

https://www.facebook.com/colorcountryoutfitters?filter=1


23 posted on 01/19/2014 9:04:55 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

The old bull on the hill story...


24 posted on 01/19/2014 9:09:52 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

I live in the country, not a ‘burb-but if there is a bad/dry year and the game count shows too many deer, you can get extra doe tags. Over-population is a bad thing, resulting in sickly animals that spread disease, and culling staves it off. This nonsense of sterilizing deer might make the townies feel good, but it is not sensible or natural. They ranch deer in some parts of Europe-but not here, because of the dollars made by the big hunting concerns-really dumb...

Venison is an all-natural, healthy food-much better than store-bought feed lot beef, which has high levels of hormones, antibiotics, fat and God-knows-what-else. I buy local grass-fed beef, but I hunt for my own venison when I have the opportunity, and prefer the taste.

Coyotes and resident mountain lions do a good job of making dinner of the sick and inferior deer out here, but I suppose in the ‘burbs the presence of lots of high fences and the absence of predators precludes natural selection.

Game fencing is cheap enough, and keeps deer out of my food garden and other places they don’t need to go into...


25 posted on 01/19/2014 9:12:34 AM PST by Texan5 (" You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Utah Binger
She lives across the highway from us.


26 posted on 01/19/2014 9:14:12 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

Some people here are fond of placing pretty pots of geraniums on their decks and patios, in yards fenced with chainlink, as if they were still in a city. The deer just walk over that fence, eat every geranium down to the roots, knock over the pots and walk down to the river to drink water and find another yard with geraniums...


27 posted on 01/19/2014 9:24:03 AM PST by Texan5 (" You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Never thought about the disease aspect.


28 posted on 01/19/2014 9:25:24 AM PST by moovova
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To: Sawdring

Yeah, I think it’s more humane to use the appropriate ammo.


29 posted on 01/19/2014 9:32:43 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Sacajaweau
Why not cut off the bucks oo's since he can impregnate many. And I'm sure it's cheaper.

Plus it would probably help fatten them up for the hunters.

30 posted on 01/19/2014 9:36:21 AM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: moovova

“I also can’t help but feel like, one day... they may be supper.”

One day, you will come home from work and She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed will tell you the #$%^@)*(P&* that ate her prize rose is awaiting skinning out in the rose garden.


31 posted on 01/19/2014 9:59:36 AM PST by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: Starstruck

I had deer steak yesterday. Awesome...


32 posted on 01/19/2014 10:05:42 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Vendome

I would rather see a .22 used in a neighborhood than a .308.


33 posted on 01/19/2014 10:28:43 AM PST by Sawdring
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

It’s gotten so bad that we even tell them where to cross the roads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


34 posted on 01/19/2014 10:33:53 AM PST by bandleader
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To: GladesGuru

I’ll be tasked with both the bagging and skinning, BUT, it will have originated as an order from She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed.


35 posted on 01/19/2014 10:49:26 AM PST by moovova
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
Any state really wanting to wipe out the deer population, should just bring in a dozen or so Canadian Gray wolves. In a few years, those dozen wolves will number in the thousands, and deer will be damn near non-existent. That's one guaranteed way ensure there's not a single deer alive...or any other ungulate or bear, for that matter. Livestock, pets, and maybe even kids after that.

Hell, we're well on our way to that here in Idaho.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

36 posted on 01/19/2014 10:53:22 AM PST by wku man (We are the 53%! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUXN0GDuLN4)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

My old city wasted a fortune trying to put the geese that plagued the parks on birth control. When sanity set in and they hired some one to start shooting them and donating them to the homeless shelter the libs went berserk.


37 posted on 01/19/2014 10:58:46 AM PST by Organic Panic
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To: Organic Panic

We had a pond that would attract ducks every year. One year someone put an Alligator Snapping Turtle in the pond.

When mother duck would swim along with the new babies in tow all of a sudden a baby would disappear under water never to be seen again. One by one.

One guy fished the turtle out after a few years but the ducks never came back.


38 posted on 01/19/2014 11:14:14 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Good! Revenues that won’t go into the personal accounts of the crooks! Don’t feed the animals by buying revenue-generating hunting tags and paying the other high-priced, associated fees. And remember that the big hunting tourism states are socialist states (except maybe Wyoming).


