Skip to comments.25 Fuel Efficient Cars That Are Not Hybrids
Posted on 01/19/2014 7:58:40 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Are you thinking about buying a new fuel efficient car but are wary of hybrid technology? Fear not! There are dozens of cars on the market today that deliver great fuel economy without resorting to heavy and expensive battery packs. While most of these vehicles are designed to run on petroleum products (either conventional gasoline or diesel fuel), the Ford Focus SFE is a FlexFuel vehicle that can run on 100% domestic E85 ethanol fuel as well as conventional unleaded gasoline.
2014 Ford Focus five-door E85 holds a significant price advantage over regular unleaded gas in some parts of the country. It comes as no surprise that the top of the list is dominated by Volkswagen TDI models, as clean diesels are renown for their excellent highway MPGs. While this list is primarily 2013 models, weve included the remarkable 2014 Chevy Cruze Diesel
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I recently got assigned a Ford Focus as a rental car, and I was amazed at what a good car it was. I have never had a rental car I liked as well. I could see it was getting great mileage too.
That's kinda an understatement; I have a 1983 Oldsmobile, Diesel, that gets about 38 MPG highway — and this is a big, heavy car we're talking about.
I have no doubt that (1) adding a turbocharger, (2) dropping the transmission and drive-shaft, in favor of a hydraulic [infinitely-variable-]transmission/power-train would increase it even further.
From the undated and unattributed article “The 25 Highest MPG Non-Hybrids of 2013”:
Audi A3 TDI
Chevy Cruze Diesel
Chevy Cruze Eco
Dodge Dart Aero
Ford Fiesta SFE
Ford Focus SFE
Honda Civic HF
Mini Cooper Coupe
Mini Cooper Hardtop
VW Beetle TDI
VW Beetle Convertible TDI
VW Golf TDI
VW Jetta Sportwagen TDI
VW Jetta TDI
VW Passat TDI
Don’t have to settle for Mickey Mouse cars either!
Lexus has nice ES hybrid that gets 40 mpg, RX and GS hybrids that get into that 30+ mpg range.
The Mercedes E25o diesel crosses 40+mpg with ease and can go a bladder-busting 900+ miles between fill-ups.
My Toyota Corolla averages 38 mpg. If I keep the speed below 60 mph, I average about 42 mpg.
While by KIA Serento was in the body shop for a repair for a rear fender, I rented a Ford Escape. It was a piece of crap. It is fully loaded and I would never buy one.
I guess we are in for another run of diesel automobiles. And same as the last time back in the mid 80s, we are going see the price of diesel fuel go up. Since this will raise the fuel costs for the trucking industry, we will see another round of inflation. Inflation that Washington will deny. AGAIN. Then we will see another round of complaints about diesel engines being dirty, inefficient and unreliable, brought on by the American people’s ignorance of the diesel engine. Then Washington in their ever so smarter than us mode will come up with “New Standards” for diesel engines and price them out of this market once again. Actually I did not know that GM had a automobile powered with a diesel engine. I cannot help but wonder if it is a true diesel or a giesel like the old Oldsmobile ‘diesel’.
Giesel = A gasoline powered engine converted to run on diesel
The current BMW 335d is impressive, too. MPG numbers rivaling those of a VW tdi.
And the new 328d diesel gets into that 40+ mpg too.
No, none of the diesels today are re-engineered gasoline engines, to my knowledge. I drive a 1984 Mercedes 300D turbo diesel sedan that I bought ten years ago for $100 and I get 25-30 mpg. The car weighs over 1 1/2 tons and is a tank. It’s a 5 cylinder, inline.
I believe the engine in the Cruze is one that GM of Europe has been using in Opels and Vauxhalls for several years. Pity it’s in such a crappy car.
Look at all those TDI’s on that list.
The implication here is that diesel-powered cars will have to be substantially more fuel-efficient than their gasoline-powered counterparts in order to make it worthwhile for motorists to buy them.
Comparing mpg of diesel engined cars to gasoline is not valid. Diesel is denser, and it takes more crude oil to make a gallon of diesel than a gallon of gasoline.
Note also that the list of vehicles with “low greenhouse gas” ratings are mostly *not* flex-fuel. That’s tacit admission by the EPA that higher levels of ethanol in gasoline blends are not beneficial.
Fleet average mileage mandates results in auto companies increasing the price of bigger, safer, lower mileage cars to reduce the numbers sold, and their impact on the fleet average. This means that the poorer car owners will have to buy more dangerous cars. If a wealthy upper class person and a lower middle class person meet head on, the rich guy wins. This is the way it usually is in nature, but I’m surprised the feds encourage it.
Solution: Buy used 4-10 year old luxury cars for much less money.
The EPA does not want diesel powered passenger vehicles in the US, period, and it has nothing to do with emissions. The diesels used throughout the world today are nothing like the big three cobbled together engines of the 70’s and 80’s. If allowing for gains in thermal and volumetric efficiency of current engine designs, combined with body, chassis, and powertrain improvements, 60 MPG gas and 80 MPG diesel mid sized vehicles should have been on the market around the late 90’s. That isn’t going to happen though, because of the influence of the oil, auto, and enviroment lobbies. I worked in the auto industry for two decades, and amongst the engineers and technicians was a collective WTF are the these people thinking? it has nothing to do with fuel economy or emissions, and everything to do with extracting as much money as possible from consumers.
