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Pitfalls of Immigration Reform (GOP Amnesty Summit starts 1/29 at luxury MD resort!)
National Review ^ | 1/20/14 | Fred Bauer

Posted on 01/20/2014 6:09:43 AM PST by jimbo123

The GOP must steer clear of guest-worker programs and legalization without citizenship.

Two of the basic rules of democratic politics are: Don’t hurt your allies, and don’t give your electoral opponents a weapon to use against you. As House Republican leaders prepare to announce their immigration principles near the end of this month, they should be aware of both rules. Two policies they are considering endorsing — legalization without citizenship and a massive increase in guest-worker visas — could sabotage the GOP’s standing with its base while also closing off future electoral roads.

Legalization without citizenship would split the base and offer few political dividends with the center. The driving force behind many Republicans’ skepticism about an immigration deal is not a fear that illegal immigrants will be granted citizenship; it is a worry that legalization will be traded for empty promises of enforcement. Legalization without citizenship, then, may be too clever by half: It sounds like an equitable splitting of the difference, but it misses the real point of concern for many Americans.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; amnestyretreat; amnestysummit; chamberofamnesty; chamberofcommerce; gopamnestysummit129; johnboehner; permanentratmajority
Call your GOP rep this week in advance of their Amnesty Summit in Maryland and tell them to tell Boehner, Rover and the Chamber of Commerce: NO AMNESTY! NO 3X INCREASE in H1B VISAS!
1 posted on 01/20/2014 6:09:43 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

Wednesday, January 8, 2014, 9:52 AM EST
Sen. Jerry Moran (R-Kan.) has introduced an amendment to the unemployment extension bill currently being considered in the Senate that would add up to 50,000 new green cards per year with no offsets….


2 posted on 01/20/2014 6:18:14 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: jimbo123
The federal judiciary will re-write ANY "reasonable" immigration law passed by the Republicans. Judges will deem any illegals paying taxes as FULL CITIZENS WITH VOTING RIGHTS on the basis of "taxation without representation".

Also, Obama WILL NOT enforce any provision of the law he thinks is "unfair".

How stupid can they be?

3 posted on 01/20/2014 6:23:22 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: jimbo123

All during this push for Amnesty politicians have promised “strict enforcement” in some new law, yet each and every day they undermine existing law. Today, yesterday, the day before, and tomorrow, they will not enforce existing law. How can anyone have any confidence in some promised “strict enforcement” in the future?

Politicians have no credibility whatsoever.

Confidence building measures are required.

1) End enticements: no tuition discounts, no driver licenses, etc.
2) Enforce existing law: deport illegals on contact with police

These things must be done to build any confidence that any future law will be enforced.

Until enticements are ended and existing law is enforced any talk of “immigration reform” is DOA.


4 posted on 01/20/2014 6:27:01 AM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Boner is the biggest idiot the GOP has ever fielded as Speaker.



5 posted on 01/20/2014 6:27:16 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Cheerio

Interesting that the LA times did this.. Lou Dobbs reported this on CNN and it cost him his job. The only network we would see this on would be FOX.. All the others are staying away from it. Whether you are a Democrat or Republican this should be of great interest to you!

Just One State - be sure and read the last part..

This is only one State.................If this doesn’t open eyes, nothing will!

From the L. A. Times
1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

7... The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

8 Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.

10. In L.. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.. (There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County .)

(All 10 of the above facts were published in the Los Angeles Times)

Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the United States ‘ annual population growth(and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York ) results from immigration. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens .

We are fools for letting this continue .

This is only one State...............If this doesn’t open your eyes nothing will, and you wonder why Nancy Pelosi wants them to become voters!


6 posted on 01/20/2014 6:35:02 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: SoFloFreeper

>> How stupid can they be?

Stupidity would produce random outcomes.

There is no randomness. When their actions pursue invariably the same Object it evinces a design of absolute Despotism.

They are not stupid, they are accomplices. “Fellow travelers”

The Uniparty (Dems and RINOs) is opposed to the interests of the United States and The People.


7 posted on 01/20/2014 6:35:33 AM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: jimbo123

With all my heart, I wish I still thought it would make a difference....

I appreciate your trying......

I guess I am in a funk


8 posted on 01/20/2014 6:54:03 AM PST by Guenevere
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To: Don Corleone

Immigration from Mexico is 2.5 times that of Europe. You read that right: Immigration from one country, Mexico, is 2.5 times that of many countries combined.