39 posted on 01/19/2014 1:26:59 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

I’ll bet the local game warden lost more than a few nights sleep trying to determine who was poaching them ducks.


40 posted on 01/19/2014 1:45:01 PM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: B4Ranch

All Liberals should be neutered. They are over breeding and causing too many problems in this country. Its suspected they have a wasted brain disease which spread could cause the whole country to go down. Please don’t feed these animals but teach them to forage which may alleviate their disorder somewhat.


41 posted on 01/19/2014 4:13:33 PM PST by oldasrocks (They should lock all of you up and only let out us properly medicated people.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
"Bambi" scene from "My Cousin Vinnie"

Imagine you're a deer. You're prancing along, you get thirsty, you spot a little brook, you put your little deer lips down to the cool clear water... BAM! A f***in' bullet rips off part of your head!

Buh bye, Bambi! *snort*

:wq
42 posted on 01/20/2014 3:17:51 AM PST by Peet (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: Peet

Imagine driving down a highway, a deer jumps in front of your car causing it to crash through your windshield and an antler impales the face of your 5 year old child.


43 posted on 01/20/2014 8:41:57 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Iowa Granny; Ladysmith; Diana in Wisconsin; JLO; sergeantdave; damncat; phantomworker; joesnuffy; ..
If you’d like to be on or off this Outdoors/Rural/wildlife/hunting/hiking/backpacking/National Parks/animals list please FR mail me. And ping me is you see articles of interest.

Soon they'll require landowners to pay for birth control in liberal states. Wonder what a deer abortion costs? The important thing is that you don't allow bowhunters in urban areas.

Related, NY Town spends $2,984 per deer in sterilization program

44 posted on 02/02/2014 10:07:18 AM PST by SJackson (the Democrats take back control, we don’t make (this) kind of naked power grab, J Biden)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
How about shooting the does with a bullet or arrow, butchering it, and eating the meat?

While we got tons of deer where I live, here in suburbia that really isn't an option, even if you're confined to using shotgun slugs.....

The pockets of wooded areas are surrounded by houses, highways and residential streets but contain lots of deer which are constantly being nailed by cars.....

Heck, on the south entrance to my sub, there is a wooded area about two tenths of a mile square. On the south side of it there is an eight lane highway. On the west side of it is a hospital and condo complex. On the east side of it is another condo complex and of course mine on the north side.

There are at least 5 deer in there, a family of fox and a roaming coyote.........There have been deer in that small wooded pocket for as long as I've lived here and I've seen the occasional dead carcass on the highway......

45 posted on 02/02/2014 10:33:11 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (I think I've lost my mojo.....)
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To: Sacajaweau

“Given that she can only produce one fawn a year..”

They can have as many as four, but three is common and twins are the rule for adult does.

Doe fawns will breed at just over 6 months old and have a single fawn the next spring.


46 posted on 02/02/2014 10:42:38 AM PST by Beagle8U (Unions are Affirmative Action for Slackers! .)
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To: SJackson
We have a birth control program in my town in East Central NH. Go to the town hall buy a deer license, wake up early on the first day of deer season.

Cross the road to a stand that you have scouted out, shoot deer and dress out. Hang and butcher.

47 posted on 02/02/2014 10:54:04 AM PST by Little Bill
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To: Beagle8U

The point really is that a male may be breed with 20 females...so using your stats, cutting off his 00’s would be even more successful in cutting down the population.


48 posted on 02/02/2014 1:29:03 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

That 6 month old buck fawn will also breed the does.

The bottom line is that it is next to impossible to control a wild deer population with birth control methods.

A buck will travel for miles in search of hot does, and a park full of hot does would attract a bunch of them!


49 posted on 02/02/2014 1:39:44 PM PST by Beagle8U (Unions are Affirmative Action for Slackers! .)
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To: oldasrocks
"All Liberals should be neutered. They are over breeding and causing too many problems in this country."

Well said.
I would only add...."...causing too many problems in the world"

50 posted on 02/02/2014 7:33:23 PM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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