Forget fuel efficient cars, where are the fuel efficient “TRUCKS”? In my business I Drive in excess of 80K miles a year and I would see these savings. So far, NO major breakthrough has been made by any of the automotive manufactures for fuel efficient trucks or Hybrid trucks. Years ago VW produced a diesel truck that got above 40 mpg. HELLO any body listing?
I’ll stick with my Honda CRV.
I have a 2 year old ford focus. They are great at first, then they start falling apart. I’ll be trading it for another Hyundai this year. I didn’t have nearly as many problems with those.
E85 (85% ethanol) fuel only has about 65% of the energy content per unit volume as compared to 100% gasoline. Even less when compared to diesel.
That’s why E85 is a loser. It may cost less, but the MPG will drop significantly.
It also helps to explain why vehicles seldom seem to match the factory test MPG (which is done with 100% gasoline).
The EPA is full of lawyers, not engineers. That’s why we get idiotic (and often contradictory) regulations from it.
F150 supposed to be aluminum body end of this year.
Too bad it’s going to be full of spyware.
Compared to the MPG we were getting with her old car...
We actually pay less than $150.00 a month for it...
Another reason why diesel fuel will require a long time to adopt is that the refineries in the United States are optimized for the production of gasoline, not diesel. It will take decades to rebuild refineries that are optimized for the production of diesel - if the environmentalists even allow it. European refineries, on the other hand, are optimized for the production of diesel.
What are the effects to the end user of that factor?
What is available at 6K or less, cash?
Ram (formerly Dodge) trucks have a 300hp V-6 full size 1500 that gets 26 mpg right now, IIRC.
The whole notion of “mileage” is ridiculous as soon as we begin talking about non-gasoline fuels. “Mileage” only makes sense if we use gasoline as the standard fuel. The only metrics that make sense are cents per mile or perhaps cents per passenger-mile or freight-mile.
I just have to laugh when the ads say electric vehicles get “over 100 mpg.” My big Expedition could get 1,000 mpg using these silly standards if I installed some massive batteries and auxiliary motors.
There’s still a 25% tax on imported trucks. As long as people buy higher-profit big ones, there will be no more small ones.
The smaller VW Amarok pickup with a small diesel is sold over most of the world.
See my #13. Also, look in Craigslist, Cars.com, Autotrader.com and similar. I’m seeing a lot of mid-2000’s Chrysler/Dodge mid-sizes (LHS, 300M, Concorde, etc. which I intend for my next car once I sell the Mercedes) from $1,300 to $2,500.
To me if you can afford a 40 grand rig, why would you worry about gasoline cost unless you were a road warrior?
E85 is a great low buck racing fuel (assuming you have the compression and tuning to take advantage of the high octane) but as you say for the on road consumer it’s a loser.
tricky words. My Tahoe is very efficient.
Yes, it consumes more fuel - but it simply does more with that fuel.
Compared to my Mustang V6, lets say on the highway. I get 19 with the Tahoe, 29 with the Mustang. The mustang is a bit more fun, but the Tahoe is carrying the troops, dual airconditioners, radios and gear. Not to mention whoever I put in it - with no effect on it’s mileage. When I did this sort of thing with my Honda Civic hatchback (1991.. I LOVED that car) it would go from 40 mpg to 28 mpg and barely kept up with traffic.
All things being equal 19 MPG is certainly less than 40mpg - But things aren’t equal. My vehicles do more than a modern econo car.
The only reason these topics come up is because liberals have brainwashed people into thinking their cars are terrible gas hogs and are killing the environment and we are running out of gas.
Very interested in his economics.
He claims to underprice most motorcycles of similar powertrain with an actual car.
When the USA mandated ultra low sulfur (15ppm) the refining cost went up quite a bit.
But fear not, the EPA is mandating ultra low sulfur gasoline (10ppm) for 2017 so the price of gasoline will go up equivalently.
Thanks. I am looking for a 2dr coupe in order to have a back seat area to stow my folding WC. A three door hatchback would do ...
I own a 2009 Focus and average 37MPG. Not bad!
Most people would in fact be much better off with a $10-15k used car that got less mpg.
That’s the electric/hybrid/diesel problem exactly. Miles really have to pile up fast to make them worth the extra cost.
Upscale vehicles bring better technology that quickly makes it way downscale. And who doesn’t like a little more personality in their drive?
That’s the Tesla scam; hope that the extra money brings the overall technology cost down. It’s just never seemed to work that way with electrics, but the results with internal combustion and overall drivability have been spectacular.
I saw a VW truck last week. I thought they had all turned to rust. It was parked, so I don’t know if it was running.
Many V6 engine problems.
However the local contingent of illegals seem to have developed (based on conversations @ Pick A Part) specific skills in rebuilding these.
So know what you're getting into.
> the Ford Focus SFE is a FlexFuel vehicle that can run on 100% domestic E85 ethanol fuel as well as conventional unleaded gasoline.
A coworker has one of these. E85 is a buck cheaper at the pump, but the fuel economy is a bit lower. He gets about 35 to the gallon, not bad, better than my 2004, but not like a hybrid. Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.
I too spend sometime in auto and support, for a bit. I was told in the late 70's and the Diesel Rabbit showing up in the Michigan Marketplace, Diesel prices missttterriousllly went up quite a bit... Hmmm what a cowinkadink...
BTW IMHO Smart money is on CNG.
Do some research on the recent DOE type project, of going the next step with our current CNG infrastructure, i.e. natural gas to our homes. A low-cost low pressure pump and a normally shaped tank that holds 30% more than it is supposed too via nano-tech and other lung type internal absorbent materials @ a lower pressure is the goal. If they do it IMHO it is a game changer...