I've taken the figures from the above table at cis.org and graphed them.

Note the sharp increase in immigration from Mexico and how that differs from all other regions' increase. Note also the sharp decline in immigration from Europe while all other regions have increased.


Roughly 63% of illegals are Mexican.

“As of March 2010, 11.2 million unauthorized immigrants were living in the United States”

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2011/02/01/unauthorized-immigrant-population-brnational-and-state-trends-2010/

Then see Figure 2 at http://www.pewhispanic.org/2011/02/01/ii-current-estimates-and-trends/

Do the math.

Our immigration policy must serve our needs, our ability to absorb, and immigrants' ability to assimilate. Creating large sub-societies serves no good purpose.

Our security can not be conditioned upon the demands of unassimilated immigrants or illegally present foreigners.

9 posted on 01/20/2014 6:58:26 AM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: jimbo123
RE :”Two policies they are considering endorsing — legalization without citizenship and a massive increase in guest-worker visas — could sabotage the GOP’s standing with its base while also closing off future electoral roads.”

These two don't sound like they would endear GOP to many (or any) Hispanics, but I am still curious what the Dems reaction would be to that.

BTW : my house member is Cummings and Senators are Mukulski and Cardin, so there is no point calling them.

10 posted on 01/20/2014 6:59:41 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: sickoflibs

You could call and ask Cummings how Amnesty will provide jobs for his numerous African American constituents who have been pulverized by the Obama Economy.


11 posted on 01/20/2014 7:08:09 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123
RE :”You could call and ask Cummings how Amnesty will provide jobs for his numerous African American constituents who have been pulverized by the Obama Economy.”

Its a thought. My experience with these calls is you never get anyone who admits to knowing anything, its always 'I will pass on the message'. So with someone like Cummings you know he wants more unemployment.

Of course you were probably the first to know that O Malley started giving illegals drivers licenses and in state tuition discount rates.

12 posted on 01/20/2014 7:13:11 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: jimbo123

Look, serious talk here. This is what I think is actually going on:

The leaders of the United States, all of them, know that the show stops soon. The US will start defaulting and collapsing, like the Soviet Union did... and for many of the same reasons!

So, when those in power see these hard facts, when the globalist cabal says to them, “We will make you rich if you do our bidding,” they think, “Well why not? It’s not like America will be around much longer anyways.”

Thus, comes Amnesty.


13 posted on 01/20/2014 7:14:15 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

Amnesty and Citizenship for Barbarians killed Rome, too.


14 posted on 01/20/2014 7:16:41 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

Actually a much better approach is to call Dems like Cummings and demand that they reject any bill without full US citizenship and the vote, and add fixing the VRA too so the don’t have to show voter IDs.(just to pile on)

In other words hit them from the left.

calling them with Republican arguments is like talking to a busy signal.

I know you wont hear that on talk radio or from many here.


15 posted on 01/20/2014 7:17:10 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: jimbo123

Well, this experience seems to differ. We spent ourselves into collapse. Now that the die is cast, the current leadership have their yachts and planes at the ready, and their unmarked, secret Swiss bank accounts filled.

They can vote any way they want now. They don’t care, they won’t have to answer for it.

Not in THIS life, anyways.


16 posted on 01/20/2014 7:22:49 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: sickoflibs
Actually a much better approach is to call Dems like Cummings and demand that they reject any bill without full US citizenship and the vote, and add fixing the VRA too so the don’t have to show voter IDs.(just to pile on)

BRILLIANT!!!!!

My congressman is a whacko moonbat leftist!!!! BRILLIANT!!!!

On today's to-do list.

17 posted on 01/20/2014 7:30:06 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: jimbo123

Why do we have to pay for that? A military guy is allowed a certain amount for travel. 5 star? No

Insurance reimbursements for car rental., am I going to get a range rover? Or a limo with a driver? No

These guys ought to feel sleazy a d ashamed. We know they’re not paying out of pocket

They think they’re royalty. Dems know. THEY’RE royalty.

And they are attempting to legislate on amnesty as if we are subjects of theirs instead of what we really are; their employers

Republican politicians try to play amoral dictator like dems. But it never works. Dem voters will always support the democrat amoral (relativist) dictator over the republican one.
And there are not enough relativist republican supporters to keep these dopes in office, certainly not in the majority

Conservatives will not change their minds about the constitution. They are not going to forget about it, not any sooner than is a liberal going to give up keeping guys in power who support their desire for getting stuff, giving our stuff away to the needy and the pretend needy, and who allow them license to live an amoral life openly.

The only difference between them really, beside direction, is that the latter group has representation and, being amoral, they’ll get representation any way they can

But republicans are so stupid for trying to a t like Clinton and for pretending conservatives are irrelevant.

And staying at a luxury resort to hammer out a nation destroying legislation built on lies, deceit and ulterior motives is not representing conservatives


18 posted on 01/20/2014 7:32:24 AM PST by stanne
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To: Lazamataz

Rome spent itself into collapse, too. And the Roman ruling elites gave citizenship to the Barbarians in hopes of taxing them to pay for out of control spending. History repeats itself.


19 posted on 01/20/2014 7:32:55 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

It’s not so much that history repeats but that human nature doesn’t change.


20 posted on 01/20/2014 7:35:40 AM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: Lazamataz; jimbo123
RE :”BRILLIANT!!!!! My congressman is a whacko moonbat leftist!!!! BRILLIANT!!!!”

You can also use Jimbos idea with this.

Point out how this will just increase the inequality gap by pitting more workers at the bottom against each other, and they don't even get a vote to vote for minimum wage or paid sick leave. Tell them its sellout to greedy corporations (See?? It can be fun too!)

If you start talking conservative to real libs they tune out fast.

21 posted on 01/20/2014 7:36:07 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: jimbo123

Ok, point well-made.


22 posted on 01/20/2014 7:36:08 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Ray76


Emperor Caracalla (who gave citizenship to the Barbarians which lead to the downfall of Rome)
23 posted on 01/20/2014 7:56:31 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: Ray76; Lazamataz; All

Constitutio Antoniniana

The Constitutio Antoniniana (Latin: “Constitution [or Edict] of Antoninus”) (also called the Edict of Caracalla or the Antonine Constitution) was an edict issued in 212,[1] by the Roman Emperor Caracalla declaring that all free men in the Roman Empire were to be given theoretical Roman citizenship and that all free women in the Empire were to be given the same rights as Roman women.

According to Cassius Dio, the only Roman historian to talk about this edict, and with only one sentence, the reasons Caracalla passed this law were mainly to increase the number of people available to tax. In the words of Cassius Dio: “This was the reason why he made all the people in his empire Roman citizens; nominally he was honouring them, but his real purpose was to increase his revenues by this means, inasmuch as aliens did not have to pay most of these taxes.”[2] It should, however, be noted that Cassius Dio generally saw Caracalla as a bad, contemptible emperor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutio_Antoniniana


24 posted on 01/20/2014 7:59:50 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: Lazamataz

Well they might have to answer for it if they are still in the country when the SHTF.


25 posted on 01/20/2014 8:03:38 AM PST by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: jimbo123

“In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” - Jefferson


26 posted on 01/20/2014 8:55:30 AM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: jimbo123

can anybody show up at this summit? do you need ID to get in? ....all of the ironic possibilities...


27 posted on 01/20/2014 8:58:28 AM PST by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: Ray76; Don Corleone

Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the United States ‘ annual population growth(and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York ) results from immigration. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens .

Immigration from Mexico is 2.5 times that of Europe. You read that right: Immigration from one country, Mexico, is 2.5 times that of many countries combined.

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Facts that need to be repeated, emailed, etc. - to friends, family and to Reps in DC!

28 posted on 01/20/2014 9:06:37 AM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: BookmanTheJanitor

http://www.chesapeakebay.hyatt.com/


29 posted on 01/20/2014 9:19:54 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: Cheerio

Bonehead is not an idiot.
Johnny is the Utterly corrupt K Street Frontman ever to hold that position.
This Evil Crony Capitalist Bagman has lined his pockets along with stooge Ryan , Cantor, McCarthy, Issa, Gowdy ( yes , a huge Amnesty shill), .
They held phony IRS and Benghazi hearing that lead to nothing but hid there backdoor meeting with Billionaires and LaRaza ! This crowd deserves to be thrown in the cold Potomac.


30 posted on 01/20/2014 10:18:07 AM PST by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: Guenevere

well get angry and fired up


31 posted on 01/20/2014 10:20:44 AM PST by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: jimbo123

so I guess they won’t mind if people illegally show up and camp at the hotel and expect other people to pay for them... (snark)


32 posted on 01/20/2014 10:25:46 AM PST by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: ncalburt

Oh I will!


33 posted on 01/20/2014 10:43:15 AM PST by Guenevere
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